The straw that will break the camel's back

[CouchCoach]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

 

[Proof]

whoa, on a quick count I see zero boogers! great job dude!

 

[cern]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

lar and philly great examples of overextending at the position.

 

[CPanther95]

I say tag him , or find a new QB. Not both.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Getting the next great QB doesn't always turn out that way.

Could you imagine trading up to get Mariota or Winston or Trubisky or Carr for example?

 

[zrinkill]

WAST

 

[Jake]

It's about which risk are you willing to take: paying Dak and losing players around him or letting him walk and hoping you don't miss in the draft.

Don't forget Jerry tried to trade up for Lynch and Cook before settling for Dak. But is Dak really good enough?

 

[Flamma]

Getting the next great QB doesn't always turn out that way.

Could you imagine trading up to get Mariota or Winston or Trubisky or Carr for example?

Agreed. It isn't easy and probably not likely. But that doesn't mean Dallas should pay great qb money to a qb that isn't.

 

[fansince68]

If we could just go ahead and lose out, we would have a better chance of having the scenario of potentially drafting a qb at the top of the draft.

 

[starfan1]

Ya I just don't know how well replace those 2 career interceptions. look in a perfect world we keep Byron and Im not necessarily on board with over paying Dak but hes been pretty good this year. You're advocating not paying Dak but paying Bridgewater. You think hes going to come cheap i doubt that. Your scenario with all due respect does nothing and i don't see Bridgewater as this huge upgrade to Dak if at all.

This teams problem are on the sidelines and the defensive side of the ball. If we dont repair that Aaron Rodgers could be under center and theyll still find ways to lose games

 

[Doomsday]

Getting the next great QB doesn't always turn out that way.

Could you imagine trading up to get Mariota or Winston or Trubisky or Carr for example?

They could have ended up with Paxton Lynch and would probably still be looking for a QB.

Jimmy said it best on the Fox morning show, you pay your QB and draft young cheap players to put around him.

 

[kskboys]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

Exactly, we do not know if Dak is the guy. And we won't know under JG. So, bring in someone else, if nothing else just to see if he's better under better tutelage. This staff under JG is notorious for making QB's look bad. Think about that. Cassell, Weeden, even Sanchez looked better elsewhere.

 

[BatteryPowered]

I keep seeing people say the Cowboys should go draft a QB better than Dak...like it's something that can be done by throwing a dart at the draft board.

Ever hear of these guys (overall pick number)?
Jamarcus Russell (#1)
Paxton Lynch (#26)
Brady Quinn (#22)
Jake Locker (#8)
Johnny Manziel (#22)
Tim Tebow (#25)
EJ Manuel (#16)
Brandon Weeden (#22)
Matt Leinart (#10)
Christian Ponder (#12)
J.P. Losman (#22)
Blaine Gabbert (#10)
Patrick Ramsey (#32)
Kyle Boller (#19)
David Carr (#1)
Josh Rosen (#10)
Joey Harrington (#3)
Josh Freeman (#17)
Jason Campbell (#25)
Byron Leftwich (#7)

That's 20 first round picks...I would take none of them over Dak. If picking an above average (forget great) QB was easy, all 32 teams would have at least one.

 

[Silverstar]

Can you imagine Jerry luring Riley over to Dallas and then Tua just falls in our laps because of his hip injury.

Yeah I know, I know it's a crazy out of this world dream scenario that will never happen because.........

 

[Vanilla2]

This is where I would expect to see the how much is dak making just by being a cowboy and how should that affect his pay argument even though it’s a different situation than what we had with 21’s contract. Maybe i have missed it but I don’t think Iv e seen it being made. I don’t want this team to end up in a situation like this have in Maryland with the skids.

so with that I think you pay Prescott hoping he’s smart enough to understand some of that extra money can be spent elsewhere to help build the team knowing that this probably isn’t his last contract. And if he’s not gonna take a little less I think the contract can be structured to protect the team just in case he flops. I don’t think he will but you never know.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

Let's keep "Field Goaling" with Prescott baby!
America's team must accept "Mediocrity" simply because Life is not a sure thing!
OMG, how much is the going rate to work for Dak's PR office?????

P.S. Getting tired of our team getting abused and embarrassed by mid to top tier teams in the league!!!!!

 

[BoysForLife]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

Maybe one of the most well thought out, insightful contributions I've read on this forum in a long time, regardless of which side of the debate you are on.

Good job CC

 

[CowboysRule]

Letting Dak go would be a gamble. Dak isn't super amazing, but he's a good quarterback he just has his limitations (like not being able to throw a pass when taking a snap from under center without play-action). He needs pieces around him. If you over pay to the point where you can't afford the pieces around him, then you might as well let him go. He NEEDS those pieces. He can't take a team with lackluster talent and generate wins like say a Tony Romo did for so many years here. We need to go back to playing offense more like those first few games. Maybe a little less Witten on the field might help as well...maybe. With the talent we have on offense I just don't understand why it is so hard for this team to score points when we get down in the red zone.

I don't think losing Byron Jones would hurt as much as some think. He's a good corner but he's going to cost a lot to keep and while he is good, he is not a playmaker. I feel that Lewis could fill that spot admirably, I just don't know if Richard will give him the chance (assuming he is still here). Awuzie could definitely use upgrading, he's been awful. We have the cap room to keep everyone we would really want to keep as least for this year. If came down to choosing between Cooper and Prescott I think I would lean towards Cooper honestly. Prescott looked like absolute garbage before he got here. He'd make less than a QB and I'd rather be tied to a good WR than an average-on-his-own QB long term.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Let's usher in the Clayton Thorson era and bring in Reggie Begelton from the Stampeders. That'll save some money.

 

[Future]

If this thread is based on the premise that Prescott is not a Tier 1 QB - then it absolutely is a Dak Prescott thread.

There aren't 5 quarterbacks in the league better than him right now.