Zeke's longest run the past 3 weeks

[khiladi]

You didn't read the very article you used as a citation and didn't even realize it was an article written 4 weeks into Barkley's career. Barkley has a lingering injury this year, I haven't brought him up - Zeke is having a better season than him.

You don't know how to admit you lost a debate. And you NEED the last word. LOL

no, I absolutely did read the article which is why I quoted it. You, on the other hand, did not, which is why you thought it was THREE YEARS AGO.

And now your making excuses for Barkley with a ‘lingering issue’, but apparently Zeke doubling guys like Henry in rushes is not an issue even though he’s still constantly forcing man coverages, which Barkley hasn’t done..

 

[mattjames2010]

no, I absolutely did read the article which is why I quoted it. You, on the other hand, did not, which is why you thought it was THREE YEARS AGO.

No, you did not or else you would have provided me with an article that takes the entire season into context rather 4 weeks in which the article focuses primarily on the Saints strategy to beat them in said game.

And I didn't state it was "three years ago", I stated they are discussing things that happened the previous 3 seasons and how you used something that happened 4 weeks into Barkley's career as a "gotcha"

You had your chances, your citation blew up in your face, and the rest has been nothing but correlation. Zeke's production has been declining in important areas, that's his consistency. I'm not interested in volume stats, especially when the wear and tear is already showing on Zeke.

 

[khiladi]

The fact is, your defense was

LOL oh so now Barkley doesn't get an excuse of running behind a trash offensive line last year, but he still managed to find ways to score for his team by breaking long runs....

So, I ask again, why is Zeke incapable of doing this? I guess teams were just ZONING IN on old man Eli Manning and worried he'd tear up their defense....which he did to literally no one last year

The fact is the article proved they did exactly that and the article said that’s why they drafted Barkley, but he did nothing to address that. And it continued.. Barkley basically profited with space..

You were 100 hundred percent wrong.

 

[mattjames2010]

The fact is, your defense was



The fact is the article proved they did exactly that and the article said that’s why they drafted Barkley, but he did nothing to address that. And it continued.. Barkley basically profited with space..

In which you provided me a link to an article that discussed prior seasons and mainly focused on the Saints game in WEEK 4 OF BARKLEY's career. Have the last word, that seems about all you have in your life.

 

[khiladi]

You even tried to argue that the Saints borrowed it only as a strategy this year.

They are talking about something that happened 3 years prior to that and a strategy the Saints used to beat the Giants. You didn't actually read that. I'm getting bored, your agenda is not entertaining to me.

Who is up next?

The fact is you were completely wrong. The whole article was about how the Giants can’t beat cover 2 even with the addition of Barkley.

And Eli has been old for years, this, yes you are completely wrong. Teams were zoning into old man Eli.

 

[khiladi]

And after those 4 games, Barkley had his worst stretch of running and the Giants also lost 4 in a row. Outside of the Philly game where he averaged 10 YPC because of one big rush in a game they got blown out in, Barkley was averaging about 3 YPC.

that’s what obfuscated his reception numbers too, because he’s basically a checkdown and defenses kept everything underneath. His big game play making ability was primarily catching underneath and exploding in space, where teams played two deep zone all day.

 

[khiladi]

The fact of the matter is Zeke and this running game is constantly forcing man coverage and allowing our WRs to get favorable matchups all day on the outside.

That’s the reality..

 

[Manster_Mash]

Disappointment threads after losses are vaguely reminiscent of pouty children being told to turn the TV off and come to supper.

Questioning why a 100 million dollar RB not breaking a run longer than 12 yards in 3 weeks behind an OL with 4 highly paid, and 3 pro bowl, starters hardly qualifies as being pouty. That is a real, alarming, problem.

 

[Sydla]

The fact of the matter is Zeke and this running game is constantly forcing man coverage and allowing our WRs to get favorable matchups all day on the outside.

That’s the reality..

This seems like some spin in order to justify the fact we are probably looking at the reality that we are going to be substantially overpaying our TB.

I think this notion that he leads to stacked boxes, more man coverage is a bit overblown. In fact, I think some of the recent data suggests the Cowboys aren't facing as many stacked boxes and man coverage as people think (I can't remember if it was Sturm or someone who tweeted the data).

 

[Manster_Mash]

So, a 6-3 RB that ran a 4.5 has broken multiple long run this season and Zeke has one run beyond 20 yards....

LOL are you suggesting Zeke has faced top defenses the entire year? Is that your argument? And they are "keying in" on him? This entire board is discussing how great Dak is, you know putting up 300+ to 400+ yards passing - yet, they are just zoning in on an RB that can't run beyond 10 yards? Really?

You want to back this up with some evidence that they are going all in on Zeke the majority of plays?

The funny thing is that these same posters think that this year defenses suddenly started keying on Zeke?? Do they think defenses ignored the #4 overall pick in 2016 and instead keyed on a rookie 4th round QB replacing the injured starter?

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Wow. It's simple propulsion dynamics. Quick and fast or big and physical.

The RB that get long runs multiple times a year fall into two categories. The blazing speedsters and the big body bruisers with monster stiff-arms.

The blazing speedsters can capture the edge and out run everybody. The big body bruisers well no DB really wants to tackle those guys. So when you add in their monstrous stiff-arms they can break a long one. Their stiff-arm helps them break the tackles of the linebackers then their size makes DB's take bad angles out of fear.

So why can't Zeke break the long runs? No stiff-arm. And no stiff-arm is one of the reasons I didn't want them to pay Zeke. When he hits the second level, with no stiff-arm, he'd rather initiate contact because he knows he can't elude the tackler. He knows he has no stiff-arm and not having a stiff-arm makes him run that way.

Remember the 68 yard run by Marshawn Lynch in the playoff game against N.O. Zeke could never do that. Lynch stiff-armed four would be tacklers to the ground.

So in breaking several long runs during the season the RB's that are quick and fast or big and physical will have an advantage.

 

[mattjames2010]

The funny thing is that these same posters think that this year defenses suddenly started keying on Zeke?? Do they think defenses ignored the #4 overall pick in 2016 and instead keyed on a rookie 4th round QB replacing the injured starter?

It's all spin and denial.

 

[Manster_Mash]

It's all spin and denial.

Very much so. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen him tackled by 1 defender, and in space.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah, every other RB in the NFL is just having the stars align multiple times for them to get 20+ yard runs or runs beyond 41 yards....you know, Zeke's longest run in 3 years. 95 year old Frank Gore topped Zeke's longest run in 3 years this season.

But you're right, once the planets align, the wind is blowing east, we have a full moon....then Zeke will hit that big one.

Yes, that's what what I wrote meant. I see you have an agenda stuck in your head and plan to ride it as far as it will take you. Good luck with it.

 

[TRUTH87]

I think Zeke is a good TB. However, I think you are already seeing the wear and tear on him in his early career take a toll. He lacks the explosion and quickness he had as a rookie.

I have no problems with Elliott being the TB for the Cowboys.

I do have a problem paying him more than any TB in NFL history.

it’s only for this season thought right? Mcaffery (sp?) will be the highest paid and then barkley or vise versa either or. zeke will not and it’s okay.

 

[Keithfansince5]

Not to me, I forgot what run was to the sidelines, probably a reception but he looked slow. If he continues he will be a slower back in future years too, oh well shouldn't have signed him to a big contract, lesson learned I hope.

You noticed that too? It was a screen pass. He actually gained 19 yards. Problem was, he jogged the whole way. I honestly do not understand it.

 

[mattjames2010]

Very much so. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen him tackled by 1 defender, and in space.

He has no moves in open space, doesn't use a stiff arm - he puts his shoulder down and hopes for the best. Frankly, I'm not even sure he's as good at that as Murray was, who used to put players flat on their backs and kept running.

And remember this place saying Murray left meat on the bone? Every single year of his career, he had runs go beyond 40 yards. 5 of his seasons he had a 50+ yard run, and 3 of his seasons he had 70+ yard runs (his most being 90+)

What Zeke has is durability and availability, but it's already quite obvious the wear and tear from the workload is getting to him.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

He has no moves in open space, doesn't use a stiff arm - he puts his shoulder down and hopes for the best. Frankly, I'm not even sure he's as good at that as Murray was, who used to put players flat on their backs and kept running.

And remember this place saying Murray left meat on the bone? Every single year of his career, he had runs go beyond 40 yards. 5 of his seasons he had a 50+ yard run, and 3 of his seasons he had 70+ yard runs (his most being 90+)

What Zeke has is durability and availability, but it's already quite obvious the wear and tear from the workload is getting to him.

Another possibility. The Cowboys are known for running the same pass plays. Maybe they are doing the same thing on the ground. I've never seen them run a draw with Zeke. Barely any toss plays, sweeps plays, or counters. So maybe the defenses have just caught up with our running scheme.

The run game is easy to stop when you know what's coming. A gap, B gap, Stretch and off tackle. That's all I see, mostly.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Questioning why a 100 million dollar RB not breaking a run longer than 12 yards in 3 weeks behind an OL with 4 highly paid, and 3 pro bowl, starters hardly qualifies as being pouty. That is a real, alarming, problem.

It's a team sport. You don't know Zeke and you assume so much about him. You ignore teams still believe the way to beat this team is to shut down Zeke. You anoint the line, and surely ignore when the defense is waiting on Zeke at the line of scrimmage to gang tackle him.

There are a number of people on this site that don't understand the clockwork of pro football and how all the gears mesh to make a winner. Not just one gear.

Disappointment looking for a scapegoat has no brush with facts. It's just emotional ranting.

 

[mattjames2010]

Another possibility. The Cowboys are known for running the same pass plays. Maybe they are doing the same thing on the ground. I've never seen them run a draw with Zeke. Barely any toss plays, sweeps plays, or counters. So maybe the defenses have just caught up with our running scheme.

The run game is easy to stop when you know what's coming. A gap, B gap, Stretch and off tackle. That's all I see, mostly.

Zeke doesn't hit the outside fast enough and that has really limited him to being a between the tackles RB. Pollard seems to do that better. I'm glad Pollard saw the field a little more yesterday, but honestly, it's getting to the point where Pollard needs to be sharing a chunk of carries in games Zeke just isn't getting it done.