Dak summed up in a sentence and a question

[shabazz]

I am probably in the minority fro sure but I am not a huge Mahomes fan. Great at making special plays but struggles with the sustained drive. It is lucky for him that he has Kelce and Tyreek!

His throws are a thing of beauty. a talent with a big arm and makes fearless throws...........but hes no Dak Prescott

 

[Diehardblues]

Does Drew Brees elevate the lesser talent around him the way Aaron Rodgers does? Or is going to the HOF because he is so efficient?

I actually believe Rodgers elevates the talent around him more. Brees going to HOF because of his career numbers.

 

[Kaiser]

other teams took Lynch and cook higher then dak so mind that they must have also had them higher on the draft boards NOT JUST JERRY.. Dont remember where manziell went but he was drafted to start..lets not separate jerry from the rest of the nfl..it happens on a regular basis..

Exactly. First, we really don't know what Lynch would have done with different coaching and players if he was in Dallas. And if Jerry really wanted Lynch, he would have topped the Broncos offer. His comments after that draft weren't that he would forever rue not getting Lynch, just that he would wonder for a while if he should have upped his offer. At the end of the day, he didn't and the fact that Dallas had done a better scouting job with Prescott was part of that decision.

 

[Kaiser]

I actually believe Rodgers elevates the talent around him more. Brees going to HOF because of his career numbers.

That's my point. Brees has a ring and the Saints didn't give up a Wentz type of draft package to acquire him.

 

[America's Cowboy]

NFL teams do not fear or gameplan for Dak Prescott as a passer or runner in any notable way.

How much should you pay a quarterback like that?

@erod summed up in 3 letters...

DDS

(Dak Derangement Syndrome)

BOOM!!!!!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

and NE lucked into Bellechek and Brady..brady was a 6th rounder.. Bellechek was hired somewhere else and decided to walk out to NE.. a lot of luck plays into those situations..

other teams took Lynch and cook higher then dak so mind that they must have also had them higher on the draft boards NOT JUST JERRY.. Dont remember where manziell went but he was drafted to start..lets not separate jerry from the rest of the nfl..it happens on a regular basis..

Ok well let's dig into what you're saying a bit more.

NE lucked into Bellcheat. Fair enough. But they also had very good coaching prior to Parcells. Wasn't a list of Wade Phillips, Dave Campo's, Jason Garrett's coming through there. They lucked into Brady. Ok. Mind you they also found Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett....managed to get 11 wins out of Matt Cassell....seems like they know what they are doing at that position......

Your next point...

Other teams took Lynch and Cook higher than Dak. This is correct. But what were those teams?

Raiders
Bronco's.

Two teams with histories of SCREWING UP THE QUARTERBACK POSITION. John Elway can't get a quarterback to save his life. And the Raiders....they suck there too but I guess that would depend on how you feel about Carr.

Johnny Manziel....hmmmm......what genius team decided to draft him? The Cleveland Browns....are you seeing a trend here? Its the same teams over and over again screwing up quarterback lol.

 

[Diehardblues]

You could argue that. But I'm not in the business of who's more "prolific". Jay Cutler was a prolific passer. Much more than Romo was. Who were you taking though? And I Don't know what you guys see in Jared Goff. Maybe its because he gets paid a lot of money or he has a strong arm. I don't know what you guys could possibly see from him. Especially Cowboy fans. He's stunk in every game against us. Sam Darnold destroyed this defense. He couldn't even do that.



Of course you can. In the NFL you build your team with the best players possible and whatever you lack in personnel you gain with coaching. So if you are telling me that we can't win with Dak because he has to overcompesante for crap coaching on special teams(lack of field position), defense(lack of turnovers) and offense? Then I do agree. Dak is not good enough to overcome bad coaching. But I'd be careful in assuming that whoever you get next can do it. Romo couldn't do it either.

I’ve been following Goff since Cal and he’s definitely a more prolific passer . I wouldn’t base an opinion just on the games we’ve had against him.

Dak was good enough to overcome bad coaching a couple of seasons reaching the brink of a championship appearance.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

@erod summed up in 3 letters...

DDS

(Dak Derangement Syndrome)

BOOM!!!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

That's my point. Brees has a ring and the Saints didn't give up a Wentz type of draft package to acquire him.

Sure but Brees was an Elite type talent.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I’ve been following Goff since Cal and he’s definitely a more prolific passer . I wouldn’t base an opinion just on the games we’ve had against him.

Dak was good enough to overcome bad coaching a couple of seasons reaching the brink of a championship appearance.

So your opinion is based on what he did in College? Have you noticed that Goff has sucked for about a year now lol? McVey can no longer mask his incompetence and he's taking the whole team down with him. I'm a little shocked you've watched him since Cal and didn't see this potentially happen where he'd struggle in the NFL. His two biggest issues at Cal was his tendency to lock in on receivers and his mechanics under pressure. Both are still effecting him to this day.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Sure but Brees was an Elite type talent.

No one felt that way in San Diego......after drafting him in I believe the first or second round. Brees didn't become Brees until he got proper coaching.

 

[Kaiser]

Sure but Brees was an Elite type talent.

Exactly. Are the Saints complaining? The point of the OP was that you let a guy like Brees walk because you are hoping to hit on an Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Diehardblues]

So your opinion is based on what he did in College? Have you noticed that Goff has sucked for about a year now lol? McVey can no longer mask his incompetence and he's taking the whole team down with him. I'm a little shocked you've watched him since Cal and didn't see this potentially happen where he'd struggle in the NFL. His two biggest issues at Cal was his tendency to lock in on receivers and his mechanics under pressure. Both are still effecting him to this day.

That’s not what I said. You came off as basing your opinion on Goff from the games we’ve played them. I’m basing my opinion off of his entire body of work and results.

Im not sure what games you watched but he elevated a Cal team much like he has in LA. That’s my viewpoint anyway.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

That's your opinion my opinion is the Jimmy G and Wentz are franchise QB's and i would gladly pay for them
What in the hell have you seen from Jimmy G, Wentz and Goff to say they are franchise Qb's but Dak isn't? You know what I'm not gonna get in that argument. We'll just agree to disagree.

Well lets see Jimmy G is a pure Pocket passer who is 20-6 as a 49er plus he was 3-1 in the 4 games he started for the Pats, Wentz probably was the league MVP the year he tore his knee late in the season and this year he has his team one win from the playoffs playing without his top 3 WR (seriously how do you think Dak would do if you took away Cooper Gallop and Cobb from him for most of the season?) Goff is a better pocket passer than Dak that is why i said i would make the trade straight up other than that there is not much difference between him and Dak, but Dak is a much better runner

 

[Kaiser]

Brees didn't become Brees until he got proper coaching.

And reps and surrounding talent. It takes time and posters here ignore than he has always improved.

And unlike Wentz, has superior leadership skills and durability.

 

[bodi]

bus driver and not a very good one

 

[America's Cowboy]

I’ve been following Goff since Cal and he’s definitely a more prolific passer . I wouldn’t base an opinion just on the games we’ve had against him.

Dak was good enough to overcome bad coaching a couple of seasons reaching the brink of a championship appearance.

Dak was a finalist for the Heisman trophy. Goff was not.

[Published December 12, 2014]:

"Goff, who plans to watch the Heisman presentation Saturday, could be in a comparable position — well regarded but not overexposed — entering his senior season. There are numerous unknowns, of course, and they start with Goff’s whereabouts in 2016, when he’ll be eligible for the NFL draft.

If he stays in school, Goff’s candidacy will depend largely on Cal’s success, and vice versa. Mediocre teams don’t produce Heisman winners, especially when it comes to quarterbacks: If you’re not good enough to lift a team into the top 10, you’re not good enough for the hardware."

https://www-mercurynews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15774685718707&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/

This should tell you everything about Goff...and says so much more about Dak whom y'all don't appreciate.

Giving praise to Goff? Embarrassing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So if you are GM what are you paying Dak? What's the money you want?

Well, I would not be a GM because I'm probably too narrow in my view of what these guys are all worth but, if it were me, I would tag him, I would let he and his agent go out and solicit offers and I would allow them to figure out what there value is really worth in the NFL. If they receive nothing above say 30 annually for a 5 year deal with an additional club year option, then I'd discuss it with whomever the new HC would be and I'd probably still honor that deal. But end of day, and I've said this since the start of this whole thing, way back when, I'd do nothing until I had the HC stuff figured out. I see no good reason to saddle the new staff with a QB that may not fit what they want to do.

That's just my opinion.

 

[willia451]

Dak will get his money. Just like Zeke did. The Cowboys have always been a Star Power driven corporation. And Dak and Zeke give them that.

Never mind we have garbage for STs. A defense that has severe LB problems. The DB positions needs a ton of help. We need a legit one tech DT. We have a LG that is almost done. Depth on the OL is suspect as it is almost everywhere else. A number one WR that disappeared in the second half of the season and probably won't be back.

People say we have all this talent. Where is it? We're 7-8.

Plus we're going to have a new HC and probably a new DC and a few other new coaches coming in?

We're about to give 35m a year or so to Dak. Who is injured and might need surgery on his shoulder in the off season for all we know.

So where is the team that will do anything next season? Or even for the next few seasons?

Can anyone point to where it is?

We don't need to be worrying so much about 1 guy. The house is burning to the ground. Where will we live if we have no house?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Bro, look at the title of this thread and erod's opening statement describing Dak in a sentence in his opinion.

I opined and did even better by describing erod in 3 letters...

DDS.