Our ongoing disadvantage - Opposing players got clues to Cowboys offense from Boise State

[Stash]

Adjustments....adjustments.....we don't need no stinkin adjustments.....

"Just beat the man in front of you!"

 

[Proof]

By now, everyone knows the story behind last year's season ending loss to the Rams, and how they were able to run for 273 yards. They knew what the Cowboys were doing and schemed to take advantage of that. They knew Rod Marinelli's alignment tendencies and tells and ran all over the Cowboys as a result. Their own players came out and confirmed it.

And now we have opposing players saying the same thing, except now it's coming from the other side of the ball.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-offense-from-kellen-moores-boise-state-tape/

The Cowboys went from scoring 32 points a game to 10. And the Saints went from a questionable defense to looking dominant. One big reason? Just like the Rams, they examined these Cowboys and found tips and tells that helped them to know what was coming.

This team's pro scouting - and specifically self scouting, sucks, and is a major liability. Opponents can repeatedly find out this information about us, but not only can't we do it to them, but we can't even realize and eliminate our own.

It's a huge disadvantage and a clear and obvious shortcoming of this entire coaching staff, starting at the top. And Red doesn't get to deny it any longer.

Wow. As of the time that I’m writing this you have the EXACT same amount of posts and likes at 56644. Was just cool to see

 

[Stash]

Wow. As of the time that I’m writing this you have the EXACT same amount of posts and likes at 56644. Was just cool to see

Actually, it's 55,000 posts to 56,000 likes, but who's counting?

 

[iceberg]

well i have noticed that the LOCK UP MOORE NOW FOR A DECADE junk is gone. that is a positive out of all this.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Except that NOT AT ALL what this is. And I didn’t expect any examples from you because it is in fact NOT the same as “every other team”. Fail.

But you keep on “whining” about it because it shows clear weaknesses within this team. And you clearly can’t handle that.



And maybe before you try - and fail miserably - to try to correct someone when you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, get the word study right first.

You're just doubling down on dumb. Your argument entirely is what you call a (fail)

You're doing another whine, and poor me everyone picks on the Cowboys, and honestly it's just childish, and time to move on. Cowboys aren't the only team that teams study tendencies on.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/08/tony-dungy-deion-sanders-stealing-signals Hello???????

 

[Stash]

You're just doubling down on dumb. Your argument entirely is what you call a (fail)

Unlike you, I've actually got something called support for mine. You're just another Super Fan who cries and whines when they're presented with an inconvenient truth that their team is failing at something. And you can't hand,e it. So you come with whatever lame excuse you can to try to defend them. And you fail miserably.

You're doing another whine, and poor me everyone picks on the Cowboys, and honestly it's just childish, and time to move on. Cowboys aren't the only team that teams study tendencies on.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/08/tony-dungy-deion-sanders-stealing-signals Hello???????

The "whining" is coming from you Super Fan, the guy who can't handle the truth that his team happens to not be good at something. Cry about it some more.

Nobody's ever claimed that "stealing signals" doesn't happen. The point is that your Cowboys are making it incredibly easy for the better coached teams to do it to them. And getting their clocks cleaned as a result. While failing themselves to gain that advantage over anyone else.

Maybe now you'll get it?

 

[Proof]

Actually, it's 55,000 posts to 56,000 likes, but who's counting?

Oops. Was looking with groggy eyes. Looked identical ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Blue&Silver]

Unlike you, I've actually got something called support for mine. You're just another Super Fan who cries and whines when they're presented with an inconvenient truth that their team is failing at something. And you can't hand,e it. So you come with whatever lame excuse you can to try to defend them. And you fail miserably.



The "whining" is coming from you Super Fan, the guy who can't handle the truth that his team happens to not be good at something. Cry about it some more.

Nobody's ever claimed that "stealing signals" doesn't happen. The point is that your Cowboys are making it incredibly easy for the better coached teams to do it to them. And getting their clocks cleaned as a result. While failing themselves to gain that advantage over anyone else.

Maybe now you'll get it?

You seem to believe your post count somehow equates to superiority in your bizarre ranting, and nonsensical argument. Congratulations! You win the goodie button for having less of a life than me. You seem to have an answer for everything, but say very little. I simply made a factual statement about signs, and tendencies, and you're still whining and crying because I added my input. Really, grow up.

 

[Stash]

You seem to believe your post count somehow equates to superiority in your bizarre ranting, and nonsensical argument. Congratulations! You win the goodie button for having less of a life than me.

And that really seems to bother you somehow, interesting...

I'm don't remember even mentioning "post count" to you at all. The only person who seems to take issue with it here is you.

You seem to have an answer for everything, but say very little. I simply made a factual statement about signs, and tendencies, and you're still whining and crying because I added my input. Really, grow up.

Practice what you preach. You've brought nothing here but think you've accomplished something. The "whining and crying" is all on your end. "Grow up" yourself little man.

 

[Blue&Silver]

And that really seems to bother you somehow, interesting...

I'm don't remember even mentioning "post count" to you at all. The only person who seems to take issue with it here is you.



Practice what you preach. You've brought nothing here but think you've accomplished something. The "whining and crying" is all on your end. "Grow up" yourself little man.

Whether you measure your self-worth by your post count makes no difference to me. The amount of time that you spend posting is quite eye-opening, and hopefully it just means you are retired, and not down by a permanent disability.

We are all here for the same thing there's no right, or wrong opinions, and that shouldn't get lost in the context of a conversation..

 

[Stash]

Whether you measure your self-worth by your post count makes no difference to me. The amount of time that you spend posting is quite eye-opening, and hopefully it just means you are retired, and not down by a permanent disability.

You're the guy measuring it and bringing it up, not me. If there's an issue with it, it's your issue.

We are all here for the same thing there's no right, or wrong opinions, and that shouldn't get lost in the context of a conversation..

On that we totally agree.

 

[ondaedg]

Jeff Cavanaugh on the Fan said our DT’s try to crash so fast in that they just pick a gap and go. Meanwhile the DE is looping around the edge to kill the QB. That creates a monster hole anyone could run through. The LB’s also play too close to the line like we are playing the wishbone or something I noticed.

As I stated last year teams are using our aggressiveness against us and have figured out a way to burn it.

Yep at least two TD runs by Jones last week the DEs were rushing to the outside and the DT either stunted inside or attacked a gap that left a humongous hole he coukd run through. Furthermore none of our DTs occupied a double team allowing their extra Olineman to take out our LBers.

 

[ondaedg]

By now, everyone knows the story behind last year's season ending loss to the Rams, and how they were able to run for 273 yards. They knew what the Cowboys were doing and schemed to take advantage of that. They knew Rod Marinelli's alignment tendencies and tells and ran all over the Cowboys as a result. Their own players came out and confirmed it.

And now we have opposing players saying the same thing, except now it's coming from the other side of the ball.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-offense-from-kellen-moores-boise-state-tape/

The Cowboys went from scoring 32 points a game to 10. And the Saints went from a questionable defense to looking dominant. One big reason? Just like the Rams, they examined these Cowboys and found tips and tells that helped them to know what was coming.

This team's pro scouting - and specifically self scouting, sucks, and is a major liability. Opponents can repeatedly find out this information about us, but not only can't we do it to them, but we can't even realize and eliminate our own.

It's a huge disadvantage and a clear and obvious shortcoming of this entire coaching staff, starting at the top. And Red doesn't get to deny it any longer.

Unbelievable. How could JG and Moore not be concerned that those signals couldn't be picked up by our opponents?

Even JJ has to be steaming p'd off.

 

[Stash]

Unbelievable. How could JG and Moore not be concerned that those signals couldn't be picked up by our opponents?

Even JJ has to be steaming p'd off.

I'm not sure that they don't simply lie to themselves and say it's not an issue, the same way some fans feel compelled to.

Garrett is on record trying to deny the Rams players statements that they were able to diagnose what the Cowboys line was trying to do "90% of the time", so I think that's likely the organization's position on it.

Deny, deny, deny.

After all who would want to publicly admit being made to look like fools?

I do hope that Jerry Jones is taking these things seriously.

 

[ondaedg]

Oh . Is this another bashing Garrett thread?

There is nothing worst that an NFL coach can do then let the opposing team know your signals and plays. And I mean nothing.

 

[ondaedg]

I'm not sure that they don't simply lie to themselves and say it's not an issue, the same way some fans feel compelled to.

Garrett is on record trying to deny the Rams players statements that they were able to diagnose what the Cowboys line was trying to do "90% of the time", so I think that's likely the organization's position on it.

Deny, deny, deny.

After all who would want to publicly admit being made to look like fools?

I do hope that Jerry Jones is taking these things seriously.

Both Stephen and JJ were on record last season saying they wanted to see us be less predictable especially on offense. This is the worst thing that could have happened for JG and Moore. Even Jerry has limits.

 

[Prime21]

This is true to an extent but we did not lose the past two games because of this.

The Saints whipped us up front and we beat ourselves against the Packers.

Over reaction and over criticism from two straight losses.

 

[ondaedg]

well i have noticed that the LOCK UP MOORE NOW FOR A DECADE junk is gone. that is a positive out of all this.

This is fixable for Moore because he is a newb coach. This is on Garrett for allowing another team to know our plays. He should have stepped in to prevent those signals from being used. Mind boggling.

 

[ondaedg]

This is true to an extent but we did not lose the past two games because of this.

The Saints whipped us up front and we beat ourselves against the Packers.

Over reaction and over criticism from two straight losses.

Sorry but even bad teams like the Dolphins will win games if they knew the other team's plays. If the Packers and Saints knew the plays then it was a tremendous advantage for them.

 

[Stash]

This is true to an extent but we did not lose the past two games because of this.

The Saints whipped us up front and we beat ourselves against the Packers.

Over reaction and over criticism from two straight losses.

And inaccuracies in rushing to the defense.

Nobody ever said they lost the Packers game due to this issue.