Twitter: NFL passing leaders through week 7 (top 5 may surprise some)

[xwalker]

Backpedal from what exactly, Willie?

Your explanation is way over his head.

You'll need somebody to translate it into Dr. Seuss type explanations.

QBR either has to be worthless or the greatest stat ever. Anything between that is too complicated for some people.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Your explanation is way over his head.

You'll need somebody to translate it into Dr. Seuss type explanations.

QBR either has to be worthless or the greatest stat ever. Anything between that is too complicated for some people.

Look at the fake scout chiming in late to the party as usual


How is it possible to consistently NOT know what you are talking about?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I find it hard to believe that the Anti-Dak crowd would work so hard to discredit these same types of stats if QB's that they favored or believed to be great/elite had them. There would be no taking away stats that were put up against below average to bad defenses. And they wouldn't prevented themselves from getting excited about any big plays or amazing throws that their favorite QB put up against below average defenses or secondaries. ey

They wouldn't cheery pick the plays that their dream QB made against good defenses as the only aspect of that QB's career and game that made him worthy of being called elite or considered a true franchise QB. And completely forgo any plays or big games their dream QB made against bad or average defenses.

There is no credibility left for the trolls.

They started out saying he was backup material and are now left to babble that he is not elite or only plays great against weak defenses or because of the talent around him.

 

[percyhoward]

You say that like that's low, that's higher than every single component in the passer rating equation where 100% is put on the QB.

Completion Percentage: 44%
Interception Rate: 40%
Yards Per Attempt: 38%
Touchdown Rate: 34%

These were all measured using the same methodology that the guy used to get the "at least 45%?" If so, I now have more respect for ESPN's QBR, which puts all sacks on the QB, and puts Prescott ahead of Brady, and Wentz ahead of Rodgers -- not just this year, but also over the last 3 1/2 years.

But since we're talking about a QB who took a sack every 30 dropbacks when Smith and Martin played at least half the game's snaps in 2017, and every 8 dropbacks when they didn't, I have my doubts.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Look at the fake scout chiming in late to the party as usual


How is it possible to consistently NOT know what you are talking about?

X has gotten a few wrong, its true, but at least he can see how good Dak is. What is your excuse?

No excuse after 4 years to still get it all wrong.

 

[85Cowboy85]

These were all measured using the same methodology that the guy used to get the "at least 45%?" If so, I now have more respect for ESPN's QBR, which puts all sacks on the QB, and puts Prescott ahead of Brady, and Wentz ahead of Rodgers -- not just this year, but also over the last 3 1/2 years.

But since we're talking about a QB who took a sack every 30 dropbacks when Smith and Martin played at least half the game's snaps in 2017, and every 8 dropbacks when they didn't, I have my doubts.

Those are all from the article you posted. I'm not 100% pro QBR myself but I do agree with attributing sacks in large part to the QB.

My issue with QBR would be that a large part of the game situation is outside of the QBs control, and that situation is factored into the rating. For example in baseball I don't think you would improve the OPS stat by factoring in how many runners are on base when players happen to get a hit, as that is usually more luck based and not a reproducible skill.

I think your general thesis that the traditional passer rating and QBR are pretty similar is correct. If someone could illustrate that QBR had significantly better predictive ability I might change my mind, but most of what I've seen shows most QB metrics correlate pretty closely with each other.

 

[WillieBeamen]

X has gotten a few wrong, its true, but at least he can see how good Dak is. What is your excuse?

No excuse after 4 years to still get it all wrong.

Im right on Dak


You homers just have a sickness

 

[CowboyRoy]

Im right on Dak


You homers just have a sickness

LOL......Oh yah, you have been right on the money about Dak.

What part specifically have you been right about? This should be good for a laugh.

 

[WillieBeamen]

LOL......Oh yah, you have been right on the money about Dak.

What part specifically have you been right about? This should be good for a laugh.

Go back and read my posts. All gems

 

[CowboyRoy]

Go back and read my posts. All gems

More like all turds. LOL

Can you even name ONE thing you were right about on Dak?

 

[HungryLion]

Go back and read my posts. All gems

I am looking forward to the next Dak sucks thread that will be posted immediately after the next game the Cowboys lose.

 

[WillieBeamen]

More like all turds. LOL

Can you even name ONE thing you were right about on Dak?

MuR liKe aLl tErDz

 

[WillieBeamen]

I am looking forward to the next Dak sucks thread that will be posted immediately after the next game the Cowboys lose.

And im looking forward to you liking nonsense posts from Dak stanleys and not responding when I call you out

 

[CowboyRoy]

MuR liKe aLl tErDz

That pretty much sums you up eh? Butchering the English language. LOL

 

[WillieBeamen]

That pretty much sums you up eh? Butchering the English language. LOL

Joke flew right over your head, old man


Shouldnt you be in bed by now?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Joke flew right over your head, old man


Shouldnt you be in bed by now?

Jokes on you in case you didn't notice. Working the night shift tonight? LOL

 

[WillieBeamen]

Jokes on you in case you didn't notice. Working the night shift tonight? LOL

Nah, you’re the joke old man

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nah, you’re the joke old man

How old are you 12? LOL

Do you pay taxes yet? Drive? Go to bed son.

 

[WillieBeamen]

How old are you 12? LOL

Do you pay taxes yet? Drive? Go to bed son.

Arent you like 60, trolling on a messageboard ?

Hey, why dont you go crying to the mods again because I hurt your feelings

 

[percyhoward]

I think your general thesis that the traditional passer rating and QBR are pretty similar is correct. If someone could illustrate that QBR had significantly better predictive ability I might change my mind, but most of what I've seen shows most QB metrics correlate pretty closely with each other.

Ben Baldwin (Seahawks twitter) messed with the weights until he got the right amounts of EPA, CPOE, and Success Rate that combined to best predict the next season's EPA. More predictive than EPA alone, and much more predictive than QBR over the last 10 seasons.



Incidentally, Baldwin is another one of those analytics guys who sees sacks as a QB stat, but that doesn't stop him from marveling at what Wilson has done behind that OL anyway.