News: Let's put this myth JG forced Kellen hand Sunday night to bed

[Tommy]

This thread is evidence of it. No blame for Garrett. Here every coordinator or assistant coach is held more accountable. That's absolutely been the case for a decade now. We can listen to lack of execution, the coordinators suck, lack of talent, Jerry.. it's a long list. You haven't seen these threads?

This thread is about shutting down the stupid notion that Garrett took over play calling or demanded that Moore call a conservative game.

Garrett is responsible for the overall success and failure of the team but this stupid idea that clueless fans need to point a finger at somebody after every loss is idiotic.

 

[Doomsday101]

It was ridiculous to suggest Garret would interfere with what was working and also naïve to think that was just going to keep on working. They played 3 crummy teams and ran into a good one that had seen enough to develop a good D plan.

The other thing is that some really poor assumptions were made about the OL without considering who they were playing. Those pockets that Prescott had in the first 3 games were a farce and to be short lived. What he saw in NO and what we saw last night, those are real NFL pockets. Let's hope that's what Rodgers sees Sunday.

And this was only 1 game, if Dallas continues to block as they did then yes that is a problem. I don't expect that to be the case. Teams, all teams have bad days which is why there has only been 1 perfect season in the SB era

 

[CouchCoach]

And this was only 1 game, if Dallas continues to block as they did then yes that is a problem. I don't expect that to be the case. Teams, all teams have bad days which is why there has only been 1 perfect season in the SB era

One thing the NFL is about is "did you learn yet" so they will see the same alignment from GB that NO showed them. Did you see what SEA did last night? Used that same front NE used against the Rams in the SB that they couldn't overcome.

We didn't see much in game adjustment from Moore so now we get to see his game to game adjustment this week.

 

[Big_D]

This thread is about shutting down the stupid notion that Garrett took over play calling or demanded that Moore call a conservative game.

Garrett is responsible for the overall success and failure of the team but this stupid idea that clueless fans need to point a finger at somebody after every loss is idiotic.

He's part of the gameplan. So you have a very inexperienced coordinator and you give him full control while the QB guru and offensive genius has no say on gameday??? LOL Everyone is pointing the finger at Moore and it's a joke. Just like defending Garrett has become a joke. I don't care about 1 loss. This is a decade plus of blaming other people.

 

[Doomsday101]

One thing the NFL is about is "did you learn yet" so they will see the same alignment from GB that NO showed them. Did you see what SEA did last night? Used that same front NE used against the Rams in the SB that they couldn't overcome.

We didn't see much in game adjustment from Moore so now we get to see his game to game adjustment this week.

NO and GB strength and weakness on defense are different. GB is not going to try to emulate another team they will do things that plays to their own strength. NO did nothing out of the ordinary expect play better, defenders got off their blocks and made plays. Dallas OL did not maintain their blocks and allowed penetration into our backfield. I don't expect this OL to continue to play as they did and trying to copy another team using different personnel sounds good but seldom is the case. Heck they may as well try to copy Chicago defense only problem is they don't have the players on defense Chicago has

 

[Beaker42]

I never thought he did.

Looked to me like the predictable struggles of a very young and new OC as he learns the ropes.

Ksk, bang your head against the wall and tell me how many times you can do it before it starts hurting. I don’t understand how they couldn’t see Zeke getting 2-3 yards a carry.

 

[jnday]

The Saint’s game plan was to stop Zeke and force Dak to beat them passes. Moore or Dak couldn’t overcome it and it was an embarrassing loss.

 

[Flamma]

Unlike many others in here I do not put the blame on Dak. He was hurried on most of the snaps and receivers just weren't open in the time he had to throw. Blame whoever you want, or credit the Saints D. But Dak didn't panic and throw multiple picks or take multiple sacks. He's a solid QB you can count on.

 

[glimmerman]

With a few games for teams to look at film of there maybe tells they are picking up on. Fredbeard said they seemed to be guessing right when we were running..

 

[JoeKing]

Kellen Moores' laugh at the idea says it all. JG haters are just moronic sometimes.

 

[Cmac]

Sunday can fix this.

 

[Beaker42]

Sunday can fix this.

Maybe. Hopefully. But don’t be surprised if Moore has been exposed as another Linehan. There’s no excuse for what we had to see Sun night.

 

[Dre11]

In their zeal to defend moron Garrett, garrett homies are saying “hey, don’t blame Garrett, Moore is just as big of a doofus”

Dre11, are you telling us that Garrett had no say so in developing the game plan and could not have had the team better prepared to handle the noise and had some options on what to do if the game plan was going in the toilet?

Oh wait, I forgot, it’s only his 9th year as HC so he’s still learning

This is how goofy the haters are, he may have had say, just as he may have had say in the defensive plan, but they ALL had a hand on as theyve been trying to tell you every since Moore was made OC, but as usual you hear what you want. Again , the haters gave Moore all the credit in weeks 1-3 now you want to blame Garrett. As for the noise, everyone has issues with crowd noise which is why that is one of the toughest place to play, just as Seattle.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Who do you blame when your players don't do their jobs? I know who I blame.

The players? Because that's who you should blame...

 

[Dre11]

Well, I'm guilty of also claiming it was clapper who schemed and called the game. In fact, having watched that interview, how do we know fore sure that he didn't and they are just not saying he did? Could be a cover up on all parts. Cause all I know is, the offense I watched looked exactly like the crap show garret is prone to pull. Ah well let a dead dog lie right... onward to the ***** packers!!

So now we on to a new myth...lol

 

[Dre11]

Dude.

Forget it. Waste of time.

Dre literally argued that no coach could ever have a bad game plan or make bad play calls during a game.

How many times did you hear Execution was to blame for failures...lol again , I schooled you

 

[Dre11]

Who do you blame when your players don't do their jobs? I know who I blame.

You make millions to do your job. Which entails taking what the coaches Gove you during the week to the field, do your own film study/ prep on your competition. Youre a professional, do your job. Once you step on that field it's your job to execute, it ain't practice where they can stop the play for you to get a do over, it isn't the scout team across from you.

 

[johneric8]

This is how goofy the haters are, he may have had say, just as he may have had say in the defensive plan, but they ALL had a hand on as theyve been trying to tell you every since Moore was made OC, but as usual you hear what you want. Again , the haters gave Moore all the credit in weeks 1-3 now you want to blame Garrett. As for the noise, everyone has issues with crowd noise which is why that is one of the toughest place to play, just as Seattle.

I understand where you're coming from and their is lots of logic to what you're saying, but there is one thing that I've been trying to get across and I don't think I have yet in other threads. On your point of everyone giving Moore credit the first three weeks and now giving someone else the blame when he loses is quite explainable. I've said before that this is the first game where a true test presented itself to our offense and this is where Garrett is notorious of playing it safe and trying to keep it close. I feel like by looking at the play selection and the fact we we're paying a defense that doesn't allow stud backs to excel, the strategy could easily be exposed as Garrett stepping in and forcing his gameplan... I mean, we can all admit to that is what it looked like right? Sure the oline wasn't at it's best but we kept forcing the run between the tackles and lacked creativity! Linehan is gone now and it looked like linehan haunted the playbook. Or, was it really Garrett's carrotprints all over the gameplan?

 

[DogFace]

I posted this in another thread

There are several major differences in these numbers compared to previous weeks. In Week 4, the Cowboys actually had more passing attempts (12 including play-action) than rushing attempts (nine).

This stands in stark contrast to the run/pass ratio on first down in the preceding games: 18 runs to 11 pass attempts against the Giants, 17 runs and 10 pass attempts in Washington, and 20 runs with 10 pass attempts against the Dolphins.

It might be reasonable to argue Moore and/or head coach Jason Garrett should have called more passing plays on first down. However, the notion that the Dallas coaching staff stubbornly stuck to tradition and thereby mindlessly refused to adjust their game plan in New Orleans is not supported by the historical statistics.

In Weeks 1-3, the Cowboys quarterback threw the ball on 36% of their first-down plays. Against the Saints, they attempted a pass on 55% of their first-down plays.

Thanks for straightening that out. I was mislead and believed it.

Seemed plausible enough

 

[Idgit]

How goofy do you have to be to believe the good games are all Moore and the bad ones all Garrett in the first place? I mean, really.