Tank Lawrence ranked 51 in sacks this season

robjay04

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Lawrence has consistently popped off the film over the last 6-8 weeks. Of course fans look at sack numbers and in many cases justifiably so but he has been our best player on defense over the last month for people that watch the games.
 

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Misleading, he's not having a bad year. It's just one of those years he's just not getting there, it happens to even the elites. He has the pressures/hurries, and is great against the run.

So you have a stat there to reply to the OP on where he ranks in QB pressures?
 

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You obviously want sacks, but it doesn't tell the whole story - if he's opening things up for Quinn to get to the QB, why complain? It's not like he's god awful either, again, he has the pressures and hurries, he's great against the run - I can go through and point out multiple DEs that have these random seasons where they just can't get to the QB and their sacks are down.

JJ Watt went from 20.5 sacks in 2011 to 10.5 sacks in 2012. Obviously D-Law isn't JJ Watt, but you get the point - this stuff happens. I'd agree with you if it seemed he wasn't making an impact anywhere, but he's still impacting the game in a major way.

Doesn't matter what the excuses are, you gotta do better than 5 sacks when you are being paid 20M a year to get them.
 

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only if you're simple minded and lack any semblance of critical thinking.
And they get no turnovers and can't stop the run, so in the end he can turn water into wine this D still sucks and he still not getting sacks
 

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Dlaw was playing for that big dollar long term contract, the past couple of years, so how much does that play in factor this year, and he had the shoulder surgery which the long sustaining injury was supposedly bothersome when he was still producing the 10 digit sacks years.

But now ? ... is it still a recovery mode with the shoulder ? or has there been a let up ?

and those who want to fish out the " double-team" excuse can please spare me, as the more elite ones find a way to consistently beat those blocks,.. and still produce.
that's what makes out a true war daddy,.. that enforcer that not only keeps up the 10 digit sacks, but comes thru in the clutch, final deciding drives when we need
those critical stops to end the game.

It's been a disappointing season for the recently re-signed Dlaw, and time will tell if this season will be the only bump in the road vs future years to come.
 

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Being able to disrupt plays, hurry a QB, pressure a QB is just as important and sometimes those things don't show up on the stats sheets.

That was what Dallas lost in Tyrone Crawford; not a lot of stats, but the dirty work he did inside really helped others guys put up stats

Not true, and this continues to be one of the biggest myths and cliche's people want to keep continuing, because they obviously keep hearing it all over and it sounds good. ..

Hurries and "Almost Anthony " pressures will NEVER be just as important as Sacks.
You're just not likely to get that sack on every series and as often as you could that hurry.

But if it came down to the final drive of the game ,.. and final play of the game of an opponent, to decide the final SCORE ....or Be Stopped preventing that score
- you should always vie for that sack vs a hurry ,to which we constantly see highlights of QBs scrambling away from " Hurries" to throw that game winning deciding TD downfield for that winning score.

But when your war daddy gets that drive killing Sack,.. the whistle blows that play dead, .. there is no 50-50 chance for a hurry or improvising play, .. game over !

and if you are seeing double digits sacks stats from a player, you know the hurries and pressures are right there too.
 

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Doesn't matter what the excuses are, you gotta do better than 5 sacks when you are being paid 20M a year to get them.

No, you don't. Again, folks, this stuff happens to even the BEST pass rushers - the attention is going to D-Law and the pressure/hurries ranking was already posted in this thread.

And what are you even talking about? There are great pass rushers in this league that are absolutely terrible in nearly every other category. D-Law is playing great against the run, has high pressure/hurries while having the focus on him and opening things up for Quinn (who sucks against the run)

Yes, ideally, he would have 10+ sacks, but to pretend like D-Law is some ghost out there is inaccurate and lazy.
 

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Dlaw was playing for that big dollar long term contract, the past couple of years, so how much does that play in factor this year, and he had the shoulder surgery which the long sustaining injury was supposedly bothersome when he was still producing the 10 digit sacks years.

But now ? ... is it still a recovery mode with the shoulder ? or has there been a let up ?

and those who want to fish out the " double-team" excuse can please spare me, as the more elite ones find a way to consistently beat those blocks,.. and still produce.
that's what makes out a true war daddy,.. that enforcer that not only keeps up the 10 digit sacks, but comes thru in the clutch, final deciding drives when we need
those critical stops to end the game.

It's been a disappointing season for the recently re-signed Dlaw, and time will tell if this season will be the only bump in the road vs future years to come.

Show me the elite pass rushers beating "those blocks"? Provide evidence. Even the best pass rushers in this league struggle when they have the offense focusing on them.
 

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Lol, Lawrence is not far off from Quinn and has a higher sample size.

The guy is Top 10 in negative plays (sacks + TFL), despite facing a high percentage of double teams and still winning those snaps.

I think all of this criticism boiled down is just consternation that he doesn’t have a nice double digit sack number to stare at.

People act as if he had 20 sacks last season. He had 14 in 2017 and 10.5 in 2018. He's a good pass rusher, but he's a great all-around player and that's why he is getting paid.

People think Quinn is doing better, but the dude is trash against the run.
 

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look great players have down stat years but doesnt mean they are playing bad..stop looking at money it happens all over sports

Mack 6.5 Vmiller 6

thats some big names with big deals all in Tanks area.. we all hope for monster stats from our core stars but there are hidden reasons for stuff like this..im not worried...they are signed for the long haul and will bounce back
 

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If you want to see a player Tank resembles, it's Jadeveon Clowney who will most likely get a similar contract to D-Law.
 

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Show me the elite pass rushers beating "those blocks"? Provide evidence. Even the best pass rushers in this league struggle when they have the offense focusing on them.

Will do, in due time, (even though I think you'll dispute that as well) and with these elite rushers it's not about this one game or two, DLaw has been struggling all year long especially for a guy
that's on the edge, who gets more maneuver freedom than the interior guys (ala A. Donaldson)

and i tend to dispute if DLaw is eve getting double teamed as much as some say, and it just seems like he's just not beating most of these one on one blocks
as he did the last two years...(while coincidentally sweating it all out in playing for that pending big contract)

and i guess we can both dispute what likely has caused this down year for that. (shoulder ?. motivation? )
 

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Misleading, he's not having a bad year. It's just one of those years he's just not getting there, it happens to even the elites. He has the pressures/hurries, and is great against the run.
He's currently the 2nd highest rated Dallas cowboys player on PFF, the only person barely ahead of him is Zack Martin who freaking makes the all-pro team every year even (his rookie one).

D-Law is having a great year. He's get flack only because his first 5 games he started slow (last 7 have been more his old form)
 

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Will do, in due time, (even though I think you'll dispute that as well) and with these elite rushers it's not about this one game or two, DLaw has been struggling all year long especially for a guy
that's on the edge, who gets more maneuver freedom than the interior guys (ala A. Donaldson)

and i tend to dispute if DLaw is eve getting double teamed as much as some say, and it just seems like he's just not beating most of these one on one blocks
as he did the last two years...(while coincidentally sweating it all out in playing for that pending big contract)

and i guess we can both dispute what likely has caused this down year for that. (shoulder ?. motivation? )

Struggling? Struggling with what? He's ranked top 12 in hurries/pressures. He has a high grade on PFF, right there with Clowney. Your argument isn't making sense here, "no motivation", yet he seems to be showing motivation as he's one of the best against the run.

And it's not as though D-Law had 20 sacks last season - he had 10.5, and he could still get close to that amount of sacks in the coming games.
 

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He's currently the 2nd highest rated Dallas cowboys player on PFF, the only person barely ahead of him is Zack Martin who freaking makes the all-pro team every year even (his rookie one).

D-Law is having a great year. He's get flack only because his first 5 games he started slow (last 7 have been more his old form)

He most likely always will here, the same way Clowney has for his career. People want the sacks, as every team does, but these players are still highly valuable. Ignoring a player while they are near the top of the league against the run is just absurd.
 

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Oh really????? Low class overhyped? So what do you fans think...guys get paid and just suck? You do know when they suck they get cut?
Well, you have to admit, ALL the turds JJ payed or extended have pretty much done squat this season over their "gota make a shown" season last year... D-Law, Zeke, Jaylon... take your pick each of these guys are as was stated, overhyped and now over paid.
 

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Well, you have to admit, ALL the turds JJ payed or extended have pretty much done squat this season over their "gota make a shown" season last year... D-Law, Zeke, Jaylon... take your pick each of these guys are as was stated, overhyped and now over paid.
Ok and what about the guys who didn’t get paid that are sucking?
 
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