Twitter: Since 2017, Dak is 5-9 vs winning teams

[HungryLion]

There's no malice in my comment. Some people are just big Dak fans and often will overlook his flaws. It's simply a descriptor to highlight those Cowboys fans that thinks Dak walks on water and is an elite-ish QB.

I understand there’s no malice. I know that’s not your style.

It’s still no different than people calling somebody a hater when they’re critical of the team. And lumping them into a group.

 

[Sydla]

So if both sides use skew stats, and then the OP of this thread(a known Dak detractor) once again uses a skewed stat, and I come back with a tweet using his full body of work, you think it's a good idea to...... reply to my response?

Weird

Weird is chastising someone for using a skewed stat when you've done it yourself before (which you have done, by the way).

And as it turns out, when you use the full "body of work" it appears Dak is below .500 against teams with a winning record.

 

[G2]

Such as?

Here's the reality. Dak doesn't suck. He's far from a crappy QB. But he still hasn't shown the consistency from game to game that one would want to see from an upper echelon QB and certainly from a guy who might be about to get Top 3 QB money.

I wonder why some of you just struggle to admit that. I am not saying cut him or any of that stuff. But at this point, I certainly wouldn't be running to his agent to sign him to a big extension at this point, after he played so-so in the two biggest games of the year for the Cowboys to date.

We are back to that point where I think we need to see a lot more from Dak before making that financial commitment.

A few reasons. And to be clear, he threw a couple passes behind WR's and a couple "could have" been INT's. Also, a couple sacks he could have avoided - IMO
The O line was patched together with very little continuity. Injuries have plagued it once again. You simply cannot expect to win games.
They got such a quick and distant lead, we couldn't run a balanced offense, they pretty much KNEW we were passing and he still got downfield. Encouraging.
Way too much pressure.
Some hiccups from WRs.
The defense didn't exactly win me over until mid 3rd quarter.

You can't expect Prescott to pass MORE than he did, it's pretty unrealistic. The entire team got handled.

 

[Sydla]

I understand there’s no malice. I know that’s not your style.

It’s still no different than people calling somebody a hater when they’re critical of the team. And lumping them into a group.

Hater is a much different term than "disciple". I am not lumping all Dak fans into that group. Only the ones who can't and will never see his flaws. That's a disciple.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Weird is chastising someone for using a skewed stat when you've done it yourself before (which you have done, by the way).

And as it turns out, when you use the full "body of work" it appears Dak is below .500 against teams with a winning record.

Weird is chastising the person using non-skewed stats in the same thread as chastising someone in the same thread using skewed stats.

Yes, same with Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Etc

 

[WillieBeamen]

11-13 hell of a lot better than 5-9. That's 6-2 that was excluded.

That would put him right in line with others. A winning team wins more games than they lose, so saying 11-13 against winning teams is "pitiful" highlights how ignorant you are.

U lost, give it up. You cant even add properly

 

[G2]

Weird is chastising someone for using a skewed stat when you've done it yourself before (which you have done, by the way).

And as it turns out, when you use the full "body of work" it appears Dak is below .500 against teams with a winning record.

That's an overused statistic that doesn't really mean anything. Is Prescott the only one playing?
So, if we beat a team and they have a losing record, isn't that we're supposed to do? We contributed to their losses.

 

[Sydla]

A few reasons. And to be clear, he threw a couple passes behind WR's and a couple "could have" been INT's. Also, a couple sacks he could have avoided - IMO
The O line was patched together with very little continuity. Injuries have plagued it once again. You simply cannot expect to win games.
They got such a quick and distant lead, we couldn't run a balanced offense, they pretty much KNEW we were passing and he still got downfield. Encouraging.
Way too much pressure.
Some hiccups from WRs.
The defense didn't exactly win me over until mid 3rd quarter.

You can't expect Prescott to pass MORE than he did, it's pretty unrealistic. The entire team got handled.

No one denies these things.

But Dak did not play well himself at all. And frankly, if you think he should be paid big money, he has to play better in big games like that.

The fact we have played two teams thus far this year that are "good" and he's been anywhere from average to poor in both isn't a good thing.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

This is going to be GOOD!

 

[Sydla]

11-13 hell of a lot better than 5-9. That's 6-2 that was excluded.

That would put him right in line with others. A winning team wins more games than they lose, so saying 11-13 against winning teams is "pitiful" highlights how ignorant you are.

What others?

I am generally curious at this point. What are the W/L records against winning teams for guys like Rodgers and Brees and other high level QBs?

I ask because I honestly don't know.

 

[Cannibal_Cowboy]

So if both sides use skew stats, and then the OP of this thread(a known Dak detractor) once again uses a skewed stat, and I come back with a tweet using his full body of work, you think it's a good idea to...... reply to my response?

Weird

Until a Dak led team actually wins a game of any importance, your comments have zero credibility. Unless, of course, you think beating the Miamis of the world brings legitimacy. It's now year four and this team is supposedly loaded. Enough of the damn excuses, it's time for RESULTS!

 

[RoyalCowboy]

Didn't know Dak is the only person playing against other teams. How about the Cowboys are 5-9 since 2017. This is just another way to chastise the QB.

 

[G2]

No one denies these things.

But Dak did not play well himself at all. And frankly, if you think he should be paid big money, he has to play better in big games like that.

The fact we have played two teams thus far this year that are "good" and he's been anywhere from average to poor in both isn't a good thing.

Under the circumstances of the GB game, that's not a fair and accurate statement.

If Romo had a game with the exact same statistics he would be elevated to legend status.

 

[Sydla]

That's an overused statistic that doesn't really mean anything. Is Prescott the only one playing?
So, if we beat a team and they have a losing record, isn't that we're supposed to do? We contributed to their losses.

Except it's not an overused stat when wins and losses has been cited MULTIPLE TIMES as to why Dak is a really good QB. You can't know suddenly claim wins and losses is a team thing when one has used wins and losses to justify why they think Dak is an elite-ish QB and deserving of a huge contract.

Note, I am not suggesting you are one of those types - I am just speaking generally here about the concept of wins and losses as used on this board.

 

[Cannibal_Cowboy]

Didn't know Dak is the only person playing against other teams. How about the Cowboys are 5-9 since 2017. This is just another way to chastise the QB.

Yeah, keep bringing the excuses. He has plenty enough talent surrounding him to win games.

 

[Canada180]

When we realize or admit that Dak just aint that good, we will all sleep better. Against good teams he needs to be THE leader and will us to victory( see A Rodgers) . He CANT . I hope he proves me wrong but I expect more of what hes shown me so far.

 

[Sydla]

Under the circumstances of the GB game, that's not a fair and accurate statement.

If Romo had a game with the exact same statistics he would be elevated to legend status.

Wait, what is your opinion of Dak's play in the GB game?

You don't think it's a fair and accurate statement to say Dak did not play well against GB?

 

[Batman1980]

time to see if everyone's wunderkind Moore can get Dak closer to that 3-0 form and further away from this 0-2 form.

 

[Silver N Blue]

40 sacks. My God.

That is what is telling. Great kid he just can’t analyze things quick enough under pressure. The same knock coming out of college.

 

[Silver N Blue]

This is true.

I think at this point, the Cowboys would be wise to let the season play out and then make a determination on Dak.

With the schedule showcasing so many good teams it would be a good move.