News: Now this is how you handle malcontents who don’t honor the contract they signed

[waldoputty]

You are making a national holiday political?

Is it not then political to wish vets a happy Veterans Day? Or to honor those lost in service to the nation on Memorial Day? Heck, we sometimes have pinned threads for those holidays.

after u just wrote "Supporting the players over the owners is not political. "

go ahead and pursue ur political agenda.

and continue ur support of star players over average players who has a 3.3 to 6 year career. many earn near the minimum as low as 480k.

 

[Bullflop]

The way fans side with teams on this issue instead of the players is so, so backwards.

It's a two-way street. Players wages escalated beyond the borders of reality ages ago. It time for that to change. They're spoiled.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No. Support the workers. Many of whom will be physically damaged for the rest of their lives once they aren't useful to the team anymore. Support them in making the maximum amount they can in their short careers. They will soon be discarded by the team.

They should be mercenaries. No one has their backs after the league is done with them.

Literally, today of all days you choose to argue against the workers. On a national holiday that honors them.

People can choose any vocation they like, but they can't get paid what they get paid in the NFL, in just any vocation. They don't have to decide to choose a vocation that might leave them, as you say, physically damaged for the rest of their lives. They can go ahead and pick another but they don't do that. Why do you think that is? Anybody who spends one day on a practice field knows that Football is not a nice sport and it's going to hurt. The higher you go, the more you know that Football is going to take something out of you. If you play long enough, Football is going to get it's pound of flesh. Every player knows that so if somebody consciously chooses to pursue that line of work, then they are making a choice and that choice is there's. They don't have to make it, they can go elsewhere to do something else. Do you believe that Andrew Luck should have given back the signing bonus that he received from the Colts? Same question for Romo, do you think that they should give that money back?

Bottom line, the team owes the fan base, not the players, in terms of the product. The team should always work towards what is best for the team, not the players because the players will be gone but not the team. The team provides the entertainment that we pay for. Players perform but the team is ultimately responsible for the actual product. We pay for a service, the teams owe us a good product and that's how it works. If a performer signs to do a concert tour and tickets are sold for any given concert, ticket holders have the right to expect an artist to give a good performance. If the performer gives a broken performance or just plain doesn't show up, ticket holders have the right to demand their money back. Promoters absolutely have the right to hire, not hire or demand compensatory damages for such performances and why? Because they are responsible for a product. They owe the fans. It is only logical to support the team and not the player. Supporting the player gives the fan no leverage around the product. Supporting the team or not supporting the team gives the fan the most leverage, in terms of the product, as a fan.

 

[DanA]

You are making a national holiday political?

Is it not then political to wish vets a happy Veterans Day? Or to honor those lost in service to the nation on Memorial Day? Heck, we sometimes have pinned threads for those holidays.

But your stance hurts the worker. How do you get past that? Their are things you can do to help the worker.
1. Raise the salary cap
2. Raise vet/UDFA minimums
3. Educate players to manage money
4. Provide health cover for life for all NFL players

The one thing you don’t want to do is pay the top 1% of NFL talent more. That’s not what the holiday is about.

And isn’t the worker the guy earning 40k a year having to shell out exorbitant costs to watch the NFL? I should feel sorry for a guy turning down 14m a season because he wants 15m?

 

[AbeBeta]

after u just wrote "Supporting the players over the owners is not political. "

go ahead and pursue ur political agenda.

and continue ur support of star players over average players who has a 3.3 to 6 year career. many earn near the minimum as low as 480k.

3.3 to 6 years at minimums ends up at roughly 2 mill to 4.5 mill.

Those numbers continue to rise thanks to union efforts.

You might be laughing but that's more than most people earn in a lifetime

 

[AbeBeta]

But your stance hurts the worker. How do you get past that? Their are things you can do to help the worker.
1. Raise the salary cap
2. Raise vet/UDFA minimums
3. Educate players to manage money
4. Provide health cover for life for all NFL players

The one thing you don’t want to do is pay the top 1% of NFL talent more. That’s not what the holiday is about.

Salary cap, vet minimums, and education have all be happening consistently.

Health care is a larger issue that regrettably goes well beyond the NFL.

Top guys getting big deals moves the needle on lower tier guys. This is exactly how guys like Lamar Miller get 6.5 mill a year

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

3.3 to 6 years at minimums ends up at roughly 2 mill to 4.5 mill.

Those numbers continue to rise thanks to union efforts.

You might be laughing but that's more than most people earn in a lifetime

I don't think he's laughing. I think that this is exactly the point Waldo is trying to make.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't think he's laughing. I think that this is exactly the point Waldo is trying to make.

That players at the bottom rung still get paid well despite others getting giant deals?

 

[ryanbabs]

It's a two-way street. Players wages escalated beyond the borders of reality ages ago. It time for that to change. They're spoiled.

The entire problem is the salary cap. Has nothing to do with greedy owners for the most part.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

The way fans side with teams on this issue instead of the players is so, so backwards.

Yep. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[waldoputty]

3.3 to 6 years at minimums ends up at roughly 2 mill to 4.5 mill.

Those numbers continue to rise thanks to union efforts.

You might be laughing but that's more than most people earn in a lifetime

of course, but u r not answering the obvious.
which is how a star getting 10% of the cap squeezes away any improvement for the typical players.
your political agenda is not even rational or self-consistent

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That players at the bottom rung still get paid well despite others getting giant deals?

I think you are confused. Go read his post again.

 

[DanA]

Salary cap, vet minimums, and education have all be happening consistently.

Health care is a larger issue that regrettably goes well beyond the NFL.

Top guys getting big deals moves the needle on lower tier guys. This is exactly how guys like Lamar Miller get 6.5 mill a year

The only thing that moves the needle is a new CBA. Zeke negotiating a new contract does nothing.

 

[Alweezy]

Suit yourself.

Support the Team is the only logical way to look at this. The team, if run by good ownership, will take care of the players in a reasonable business fashion. If ownership fails to do this, then stop supporting the team. Support the players is crazy because they are essentially mercenaries for the most part. It didn't used to be that way and some of them are still unique but most see it as a business. They will go to whatever team that offers the best deal. I understand this and I have no issue with it, under the circumstances of how the league works. However, it is foolish to take the stance, support the players because they could be gone in a few seasons, playing for a rival that is beating your team. No thanks, that's not the way to be a fan IMO.

You wanna support the players, that's fine with me but that's what you are really supporting, assuming we bought your whole, "This isn't political" shtick.

I think people in general are taking this i only root for the name on the front stuff too far to the point of trolling legitimate fans of either side of this debate. If and when Zeke comes back, those same people will conveniently be the first to welcome him back, high five, and make a post "I'm here to eat crow.." We are literally flooding our board with this Zeke topic to the point that it needs to be addressed. This simply can't go on all season.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Again. The "honor the contract" thing is total garbage.

For example, we signed Hurns to a two year 12 mill deal. We cut him after a year.

Yet no one is crying about how the team didn't honor the contract.

And the Rams signed Gurley to a deal last year that called for 45m in guaranteed money are they allowed to not pay that now that he has an arthritic knee that is going to have to cause issues for the rest of his career? Works both ways

 

[AbeBeta]

The only thing that moves the needle is a new CBA. Zeke negotiating a new contract does nothing.

That's incorrect. Highest paid raid salaries of RBs around the league. Just look at what the Gurley salary did for Zeke

 

[AbeBeta]

And the Rams signed Gurley to a deal last year that called for 45m in guaranteed money are they allowed to not pay that now that he has an arthritic knee that is going to have to cause issues for the rest of his career? Works both ways

How is that working both ways? A massive % of salaries are non-guaranteed

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think people in general are taking this i only root for the name on the front stuff too far to the point of trolling legitimate fans of either side of this debate. If and when Zeke comes back, those same people will conveniently be the first to welcome him back, high five, and make a post "I'm here to eat crow.." We are literally flooding our board with this Zeke topic to the point that it needs to be addressed. This simply can't go on all season.

Conversely, if Zeke comes back in another two years and wants another deal or if Zeke ends up getting hurt this year and costs us, the people who "root for the name" on the back of the Jersey will be the first to jump up and blame the other side for accurately calling out the risks. And I can assure you, there will be no posts about how they are willing to eat crow or high fives or whatever else. It can go on and it might, IDK.

I guess we'll see.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's incorrect. Highest paid raid salaries of RBs around the league. Just look at what the Gurley salary did for Zeke

What exactly has it done? I don't see a contract.

 

[The Natural]

Why is it that __ are so obsessed with "owning" these young men and are so opposed to them looking out for their own best interests, to the point that you side with billionaire owners? Just look at the glee that OP had in creating this thread, I really dont get it.