When was the last time Zeke made a defender miss?

[QuincyCarterEra]

Watch it Quincy, your bias is showing.

Just take the L and down

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Wrong, they (including Elliott) got completely manhandled.

WRONG!
The injuries to our OL have nothing to do with an RBs ability to make guys miss in one on one situations

 

[Starforever]

Just take the L and down

If that's what you call an "L", fine.
Happy trails my brotha.

 

[Zordon]

@NextGenBoys

 

[Kevin T]

Maybe he's playing with his wallet in his pocket...

 

[DallasDomination]

I've been seeing zeke initiate contact when he doesnt have to. Just make a move.

To me zeke is very rusty and slow. He needs to get in way better shape. He looks slow as hell.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Just curious when the last time anyone saw Zeke make a defender miss. All he ever does is put his head down, run into them, and fall forward for 3 yards. Don't get me wrong, the tough and hidden yardage is important, but in games like last night, we need a RB who can make something happen 1v1.

Zeke is not worth the money he is making, and in certain situations Tony Pollard should be on the field over him due to his more dynamic nature and ability to make guys miss in space.

Is there anyway to add this to the OP? Maybe the blind Zeke Homer's will start to see.

 

[rags747]

Last time that stands out to me is when he hurdled the safety last year against Philadelphia and was off to the end zone before the turf tackled him.

I swear that run I think would have been pretty much top 5 in best runs ever. Never saw a hurdle like that and then continue on...Well I guess we still have not seen it.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'll say this, Zeke doesn't look explosive.

Powerful? Oh yeah, he's certainly strong, and he continues to move the pile forward upon contact.

But explosive? Shifty? Capable of making the big play?

I'm not seeing that.

How many piles did he move forward last night?

 

[aria]

It's a legitimate point talking strictly about what someone looks like.

That said, the appearance I am concerned with is in regards to Zeke's preparation to be the best football player he can be. A few things of note that concern me dating all the way back to his rookie year:

• He came into training camp 6 lbs overweight in his rookie year
  
• He whined on Twitter about needing to wake up for training camp on the 2nd day. His mother called him out on Twitter for doing so.
• He was at the weed store prior to his first preseason game in Seattle.
  
• In his 2nd year he looked like he gained weight and he looked slower.
  
• Spent his suspension in Cabo getting into shape (which people argued he wasn't out of shape to begin with)
• He had the lack of effort in the Denver game
  
• All or Nothing shows him entering the meetings looking like he just came in from partying and needing a nap.
• He missed this training camp due to the contract holdout this year

I bring that up because it appears to me that Zeke prefers to simply be a game day football player. Like Iverson said "we're talking about practice". I think he has gotten by with natural ability and it's starting to decline. He should be the difference maker on the field that many people claim that he is on social media. He's got this perception of being a dynamic home run hitter, but he hasn't been that player since 2017. Maybe it's his preparation (or lack thereof) that is preventing it to a certain extent?

Last night during the broadcast they showed Alvin and his balancing training to help him become better. I just don't see those types of things from Zeke. I'm not saying he doesn't do them but from what I can see it appears other running backs are putting more work in than he is.

Nothing to add, very well said. You get my second applause of all time

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Let me ask you this.......When was the last time Zeke had under 75 yards rushing and we won.
Week 1 vrs the Gints this year.
Why are we 1-8 when Zeke has under 75 yards?
Ain't Zeke throwing the ball out there is it now?
Throw your blames elsewhere buddy as crazy here is starting to get old.

P.S. And one of the sole reasons the majority of our QB passes are completed our on PA passes is guess who the def fears......ZEKE!!!!!

Zeke had 18 carries and has a 90MM paycheck.

This rings hollow

 

[Toruk_Makto]

When is the last time we made an effort to get Zeke in some space?

Hard to make people miss when you're running into cram packed areas.

Dallas needed to play a little more sideways last night to stretch the defense out.

What gives you the confidence that you can get Zeke going sideways and he can beat someone to the sideline?

He looks fast enough to do that to you?

There's a reason Zeke has been used almost exclusively north and south since his rookie year. His legs are gone.

Even last year he got 77 catches but ranked 19th among all rbs in yards per route run.

Zeke's "legendary" ability to fall forward is overblown.

What isn't overblown is that he has no juice. Ranked 35th of all backs last year in forced missed tackles.

 

[dckid]

I'll say this, Zeke doesn't look explosive.

Powerful? Oh yeah, he's certainly strong, and he continues to move the pile forward upon contact.

But explosive? Shifty? Capable of making the big play?

I'm not seeing that.

Good points. Time to take the training wheels off.
The Saints knew everything we were running. Don't we ever get tired of running the same running play. Can we try a sweep or a toss ever?
To me this was a good lesson for Kellen Moore, he needs to learn in game coaching adjustments.

 

[CATCH17]

What gives you the confidence that you can get Zeke going sideways and he can beat someone to the sideline?

He looks fast enough to do that to you?

There's a reason Zeke has been used almost exclusively north and south since his rookie year. His legs are gone.

Even last year he got 77 catches but ranked 19th among all rbs in yards per route run.

Zeke's "legendary" ability to fall forward is overblown.

What isn't overblown is that he has no juice. Ranked 35th of all backs last year in forced missed tackles.

I don’t mean getting Zeke sideways..

I mean using pass plays or whatever to get the defense thinking we’re going sideways and then hit them up the middle.

The multi tight end cramming it up the middle was not working and just ran us to a loss. Points were not coming from that strategy.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Zeke is the most game planned against RB in the league and defenses go all out to stop him.

As has been shown many times this simply isn't true. 19 rbs faced more stacked boxes than Zeke did last year as a percentage of their carries. 19.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

@NextGenBoys

Again none of this is new. I asked the question if Zeke is a special player before he was signed. Most said emphatically yes because yards! Whereas almost every efficiency metric said No.

And here we are.

He doesn't break tackles.

He doesn't make guys miss.

He doesn't break long runs.

He isn't an elite pass catcher out of the backfield.

These are just the facts. If you dispute any of the above the onus is on you to prove it. You can't.

 

[dfense]

Slow and plodding. A good power back, but I'm not seeing the gamebreaking aspect of a complete back's game.

He's almost a FB at this point. They don't even attempt to run him sideline to sideline. He's all between the numbers now.

 

[G2]

WRONG!
The injuries to our OL have nothing to do with an RBs ability to make guys miss in one on one situations

I disagree.
In order for a RB to get in a one on one scenario, the O line would have to provide some sort of hole to run through.
Stupid stat to use.

Especially when the entire offense underachieved. Good God, you can't even admit that.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I disagree.
In order for a RB to get in a one on one scenario, the O line would have to provide some sort of hole to run through.
Stupid stat to use.

Especially when the entire offense underachieved. Good God, you can't even admit that.

No, you can. One on one match ups happen often behind the LOS, it doesn't specifically have to be within the pre designated gap. I'm pretty sure you know that though.

Not a single stat has been used in our conversation, so yes a I agree there is something stupid with this response.

 

[G2]

No, you can. One on one match ups happen often behind the LOS, it doesn't specifically have to be within the pre designated gap. I'm pretty sure you know that though.

Not a single stat has been used in our conversation, so yes a I agree there is something stupid with this response.

You would. Notice I'm blaming both Elliott and the O line for a poor performance, unlike the Miami game? Conveniently you pick and choose what fits.