Who's drafting these terrible dlinemen?

[GimmeTheBall!]

Ok... so who's been in charge of these high round draft failures on the Dline..

Taco

T.Hill

Someone wanted them...who?

Bad picks have Jerry written all over them.

 

[buybuydandavis]

So if Marinelli is to blame for Taco and Hill, is he the guy to thank for Dak, Smith, LVE, Elliott, Gallup, Martin, Collins, Beard, Awuzie, Jones etc...

Marinelli's specialty is coaching the dline.

 

[jnday]

I don’t expect any improvement on the quality of the DL that are being drafted until Marinelli is gone. I think the type of DL that he prefers is outdated, to say the least. 280lb DL that has to face 330 lb offensive linemen every play is setting the whole DL up for failure. Undersized 1techs has hurt this defense for years. Remember the Golden Cock dominating? Of course you don’t, because it never happened. Dallas needs bigger, faster, quicker DLmen in the future. Hill is from Marinelli’s outdated mold as well and I have little hope for him. They need a quick 340lb one tech to start with and they need to build around him and the quality DEs that they have.

 

[OmerV]

I don’t expect any improvement on the quality of the DL that are being drafted until Marinelli is gone. I think the type of DL that he prefers is outdated, to say the least. 280lb DL that has to face 330 lb offensive linemen every play is setting the whole DL up for failure. Undersized 1techs has hurt this defense for years. Remember the Golden Cock dominating? Of course you don’t, because it never happened. Dallas needs bigger, faster, quicker DLmen in the future. Hill is from Marinelli’s outdated mold as well and I have little hope for him. They need a quick 340lb one tech to start with and they need to build around him and the quality DEs that they have.

Tell that to Aaron Donald. The reality is the Cowboys aren't the only team that doesn't have a 340 lb guy in the middle. Woods at 320 and Collins at 308 really aren't the small guys fans treat them as. The team really just needs more talent in the middle of the D-Line.

 

[Alexander]

The entire organization is.

It is not just one guy.

At least today we have the assurance that the Great Will McClay is doing a deep dive into their process.

 

[OmerV]

The entire organization is.

It is not just one guy.

At least today we have the assurance that the Great Will McClay is doing a deep dive into their process.

Exactly. The Cowboys aren't just handing things over to one guy and saying "you make the pick, and we don't care who it is". McClay and his group are involved, the coaches are involved, and the front office is involved. Ultimately whoever the pick is has to be endorsed by Jerry.

 

[Alexander]

Exactly. The Cowboys aren't just handing things over to one guy and saying "you make the pick, and we don't care who it is". McClay and his group are involved, the coaches are involved, and the front office is involved. Ultimately whoever the pick is has to be endorsed by Jerry.

And that is kind of a bizarre practice at times.

There is a lack of accountability in the organization.

A GM on another club may feel he could get fired for a first round bust.

Not Dallas. They all "collectively agree".

It is a great way to deflect criticism because the audience does not know who to throw the tomato at.

 

[Mr_437]

I don’t expect any improvement on the quality of the DL that are being drafted until Marinelli is gone. I think the type of DL that he prefers is outdated, to say the least. 280lb DL that has to face 330 lb offensive linemen every play is setting the whole DL up for failure. Undersized 1techs has hurt this defense for years. Remember the Golden Cock dominating? Of course you don’t, because it never happened. Dallas needs bigger, faster, quicker DLmen in the future. Hill is from Marinelli’s outdated mold as well and I have little hope for him. They need a quick 340lb one tech to start with and they need to build around him and the quality DEs that they have.

I will say, I feel the template and approach to what DL to draft needs to change. For the longest, DWare was the only pass rusher...now DLaw is the only pass rusher.

Anyway, the interior DL is the issue. If there is a position on the field.. it's important, if L.P. is making 1M per year, refusing to draft high or sign good FAs is neglect. After the azz whopping Sean McVay put on the run defense it's arrogant to not add anyone of significance at DT (and I like Covington). Did not change a single starter.

 

[OmerV]

And that is kind of a bizarre practice at times.

There is a lack of accountability in the organization.

A GM on another club may feel he could get fired for a first round bust.

Not Dallas. They all "collectively agree".

It is a great way to deflect criticism because the audience does not know who to throw the tomato at.

I don't really think the process is bizarre, nor do I really think they all "collectively agree". I just think they all have input and are allowed to offer opinions, which I doubt is much different than with other teams.

What is bizarre is just that the GM is the owner, and as such the GM can override all things, if he chooses too, and like you indicated, he doesn't have to fear for his job.

 

[kskboys]

Tell that to Aaron Donald. The reality is the Cowboys aren't the only team that doesn't have a 340 lb guy in the middle. Woods at 320 and Collins at 308 really aren't the small guys fans treat them as. The team really just needs more talent in the middle of the D-Line.

Talent, yes.

And it's not about size, it's about the ability to anchor.

 

[CF74]

 

[Beast_from_East]

Then Dlaw, Collins and Gregory are not good players?

Gregory?

You mean the dude that has been suspended indefinitely because he cant stop getting high?

Yeah, he is a real stud of a draft pick

 

[Beast_from_East]

Is he a good player or not? Did we evaluate him correctly based on his talent?

NO, we didnt evaluate Gregory correctly.

Somebody should have noticed that he cant go a day without lighting up a fatty and getting high as a kite.

Probably would have been good to know that on draft day before pissing away yet another premium draft pick.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's either true or its not that Gregory was evaluated a good player coming out of college and that it is a fact that he is a good player. He not being able to play now has nothing to do with that evaluation of his talent coming out of college.

Doesn't matter how good you are if you spend every Sunday watching the game from your couch because you have been suspended for the 145th time.

Availability is a key component of the evaluation process, that is like basic scouting 101. Why do you think they red tag players on the draft board that are injury risks or have character concerns? Because injuries and suspensions affect.....wait for it......availability!

 

[DandyDon52]

And the same thing was said about Gavin Escobar, and Taco himself.

"Lol" indeed.

It's always a "rush to judgement" when it's critical. And then when those concerns are proven accurate, it's "time to move one, stop dwelling in the past".

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

yeah and a 1st or 2nd rounder should show he can play and make some plays in his rookie season, if they make ,mistakes that is ok.
But overall you should be able to clearly see something good about the way they play.
The other thing is some of these players dont want to brown nose the coaches, but if they dont, they are not going to get much playing time.
That is part of being a RKG.
I imagine taco never got on the good side of garrett or marinelli so there he goes.


But I sort of agree with the op, that as far as DL picks, they never seem to do a good job in that area in the last 8 years. So something
is wrong somewhere.

 

[jnday]

Talent, yes.

And it's not about size, it's about the ability to anchor.

I think everybody will agree that Donald is the exception instead of the rule. It is rare for a man his size to have his talents. The one tech has been a weakness for years and it is time to fix it with a big guy that can clog the middle.

 

[bodi]

it s time to retire

 

[xwalker]

I don’t expect any improvement on the quality of the DL that are being drafted until Marinelli is gone. I think the type of DL that he prefers is outdated, to say the least. 280lb DL that has to face 330 lb offensive linemen every play is setting the whole DL up for failure. Undersized 1techs has hurt this defense for years. Remember the Golden Cock dominating? Of course you don’t, because it never happened. Dallas needs bigger, faster, quicker DLmen in the future. Hill is from Marinelli’s outdated mold as well and I have little hope for him. They need a quick 340lb one tech to start with and they need to build around him and the quality DEs that they have.

Only 1 playoff team this past season had a starting DT over 320 pounds.

The Cowboys DTs:
Woods 318
Collins 311

Back in 2014:
Nick Hayden 295
Crawford 285

Trysten Hill was 308 at the combine. He reportedly was over 320 at some point in college.

Hill played as a 3-4 NT his first 2 college seasons. The Cowboys plan to play him at 3-tech DT.

Years ago they tried getting DEs like Crawford and playing them at 3-tech DT.

Drafting Hill at 308 is a good sign for fans that want bigger DTs.

 

[chagus]

Does this forum ever NOT complain? 2-0 and looking at a very probable 3-0... smh.

So we have an easy schedule first 3 games... complain.

If we had a tough first 3 game schedule... pretty sure you'd complain.

So Taco was a bust... big deal. Move on. They can't all be winners.

Hill is coming along slower than anticipated... big deal. Lets see how he develops. The kid has physical traits and skills. Give him more than 2 games into his rookie year before crowning him a TOTAL bust.

Jeez!

 

[landryscorner]

Some of the best Dlinemen the boys have historically brought in has been from other teams but $$$$$$$$$$$ it's hit or miss in the draft .....lately has been miss except for a few gems/.