Dak Is/Isn’t A Franchise QB Thread

[75boyz]

Use your eyes man. Folks need to stop letting numbers think for them...


If you didnt watch the game on Thursday and you checked the box score, you would think Dak played well.

It truly is so weird. Your statement is so true. Look at the box score stats from the Bills game.
It’s the exact same story. The Bears and Bills game were one in the same. And same as the Patriot game. Did you actually watch the Bills game with your eyes or did the end of game stat numbers do some sort of blind blurring of what was actually seen on the field? Seriously...Prescott can’t have this many distant relatives or forum members on his pay roll. It’s comical this blindness. He’s throwing grounders. High. High and behind. Mostly behind. His footwork and wind up still look shot.
How can this genuinely not be discussed as happening? It’s happening constantly now. Not every so often. All the time. Not sure what’s left to say to those not acknowledging it.
Is this just some acceptable norm that is a given when discussing his ability or lack thereof...Truly bewildered at this point.

 

[Qcard]

And Hall of Famers Marshall Faulk and Shannon Sharpe basically called him a bum

Yep...so how long have you been a Bronco, Colts and Rams fanSo dillusioned you'd listen to players that have hated the Cowboys their entire career.

Ps. Shannon has changed his tune on Dak anyway

 

[Qcard]

It truly is so weird. Your statement is so true. Look at the box score stats from the Bills game.
It’s the exact same story. The Bears and Bills game were one in the same. And same as the Patriot game. Did you actually watch the Bills game with your eyes or did the end of game stat numbers do some sort of blind blurring of what was actually seen on the field? Seriously...Prescott can’t have this many distant relatives or forum members on his pay roll. It’s comical this blindness. He’s throwing grounders. High. High and behind. Mostly behind. His footwork and wind up still look shot.
How can this genuinely not be discussed as happening? It’s happening constantly now. Not every so often. All the time. Not sure what’s left to say to those not acknowledging it.
Is this just some acceptable norm that is a given when discussing his ability or lack thereof...Truly bewildered at this point.

Look at the boxscore against playoff teams....or is it just winning teams during the season....
QBs are judge over a long sample not your 2-3 games over a season...

Get real!!

 

[Captain-Crash]

It truly is so weird. Your statement is so true. Look at the box score stats from the Bills game.
It’s the exact same story. The Bears and Bills game were one in the same. And same as the Patriot game. Did you actually watch the Bills game with your eyes or did the end of game stat numbers do some sort of blind blurring of what was actually seen on the field? Seriously...Prescott can’t have this many distant relatives or forum members on his pay roll. It’s comical this blindness. He’s throwing grounders. High. High and behind. Mostly behind. His footwork and wind up still look shot.
How can this genuinely not be discussed as happening? It’s happening constantly now. Not every so often. All the time. Not sure what’s left to say to those not acknowledging it.
Is this just some acceptable norm that is a given when discussing his ability or lack thereof...Truly bewildered at this point.

naw not bewildering. Dak is their anti-romo hope. no matter how bad he plays it's because of romo. lmao. sad, just sad.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Yep...so how long have you been a Bronco, Colts and Rams fanSo dillusioned you'd listen to players that have hated the Cowboys their entire career.

Ps. Shannon has changed his tune on Dak anyway

Lol youre doubling down on your stupidity I see

citing two former cowboys as if their words are gospel is hilarious

Troy also called Dakota out on his stat-padding. What do you have to say about that

 

[morat1959]

These are the quarterbacks the Cowboys have started at least once since Troy Aikman retired. They were supposed to be the heir and continue our storied history of great quarterbacks leading the Cowboys to great seasons and championship seasons. Aikman never put up lofty stats but, he just won. After this list I'll point out why I did.
Quincy Carter
Anthony Wright
Ryan Leaf
Clint Stoerner
Chad Hutchinson
Vinny Testeverde
Drew Henson
Drew Bledsoe
Tony Romo
Brad Johnson
Jon Kitna
Stephen McGee
Kyle Orton
Brandon Weeden
Matt Cassel
Kellen Moore
Dak Prescott

This is since 2000. To put this in perspective, since 2001 Tom Brady (with the exception of injury having Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett filling in) has been the starting quarterback for the Patriots. We all know what the Patriots have accomplished during Brady's tenure as their starting QB.
If we're to finally have a QB that will be the face and future of the Cowboys, the powers that be have to make a decision. First, get rid of Jason Garrett as HC. Second, trade up with whichever team finishes last. Third, draft Joe Burrow and in no uncertain terms tell him he has the reigns for the next 15 or so years. Build a team around and for him just like we did around and for Troy Aikman. If you didn't watch the SEC Championship game you should have. He's just that good. Dak might have some big stats but, when you're behind trying to catch up and having to throw 50 times a game, you're going to pad your stats. Great stats don't always equal wins. With all the talent we have on this team we're only 6-7. Why? Garrett? Jones? There are a number of reasons but, one glaring reason to me is that we need that quarterback that will consistently be there and will win. Joe Burrow is that quarterback.
Meredith, Morton, Staubach, White, Aikman... (Burrow hopefully).

Yes he is!

 

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[Qcard]

Lol youre doubling down on your stupidity I see

citing two former cowboys as if their words are gospel is hilarious

Troy also called Dakota out on his stat-padding. What do you have to say about that

Yet you're doubling down on your ignorance by citing words from former
NON -Cowboy players. You left Stupidville a long time ago now you reside in ignorant bliss where people who played their careers trying to destroy the carry more weight

 

[WillieBeamen]

Yet you're doubling down on your ignorance by citing words from former
NON -Cowboy players. You left Stupidville a long time ago now you reside in ignorant bliss where people who played their careers trying to destroy the carry more weight

LOL what homer-driven nonsense


Faulk actually was training Zeke while he was in Cabo, but he has a bias against the Cowboys? For what reason?

respond more. I enjoy a good laugh

 

[black label]

And Hall of Famers Marshall Faulk and Shannon Sharpe basically called him a bum

 

[john van brocklin]

Please keep it within the guidelines.

Whats a franchise quarterback?
He gives us solid play at the position.

 

[Qcard]

LOL what homer-driven nonsense


Faulk actually was training Zeke while he was in Cabo, but he has a bias against the Cowboys? For what reason?

respond more. I enjoy a good laugh

So Marshall Faulk opinion carries more weight because he trained Zeke in Cabo....Zeke is having his worst year

You are a troll...Marshall sabotage Zeke

 

[75boyz]

Look at the boxscore against playoff teams....or is it just winning teams during the season....
QBs are judge over a long sample not your 2-3 games over a season...

Get real!!

So in my sample of 60 games I saw a promising start in 2016 as a complimentary game manager when afforded a dominant run game and dynamic, “possibly” generational type running back. But whose mechanics and footwork were still an issue as they had been when first drafted.

In 2017 I saw a saw a steep regression when left tackle problems were presented and the loss of his RB produced an inability to score at all during a 3 game stretch of historically bad Cowboys offensive ineptitude reared it’s ugly head that so painstakingly obvious that his abilities might not be the franchise type model whose individual talent can mask over many other team warts.

In 2018 after a cluster flock think tank failure of wide receiver by committee failed, I saw his play improve somewhat in passing efficiency with a supposed bonafide number one receiver brought to the team to rescue the passing woes. Uptick in performance level noted but inability to score tds in red zone areas and lack of consistent accuracy still showing unless he was checking it down or dinking and dunking.

2019 started with huge expectations and improvements in footwork and deep pass passing percentage and the skeptics were hopeful. The national media started a narrative that Dak had not faced any good defenses and got good stats early against bad teams and lost the games against winning teams and got stats in garbage time against prevent defenses. Along the way he had two outliers, he didn’t play great against a poor Jets team that the Cowboys had ”previously beaten all the poor teams” and he played pretty well in a loss to the Vikings who have a decent defense. So, that was the mark of his ongoing inconsistency. Now it’s evolved into consistent. As in consistently bad. Whose same mechanics and footwork have returned from his rookie year as well as loathsome accuracy. If you say his second half of the Bears game is a good half. You truly need your eyes checked.

There’s my sample size. Get real.

 

[WillieBeamen]

So Marshall Faulk opinion carries more weight because he trained Zeke in Cabo....Zeke is having his worst year

You are a troll...Marshall sabotage Zeke

Man you arent good at this


You claimed non-Cowboys have a bias towards to the Cowboys.

I respond by reminding you that Faulk helped Zeke stay in shape during his holdout which contradicts your claim.

You respond by saying he sabotaged Zeke

 

[gjkoeppen]

Again, you can't actually quote me where I suggested it's an exact science. That quote doesn't even remotely imply it either. You know what else is hard to do? Finding a Super Bowl winning coach. But that excuse isn't going to keep Garrett here, now is it?

Get back to me when you find a quote to what you think I implied. I'll wait. "Called you on it" - what you think I said doesn't exist, you know it doesn't, which is why the very quote you used doesn't even fit what you claimed I implied.

NEXT!

Once again I'll quote you and maybe because you have the reasoning powers of a 2nd grader you probably don't even understand what you wrote.

"Here we go again with the "It's too hard though!" - Loser teams complain about this. It's "hard" to find a QB if your organization is trash. Good organizations find their franchise QB, whether it's through the draft or FA."

And again you're whining that some people use "it's too hard" and THAT is your implication that it's easy. And then there's your good QB's can be gotten in free agency. Please name all the franchise QB's that were able to sign with any team as a free agent other than Cousins. Again your very limited NFL knowledge coming through loud and clear.
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[Qcard]

Man you arent good at this


You claimed non-Cowboys have a bias towards to the Cowboys.

I respond by reminding you that Faulk helped Zeke stay in shape during his holdout which contradicts your claim.

You respond by saying he sabotaged Zeke

Actually, I am pretty good at this because I can look at my previous posts and recall I said nothing about "bias" ( that is something your feeble mind conjured up)

I stated clearly that Jimmy and Troy's opinion "carries more weight" about the Cowboys than Marshall (celebrity trainer) and Shannon (on the same Skip Bayless promotion plan as Stephen A).

Carry more weight does not equal bias.....

Just the fact that you think "Off-season Hold out Training" can keep you in football shape is laughable

Let me guess you must have also thought Romo's leadership trip in Cabo also kept the team in "shape"

 

[khiladi]

It truly is so weird. Your statement is so true. Look at the box score stats from the Bills game.
It’s the exact same story. The Bears and Bills game were one in the same. And same as the Patriot game. Did you actually watch the Bills game with your eyes or did the end of game stat numbers do some sort of blind blurring of what was actually seen on the field? Seriously...Prescott can’t have this many distant relatives or forum members on his pay roll. It’s comical this blindness. He’s throwing grounders. High. High and behind. Mostly behind. His footwork and wind up still look shot.
How can this genuinely not be discussed as happening? It’s happening constantly now. Not every so often. All the time. Not sure what’s left to say to those not acknowledging it.
Is this just some acceptable norm that is a given when discussing his ability or lack thereof...Truly bewildered at this point.

4 of Dallas first six drives were THREE AND OUTS.

and you wonder why our defense couldn’t stop the Bears in the second half, when our offense kept handing the ball right back to them. They were tired.

 

[Qcard]

So in my sample of 60 games I saw a promising start in 2016 as a complimentary game manager when afforded a dominant run game and dynamic, “possibly” generational type running back. But whose mechanics and footwork were still an issue as they had been when first drafted.

Yet Dak was voted Offensive Rookie of the Year by players, coaches and the media. Don't you think they saw the same player...
16 game sample and 77.5 QBR is playoff game....?
Dak was under drafted...unless you think Goff and Wentz are better.....

In 2017 I saw a saw a steep regression when left tackle problems were presented and the loss of his RB produced an inability to score at all during a 3 game stretch of historically bad Cowboys offensive ineptitude reared it’s ugly head that so painstakingly obvious that his abilities might not be the franchise type model whose individual talent can mask over many other team warts.

Shocker a QB can't function without a good supporting cast...
ALL QBs need a good supporting cast....coach and players....

There isn't any QB that can "Mask" a teams warts. This is fallacy....

Brady needs Belichick and whichever great WR they hope to find...

Aaron needed a great defense to win his sole Superbowl...that was Charles Woodson team..

2018 after a cluster flock think tank failure of wide receiver by committee failed, I saw his play improve somewhat in passing efficiency with a supposed bonafide number one receiver brought to the team to rescue the passing woes. Uptick in performance level noted but inability to score tds in red zone areas and lack of consistent accuracy still showing unless he was checking it down or dinking and dunking.

Pro Bowl selection....voted by players and coaches...these are facts..

2019 started with huge expectations and improvements in footwork and deep pass passing percentage and the skeptics were hopeful. The national media started a narrative that Dak had not faced any good defenses and got good stats early against bad teams and lost the games against winning teams and got stats in garbage time against prevent defenses. Along the way he had two outliers, he didn’t play great against a poor Jets team that the Cowboys had ”previously beaten all the poor teams” and he played pretty well in a loss to the Vikings who have a decent defense. So, that was the mark of his ongoing inconsistency. Now it’s evolved into consistent. As in consistently bad. Whose same mechanics and footwork have returned from his rookie year as well as loathsome accuracy. If you say his second half of the Bears game is a good half. You truly need your eyes checked.

There’s my sample size. Get real.

Dak's QBR against proven winning teams after the season is OVER.... They are called playoff teams is 75.5 QBR

Don't get caught up in the fluctuating talking points of media and tv producers....there primary job is to sell commercial space not truthfully evaluate the game

 

[75boyz]

4 of Dallas first six drives were THREE AND OUTS.

and you wonder why our defense couldn’t stop the Bears in the second half, when our offense kept handing the ball right back to them. They were tired.

It's like some disease that is not even limited to the Cowboys organization but the fan base as well.
Lack of accountability virus. Just deflect it to whatever other narrative you deem appropriate so as to protect your personal agenda.

There are plenty of blame balls to be tossed around like a hot potato no doubt.
To include the roles of GM and HC to share in the blame of this overall dysfunction.

But you better believe that the guy touching the ball for every single offensive snap is most definitely at fault and accountable for how poorly this offense is playing.

That blame ball changes with the wind around here, there's just that one "thou shalt not touch Dak" group that's been infected with the same lack of accountability virus as the Front Office has.

Hopefully it's not terminal.

 

[mattjames2010]

Once again I'll quote you and maybe because you have the reasoning powers of a 2nd grader you probably don't even understand what you wrote.

"Here we go again with the "It's too hard though!" - Loser teams complain about this. It's "hard" to find a QB if your organization is trash. Good organizations find their franchise QB, whether it's through the draft or FA."

And again you're whining that some people use "it's too hard" and THAT is your implication that it's easy. And then there's your good QB's can be gotten in free agency. Please name all the franchise QB's that were able to sign with any team as a free agent other than Cousins. Again your very limited NFL knowledge coming through loud and clear.
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Apparently, you have the "reasoning powers of a 2nd grader" - because the context was already given in other comments.

> Implication that it's easy

The implication IS NOT there, you are adding that...even though the context has already been given. Before responding to me, read the comments, boy. Nobody is disputing finding a franchise QB is hard, you still with me? The great organizations in this league do not SETTLE ON MEDIOCRITY EVEN THOUGH IT IS HARD - you still with me? Probably not, but let's keep going, and hopefully you read that a few more times.

Now, try to claim I said it's easy - with you THINKING I implied that. If you can't find the quote, admit you were wrong and be on your way. Not settling for mediocrity =/= easy - don't attempt to quote me, boy, and then get it wrong and then get snarky with me because you realize you were wrong.

NEXT!