Can a team really win without coaching

[Sydla]

According to a certain poster here, yes.

Coaching doesn't matter. There are no such things as bad play calls or bad game plans. All coaches are essentially fungible. If Jason Garrett had coached in NE, he would have likely been as successful as Belichick.

 

[blueblood70]

yes players need to exectute!!!! sad I realize RM and Garett have outstayed their welcome here on a career judgment but really these type of back to back loses when you go back and look at the game, its squarely on the players..

Players need to be held responsible for their own attitudes, preparation, and for sure execution..

Garrett might not be a great HC but hes not a bad one..

these 2 losses fall squarely on the players who committed all the penalty's, fumbles, interception, dropped passes, missed blocks, and for not inspiring their teammates when they were down..

Im sorry but this isnt on the coaches, this isnt HS ball or college freshmen needing rah rah motivation, these are very overpaid grown men and I saw the games, plays were open, players literally dropped the ball..

all the talk on RM and JG needs to go might have some arguments over a career judgment but not these type of losses..

Now the Rams playoff game even the packers 2016 playoff game where we came out and got beat do to outcoaching..mistakes by players didnt lose either of those games, you can tell the opponents coaches had plan to overcome our gameplan and it worked with no answer or adjustments by our staff to counter..

the Saints and GB game was blantently obvious the players failed to execute, made way too many mistakes..thats what lost these games..​

 

[Sydla]

yes players need to exectute!!!! sad I realize RM and Garett have outstayed their welcome here on a career judgment but really these type of back to back loses when you go back and look at the game, its squarely on the players..

Players need to be held responsible for their own attitudes, preparation, and for sure execution..

Garrett might not be a great HC but hes not a bad one..

these 2 losses fall squarely on the players who committed all the penalty's, fumbles, interception, dropped passes, missed blocks, and for not inspiring their teammates when they were down..

Im sorry but this isnt on the coaches, this isnt HS ball or college freshmen needing rah rah motivation, these are very overpaid grown men and I saw the games, plays were open, players literally dropped the ball..

all the talk on RM and JG needs to go might have some arguments over a career judgment but not these type of losses..

Now the Rams playoff game even the packers 2016 playoff game where we came out and got beat do to outcoaching..mistakes by players didnt lose either of those games, you can tell the opponents coaches had plan to overcome our gameplan and it worked with no answer or adjustments by our staff to counter..

the Saints and GB game was blantently obvious the players failed to execute, made way too many mistakes..thats what lost these games..​

Here's a question.

At what point, when we have seen Cowboys teams make mistakes over and over, do you start to think that maybe the "message" the coaches are conveying isn't working?

I mean every year, when the Cowboys hit the skids for a season or a stretch of a season, it's the same thing - the players are committing too many penalties, they dropped balls, they did this and they did that.

If that happens year after year after year after year save for a season or two, at what point do you wonder if the issue might be the coach?

 

[Ranching]

The closest I've ever seen this team do it. Was the Barry Switzer years.. I know exactly what Troy Aikman was saying back then. Where is the discipline. I believe we can still win. It's too early in the season to give up. But we can't continue playing as individuals. I just don't have faith in this coaching staff. I don't see a leader. I just see a bunch of individuals on and off the field.

They are all trying to get a piece of the shrinking pie.

 

[cowboyblue22]

in the salary cap era of todays football coaching and qb play are the two deciding factors in whether u are a playoff team and will win in the playoffs or not the jones cowboys have the good enough qb play if the coaching was a lot better and I mean much better on another level this head coach and his staff suck

 

[fredp22]

you've had 9 years or Garrett-doesnt that answer your question?

 

[Reverend Conehead]

But we have only gotten through 1/5th of the century. We still have 80 years to change things.

That's comforting. My great great grandkids might be able to enjoy a Cowboys Super Bowl.

 

[Galian Beast]

Switzer was a better coach than Garrett...

 

[Sydla]

Switzer was a better coach than Garrett...

I won't say Switzer is some all time great, but he was a much better coach than people give him credit for. His country bumpkin, awww shucks persona made people think he was an idiot, but he was a very good coach, especially in college.

 

[Western]

College teams with dominant talent can get away with it. Nick Saban is a “genius” because every Saturday when Ala lines up for the kickoff they have a huge talent advantage.

In the NFL, coaching is way more important because the talent margins are thinner and being able to be creative with scheme and be able to adapt to what opponents are trying to take away from you is critical. 99% of the time, the teams who win in the playoffs have the best coaches. Any surprise why we have only won 3 wild card round playoff games this century?

Pete Carroll at USC had dominant talent & was labeled a "genius".
Then we went to the NFL, and coached the Seahawks to two Super Bowls -- and probably should have won the second one against the Patriots.
Granted not all successful college coaches will translate into successful NFL head coaches -- but Saban's coaching skills, football knowledge, and teaching techniques are equal if not better than Pete Carroll's stint at USC.

 

[blueblood70]

Here's a question.

At what point, when we have seen Cowboys teams make mistakes over and over, do you start to think that maybe the "message" the coaches are conveying isn't working?

I mean every year, when the Cowboys hit the skids for a season or a stretch of a season, it's the same thing - the players are committing too many penalties, they dropped balls, they did this and they did that.

If that happens year after year after year after year save for a season or two, at what point do you wonder if the issue might be the coach?

sorry its on the layers.. no coach eve Jimmy Johnson can prevent these mistakes, he never cut a super star only bs 3rd stringers or ST guys to make point.. players have to execute the plan.. no new coach can coach out penalty's and Turnovers..

they can however teach them how to go get turnovers and goad other players into mistakes...but these last two games fall 100% on the players.. im sorry but pointing this toward coaching is not the right blame..

BTW its not one player every game making the same mistakes or maybe it can be fixed by a benching or a calling out.. its different guys each game and also cant control refs making bad or non calls..

I know over a career yes big picture this team needs fresh voice at HC and DC because we and the players at some point tune out coaches and fall into a comfortable situation..like a10yr marriage etc people fall into comfort zone and dont try as hard can lead to adivorce..

but these last 2 games are players just not doing their jobs..

 

[cowboyblue22]

without really good coaching in todays nfl u are not going to win in the playoffs

 

[kskboys]

No.

I cannot remember the last team to win a super bowl with a meh coach or an elite player/defense

DEN. Elite D, Kubiak might be worse than MEH!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I don't think a team can. Even in '95, we had the same great assistant coaches, and people like portraying Switzer as a moron, but he wasn't that. He was intelligent. An idiot could not have had the success he had at Oklahoma. I do question some of his coaching approaches with the Cowboys. I don't think he was good on discipline like Jimmy was. But he wasn't a dummy who put together bad game plans.

Switzer was a moron. You're confusing being a great college recruiter as being a competent HC.

 

[Sydla]

sorry its on the layers.. no coach eve Jimmy Johnson can prevent these mistakes, he never cut a super star only bs 3rd stringers or ST guys to make point.. players have to execute the plan.. no new coach can coach out penalty's and Turnovers..

they can however teach them how to go get turnovers and goad other players into mistakes...but these last two games fall 100% on the players.. im sorry but pointing this toward coaching is not the right blame..

BTW its not one player every game making the same mistakes or maybe it can be fixed by a benching or a calling out.. its different guys each game and also cant control refs making bad or non calls..

I know over a career yes big picture this team needs fresh voice at HC and DC because we and the players at some point tune out coaches and fall into a comfortable situation..like a10yr marriage etc people fall into comfort zone and dont try as hard can lead to adivorce..

but these last 2 games are players just not doing their jobs..

So it's just been bad luck that despite churning the roster, we just happen to have accumulated some of the most undisciplined, stupid, etc. players for the last 9 years?

At some point, common sense has to set in here, right?

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

Switzer was a better coach than Garrett...

Switzer had the benefit of inheriting Jimmy Johnson's team. That being said, they both suck.

 

[kskboys]

yes players need to exectute!!!! sad I realize RM and Garett have outstayed their welcome here on a career judgment but really these type of back to back loses when you go back and look at the game, its squarely on the players..

Players need to be held responsible for their own attitudes, preparation, and for sure execution..

Garrett might not be a great HC but hes not a bad one..

these 2 losses fall squarely on the players who committed all the penalty's, fumbles, interception, dropped passes, missed blocks, and for not inspiring their teammates when they were down..

Im sorry but this isnt on the coaches, this isnt HS ball or college freshmen needing rah rah motivation, these are very overpaid grown men and I saw the games, plays were open, players literally dropped the ball..

all the talk on RM and JG needs to go might have some arguments over a career judgment but not these type of losses..

Now the Rams playoff game even the packers 2016 playoff game where we came out and got beat do to outcoaching..mistakes by players didnt lose either of those games, you can tell the opponents coaches had plan to overcome our gameplan and it worked with no answer or adjustments by our staff to counter..

the Saints and GB game was blantently obvious the players failed to execute, made way too many mistakes..thats what lost these games..​

Good morning Jason.

 

[Sydla]

Switzer was a moron. You're confusing being a great college recruiter as being a competent HC.

Ridiculous. He won three national titles in college. You don't do that by just being a good recruiter. He lost 11 conference games in 17 seasons. He was 12-5 against Nebraska. He was 9-5-2 against Texas.

 

[kskboys]

So it's just been bad luck that despite churning the roster, we just happen to have accumulated some of the most undisciplined, stupid, etc. players for the last 9 years?

At some point, common sense has to set in here, right?

Absolutely crazy ideas being spouted on here.

 

[JMPearson]

The closest I've ever seen this team do it. Was the Barry Switzer years.. I know exactly what Troy Aikman was saying back then. Where is the discipline. I believe we can still win. It's too early in the season to give up. But we can't continue playing as individuals. I just don't have faith in this coaching staff. I don't see a leader. I just see a bunch of individuals on and off the field.

Barry Switzer is a Hall of fame football coach, they had coaching.