Trent Dilfer on Jason Garrett

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LOL, what's so hard to understand? If you had a boss who made it impossible for you to do your job, and you had the opportunity to take basically the same job at another company where you could do your job, why wouldn't you take it?

How does that question not make sense?

we the fans say, argue and debate the case about jerry meddling. I have had difficult bosses, but sometimes you just work through. or think, this is the way it is.....if we wanted to quit a job for everytime we had a disagreement or didn't like how something was said or done by our bosses, then we would have 1000 jobs during our careers...….we all know. we all see it.... its obvious as has now recently been said by many in the media and even in the past..... Jerry meddles. but do the coaches who work with Jerry say and feel the same way? as far as they are concerned, its the way the job and the organization is...its the way the working relationship is..... they are not complaining....you are trying to make this seem as if Garrett is unhappy with Jerry and he is frustrated with Jerry and that he dislikes jerry and thus he should quit his job.....there has been coaches who have done that...ala parcells, when he just couldn't work with jerry and he quit....there are coaches who get fired, because they just don't get along with the GM....some coaches find success elsewhere, some don't....but we all know and agree that Jerry Meddles and his meddlesomeness is problematic for any coach who has been here since Johnson.....as far as garrett is concerned...he is doing what he thinks is the best thing, doing the job the best he can....its not good enough. we all agree, but he is not loudly complaining, like parcells who complained that if you are going to do the cooking, then you should be able to shop for the groceries.....

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But what if your relationship with your boss and members of the family was more than employer/employee? Take a really good look at Garrett at a pc with Booger & Son when he and the son bracket Booger. Tell me which one is looking at him like a son.

It's not just a family run business, Garrett has been adopted into the family. His wife is best friends with Booger's daughter, Boogerette.

So Garrett is hamstrung and can't possibly do his job... but when he has a chance to free himself from the Jerry shackles, he's powerless to do that too because his boss really likes him?

Or he's just too nice to do so? Even though it's tarnishing his career?

Man, that Jason Garrett. Like my sig once said, he's not just a great (but held down by the owner, of course) coach, he's also probably the most virtuous human being ever.

 

[Staubacher]

Wow! This shows those in the league know more about the man he is behind the scenes.

Players not mentioned I see. That's more important than the good ol boys club

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Don't go off on a tangent. I never said I was giving Jerry credit. I simply said that for all this talk about Garrett building the lines, it's just not backed up by the facts. He wanted Floyd in 2013 and in 2012 we took a CB at #6 after training up. You know how many OL we took in 2012? None...zero....zilch. And knowing that we took no OL in 2012, you'd think Garrett would be on board with grabbing an OL in 2013? Nope, he wants the "best player on our board", Floyd, so he and TC throw a hissy fit for trading down.

And I'll say this. Jimmy controlled the draft and picked who he wanted. He was the last HC to have full control of this team. I do agree with your point on Parcells.

I never said it was a perfect process. ….but at least its a process that has helped rebuild some of the talent on this team. with Wade, it was scatter shooting as opposed to drafting.,....draft is not dictated by one person (well, it was back in campo and wade time), but with scouts, coaches, GM, etc. they all have input, opinion, etc. they present and they make a decision as a group, not a single individual and often that turns better results than not.....but we can't deny that there was a focus in our drafts to draft OL men....but that doesn't mean we have to draft one every year in the 1st and 2nd round, doesn't mean we hit on everyone and doesn't mean you have to reach for one if value is not there....

and regardless of wanting Floyd...… or not...he wanted a DT....same philosophy as building the lines, since our DL was weak.....now, like I said, you are not going to hit on all, but certainly if you remember at that time, most of this board complained why not take Floyd, our defense was not that good.....again, Floyd may have turned out to be not a good DT, but at the time during the draft he was rated as a first rounder....at that point of the draft you don't have the crytal ball that you have today...and again going back to my point that its a process that involves everyone, garrett, scouts, GM, coaches......and the process worked...

also don't forget how we got criticized for reaching for a center and drafting him in the first and that he could have been had in the second, including my many on this very board....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

LOL, what's so hard to understand? If you had a boss who made it impossible for you to do your job, and you had the opportunity to take basically the same job at another company where you could do your job, why wouldn't you take it?

How does that question not make sense?

yes, from your view. my view...... if I FELT that my boss was impossible I would quit...but If I don't feel that way and just dealing with a situation (although others may see it differently) with my boss that may not be horrible...


so the point is Garrett may not feel that Jerry is impossible. he is dealing with a GM. its the way it is. its the way it works....you deal with each situation, each problem and move forward...but YOU, ME, FANS, MEDIA all can clearly see jerry meddling and see it as the root of the problem...….it also depends on your tolerance on how you deal with a meddling boss....Parcells couldn't....Wade and Campo were run over, garrett is managing it to some degree and losing ground each year...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So Garrett is hamstrung and can't possibly do his job... but when he has a chance to free himself from the Jerry shackles, he's powerless to do that too because his boss really likes him?

Or he's just too nice to do so? Even though it's tarnishing his career?

Man, that Jason Garrett. Like my sig once said, he's not just a great (but held down by the owner, of course) coach, he's also probably the most virtuous human being ever.

your view is that garrett knows and thinks he is shackled....the point is that he may not feel that...but we as outsiders, see it....now the media is openly speaking and criticizing....its no secret....

 

[Chocolate Lab]

to the point is Garrett may not feel that Jerry is impossible. he is dealing with a GM. its the way it is. its the way it works....you deal with each situation, each problem and move forward...but YOU, ME, FANS, MEDIA all can clearly see jerry meddling and see it as the root of the problem.

So you and the other Garrett fans clearly see that it's impossible to succeed with Jerry as GM... but Jason Garrett, the one who is actually working for Jerry every day and knows better than any of us, can't see it?

And we're right and he's wrong?

How can you guys even claim this stuff?.

 

[Valkyr]

Why would Garrett ever leave here voluntarily? You have his total lack of post-season success and yet you still have the empty-headed nincompoop owner on the verge of tears at the thought of firing you.

He's got it made here like no one else.

 

[tyke1doe]

Actually he’s best suited for HC. His number one trait is communication and leadership which is most important role of HC rather than coordinator.

I think he honestly could succeed his mentor Saban at Alabama and crush it. His leadership would translate most to the college level. Plus he’s actually really smart at X’s and O’s. He just chooses to be risk adverse which can cost you in big games.

Uh, no. He would not crush it at Alabama. That's like saying Garrett would be able to take over for Belichick and crush it for New England.
What Saban has done at Alabama is a once-in-a-generation phenomenon.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The speaking was mentioned many times in this thread, starting with #10.

But I'm glad Trent Dilfer's opinion outweighs two playoff wins in ten years for you.

Saying that other people respect Garrett is not an opinion. Either they do or not. Dilfer actually has contacts in NFL offices or he doesn't. If he does then would be able to make that claim.

 

[droopdog7]

Most fans are simply too emotional when it comes to Garrett that their judgement about him is completely clouded and unreliable. We've heard it said more than once that Garrett would very likely get an immediate offer to be a HC elsewhere. Some choose not to believe it or make fun of the idea but it does show how Garrett is viewed from an objective perspective.

Garrett has not gotten the team to the promise land and I agree that this fact is enough to fire the him under the circumstances. But I also feel that we could end up doing A LOT worse the next time. Fans calling Garrett terrible (he isn't) just plain can't be taken seriously. Fans commenting on strategy or even game management don't have the slightest clue.

Ultimately the coach is judged by the final outcome and in my view Jones should part ways with Garrett unless he makes the SB. That's the bar for me.

Unlike a lot of fans though, I am rooting for the team to make the SB. I'm not conflicted by wanting the coach to fail.

 

[CATCH17]

..guys like Campo were horrible but I was excited and hoping still. It now just feels like Groundhog Day which makes me do things I'd never do in the past..."yeah lets take the kids somewhere despite the game being on."

I think you hit the nail on the head. With Garrett it just feels hopeless and that is the point of hiring a new coach at the point.

Dallas needs something to re-enegerize the fan base and players because right now we're all just sitting around waiting for something bad to happen because it always does.

This year took the cake though. With the roster we have there is no way we should be 7-7 and have lost to some of these teams we've lost to.


We need change and we someone that brings back some excitement and hope.

We had Parcells, then we had Romo, then we had Dak and Zeke.. Right now we have nothing.

 

[Dodger12]

I never said it was a perfect process. ….but at least its a process that has helped rebuild some of the talent on this team. with Wade, it was scatter shooting as opposed to drafting.,....draft is not dictated by one person (well, it was back in campo and wade time), but with scouts, coaches, GM, etc. they all have input, opinion, etc. they present and they make a decision as a group, not a single individual and often that turns better results than not.....but we can't deny that there was a focus in our drafts to draft OL men....but that doesn't mean we have to draft one every year in the 1st and 2nd round, doesn't mean we hit on everyone and doesn't mean you have to reach for one if value is not there....

and regardless of wanting Floyd...… or not...he wanted a DT....same philosophy as building the lines, since our DL was weak.....now, like I said, you are not going to hit on all, but certainly if you remember at that time, most of this board complained why not take Floyd, our defense was not that good.....again, Floyd may have turned out to be not a good DT, but at the time during the draft he was rated as a first rounder....at that point of the draft you don't have the crytal ball that you have today...and again going back to my point that its a process that involves everyone, garrett, scouts, GM, coaches......and the process worked...

also don't forget how we got criticized for reaching for a center and drafting him in the first and that he could have been had in the second, including my many on this very board....

It's obvious that we wanted OL and drafted some high in the draft. I don't disagree with that. I do disagree with the premise that it was some sort of master plan by Garrett and you have very little, if anything, to back that up other than your belief that it's how the Cowboys operate.

 

[Dre11]

Hurt my gut from laughing so much!!! Simple minded people are so easy to please. God bless you guys!

or low IQ people like you are clueless

 

[Dre11]

LOL.

Here comes the fence sitter.

and here comes the the hate on Dilfer crew because he said something that kills his agenda...lol

 

[DFWJC]

Wow! This shows those in the league know more about the man he is behind the scenes.

What he said is absolutely true
Its why I sayhe would have ZERO problem getting a HC job if not re-newed.

Im fine with us moving on, but just the truth here.

 

[CouchCoach]

So Garrett is hamstrung and can't possibly do his job... but when he has a chance to free himself from the Jerry shackles, he's powerless to do that too because his boss really likes him?

Or he's just too nice to do so? Even though it's tarnishing his career?

Man, that Jason Garrett. Like my sig once said, he's not just a great (but held down by the owner, of course) coach, he's also probably the most virtuous human being ever.

Not saying he would be great without the involvement of the owner, I have no idea what he would be like.

This isn't the first time an owner has been attached to a HC, Lewis resigned and Mike Brown wouldn't let him go. The Steelers have had 3 coaches in 50 years.

I don't know what kind of man Garrett is or what kind of coach for that matter but I do have evidence of Booger at the coaches' table after Elliott returned form suspension telling them to lay off on the boy, he's had a rough time. I do not think that happens on other teams.

 

[CouchCoach]

What he said is absolutely true
Its why I sayhe would have ZERO problem getting a HC job if not re-newed.

Im fine with us moving on, but just the truth here.

Some dislike him so much that they want him jobless. I wonder what would happen here if Garrett were to go to another team and do well. And his successor here would not do any better? Might they look elsewhere within the team for the real problem?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So you and the other Garrett fans clearly see that it's impossible to succeed with Jerry as GM... but Jason Garrett, the one who is actually working for Jerry every day and knows better than any of us, can't see it?

And we're right and he's wrong?

How can you guys even claim this stuff?.

I am not a garrett fan. just because I don't put all the blame on garrett and don't hate him with passion, doesn't make me a garrett fan. that's very similar argument to Dak Fans, vs. Dak Haters....its not a club!!!

and not sure why its difficult for you to see, that perhaps you may have even experienced it yourself in work or your relationships. you try to make it work, you deal with it, you may not see it, as you are trying to work through issues that may not even be big deal....while others see it clearly...

Aikman has been outspoken about Jerry lately and Jerry disagrees...he doesn't see himself that way.

and like I said, it maybe a situation that will never succeed eventually, but nobody is going to take the job and say, Jerry is difficult to work with and that I will never succeed. that would be stupid! then in that case, why take the job? in football there is no coach who ever said, I am not going to succeed and my goal isn't to win superbowls…. come on....seriously!!!

how can you claim that Jerry is not meddling with every coach he has ever worked with, more so than any other owner in football except Al Davis. like I mentioned, its not confrontational, or purposefully doing something to destroy the relationship or devastate the team, its done in good faith, but nevertheless its bad for the team. you can't tell me when a coach can't discipline his players, because Jerry doesn't allow it, that its good for the team. is that a reason to go confront Jerry and quit your job!!! its not like he is physically or mentally abusing anyone..... but it has dire consequences....I have worked in companies with this type of stuff and you work your way through it or around it. like I said, its not a cause to quit everytime something is not to your liking,

but you want to make this to, its garrett's fault for not quitting since everyone is saying Jerry is meddling and the coach sees the meddling, thus he should have quit so he is at fault for not quitting!!!! come on dude

and I can't see any coach succeed under Jerry. history of past 7 coaches tells me otherwise.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's obvious that we wanted OL and drafted some high in the draft. I don't disagree with that. I do disagree with the premise that it was some sort of master plan by Garrett and you have very little, if anything, to back that up other than your belief that it's how the Cowboys operate.

not a master plan. but a philosophy...every coach has their own philosophies....parcells liked 3-4 defense and changed the defense to 3-4 thus it impacted the draft. Garrett coming from the 90s cowboys experience perhaps valued and wanted strong DL, OL, thus his philosophy impacted the drafts. value on players and when/where they are taken is based on a team's philosophy.....