Audio: Mickey and Shan got into it on the radio today

[Haimerej]

I’ve articulated the answer in multiple other threads, one of which was to you.

you’re now asking me a question, about something we just discussed yesterday. You didn’t agree with it then, so why waste my time explaining it to you again? You already have been told why I think it’s important. So the bigger question is, why ask me again?

Also, if you need somebody to explain why it’s important for human beings to take as much data as possible into consideration, when making important decisions, then you’re probably beyond helping.

You haven't actually explained why it's important. You just keep saying it is. Your little saying about, "as much data as possible," is just an attempt to avoid explaining the value of the data.

 

[HungryLion]

I'm a baby boomer but embrace technology and learning. My old boss, admiral rickover used to say every new technology is a threat to the old technology and those who espouse it and profit from it. Knowledge is power. Even in football.

Absolutely agree.

Willful ignorance Is unfortunately something that affects people in many aspects of life. I’ve seen it before in my profession. A few years ago, the company was implementing a new electronic medical records system. It was my responsibility to oversee the rollout and train people on how to use the new system. It’s unbelievable how many people were resistant to learning the new system and initially complaining about it due to their comfort and familiarity with the old system.

of course once the new system was fully implemented, it reduced the time it took people to complete their documentation, allowed for easier access to records than what the case workers previously had along with a long list of other benefits.

 

[Haimerej]

That's like saying your inability to understand how using all data available to come to an informed decision can be beneficial is telling.

Again, that is simply an attempt at avoiding explaining the value of the data. "All data available," isn't inherently valuable. What makes it valuable?

 

[TheDude]

I would buy a ticket to see Mickey Spagnola punched in the face.

you'd get rich scalping that ticket

 

[Haimerej]

I also don’t understand why Shariff got so mad though lol.....I didn’t think anyone took Mickey that serious enough to get mad lol

He got mad because he knows Mickey was right.

 

[Sydla]

He got mad because he knows Mickey was right.

LOL. Shan is tired of the constant excuse making Mickey makes. Mickey is hardly right. He’s just a mouthpiece for the organization.

You Garrett guys are too much.

Is there a line that gets crossed where you say to yourself, you know what? Garrett ain’t getting it done.

 

[408Cowboy]

Again, that is simply an attempt at avoiding explaining the value of the data. "All data available," isn't inherently valuable. What makes it valuable?

If you can't see how using data that gives you proven probabilities in different situations can be a benefit I can't help you. This is borderline willful ignorance on your part.

 

[cern]

Again, that is simply an attempt at avoiding explaining the value of the data. "All data available," isn't inherently valuable. What makes it valuable?

Why not google/research it on your own instead of asking others to explain it to you? The fact Harbaugh is a proponent and belichick has his analytics nerd communicating with him suggests there is validity to it. Far more naval brass said nuclear power for ships propulsion would never be possible than those who supported the idea. Fortunately, the entire vanguard of old thinkers was proven to be wrong.

 

[HungryLion]

Again, that is simply an attempt at avoiding explaining the value of the data. "All data available," isn't inherently valuable. What makes it valuable?

I really need to explain why the data is important?

It’s taking thousands of points of data over decades of NFL history, that calculate the probability of winning or losing NFL games based on a decision to kick a field goal or punt, or go for it on 4th down. Even based on running or passing the ball.

and we had the discussion about probabilities before. People take winning probabilities into consideration in many many other things. Card games, board games, roulette, dice games, etc. People based their decision to hit or stay based on how likely they are to get a card they need and how likely the dealer is to have the cards they need, etc.

Probabilities are used in business when calculating whether an investment is worthwhile or not.

And like I’ve said, It doesn’t mean you only go with the decision that has the higher probability of working. I have said you also take other factors into consideration. Like your opponent, and matchups and how your own team is currently playing.

But given new technology that allows coaches to have this extra information presented to them in real time within seconds. There is no valid reason to at least have the information available when making a decision.

Having more information available to make decisions is a good thing. In every aspect of life.

There is no reason not to. Choosing to not have that information available and consider it is willful ignorance. It is choosing to not know something that you could know. That may help you form an more educated opinion.

I don’t know why that concept is difficult for you to grasp.

 

[cern]

LOL. Shan is tired of the constant excuse making Mickey makes. Mickey is hardly right. He’s just a mouthpiece for the organization.

You Garrett guys are too much.

Is there a line that gets crossed where you say to yourself, you know what? Garrett ain’t getting it done.

The fan knows mickey played a role in the demise of broaddus. Mickey won't be given any slack.

 

[Little Jr]

Shan: "IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A WAR IT CAN BE A WAR!"

If we hired a coach that used analytics, Spaggs would talk about how great it was. If the Cowboys do it, its great and how all teams should do it

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You haven't actually explained why it's important. You just keep saying it is. Your little saying about, "as much data as possible," is just an attempt to avoid explaining the value of the data.

The value of the data is to help make the most informed decision possible.

 

[HungryLion]

Probability based decision making has been used for a long time in other games. Card games for example. Because people could calculate the probabilities of when to hit or stay, how likely they were to get a certain card, etc.

Football games have a TON more variables. So until recently people weren’t able to calculate the probabilities quickly and efficiently. However, with modern technology and high powered computers that scientists could only dream of decades ago, its possible to calculate win/loss probabilities in a football game within seconds.

I’m literally writing this post on my iPhone. This iPhone is a computer that is thousands times more powerful than the desktop computer I owned in the 90’s.

Now people can use this computing power to understand if a particular decision makes them mathematically more likely to win or not, and people can’t understand why a coach should at least have that information available to them?

I feel like im taking crazy pills trying to explain why this can be helpful to a coach.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If we hired a coach that used analytics, Spaggs would talk about how great it was. If the Cowboys do it, its great and how all teams should do it

1000%

 

[HungryLion]

The value of the data is to help make the most informed decision possible.

Lol you just managed to sum up what I have spent post after post, paragraph after paragraph trying to explain, and you did it in one sentence.

talk about efficiency. Lol

 

[vlad]

And Shan was acting like Gandhi with all his anger.

Not following this one - flew right over my head...care to explain?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Not following this one - flew right over my head...care to explain?

Apparently Ghandi was a known warmonger.

 

[KeepinTime]

We would be discussing how good Jason was last week had we won lol..

I wouldn’t go that far. A lot of us would love to see JG gone as soon as it makes sense to send him out the door. Just his game management skills (or lack thereof) should have made a case for his firing a few years ago.

 

[cern]

Probability based decision making has been used for a long time in other games. Card games for example. Because people could calculate the probabilities of when to hit or stay, how likely they were to get a certain card, etc.

Football games have a TON more variables. So until recently people weren’t able to calculate the probabilities quickly and efficiently. However, with modern technology and high powered computers that scientists could only dream of decades ago, its possible to calculate win/loss probabilities in a football game within seconds.

I’m literally writing this post on my iPhone. This iPhone is a computer that is thousands times more powerful than the desktop computer I owned in the 90’s.

Now people can use this computing power to understand if a particular decision makes them mathematically more likely to win or not, and people can’t understand why a coach should at least have that information available to them?

I feel like im taking crazy pills trying to explain why this can be helpful to a coach.

I used to own 2 coltan mines in Brazil. They were part of an estate settlement my wife was settling after her parents passed away. I didn't know that much about the biz but began reading everything I could and ended up realizing the value of tantalum capacitors. After a year of making improvements I sold them to amg for a fortune. Knowledge is power.

 

[G2]

Not a huge fan of Mickey, but two washed up receivers spouting doesn't mean anything.