Dak summed up in a sentence and a question

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well lets see Jimmy G is a pure Pocket passer who is 20-6 as a 49er plus he was 3-1 in the 4 games he started for the Pats, Wentz probably was the league MVP the year he tore his knee late in the season and this year he has his team one win from the playoffs playing without his top 3 WR (seriously how do you think Dak would do if you took away Cooper Gallop and Cobb from him for most of the season?) Goff is a better pocket passer than Dak that is why i said i would make the trade straight up other than that there is not much difference between him and Dak, but Dak is a much better runner

So you are going to give Jimmy the credit for all of those wins lol. His defenses aren't responsible for those games? And Jimmy has come through for them at times this year. Certainly not a situation where he's holding the team back. But 49ers are winning because of that defense. Not him.

Wentz was the front runner for MVP in 2017. His team won a Super Bowl without him....and have struggled since. Is it a coincidence they can't seem to gain that same magic that hey had in 2017? Maybe. But all I can do is go by what I've seen and 2017 seems to be a anomaly and not the standard that Wentz fans try to constantly remind us.

If Dak lost Cooper, Gallup and Cobb...he'd probably struggle just like Wentz has. Without them he's gone to overtime with the great Commanders and he's beaten a Giants team that outplayed them.

Goff has been bad. I don't think you guys know how bad he's been. He's been bad since about November of last year. And he doesn't have the excuse of having Jason Garrett as head coach.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Dak was a finalist for the Heisman trophy. Goff was not.

[Published December 12, 2014]:

"Goff, who plans to watch the Heisman presentation Saturday, could be in a comparable position — well regarded but not overexposed — entering his senior season. There are numerous unknowns, of course, and they start with Goff’s whereabouts in 2016, when he’ll be eligible for the NFL draft.

If he stays in school, Goff’s candidacy will depend largely on Cal’s success, and vice versa. Mediocre teams don’t produce Heisman winners, especially when it comes to quarterbacks: If you’re not good enough to lift a team into the top 10, you’re not good enough for the hardware."

https://www-mercurynews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15774685718707&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/

This should tell you everything about Goff...and says so much more about Dak whom y'all don't appreciate.

Giving praise to Goff? Embarrassing.

He finished 8th, and yes it's nice to be considered but he didn't make it to the final round when there are only 3 and he wasn't a finalist. Amari Cooper Melvin Gordon and Marcus Mariota were the finalists.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak will get his money. Just like Zeke did. The Cowboys have always been a Star Power driven corporation. And Dak and Zeke give them that.

Never mind we have garbage for STs. A defense that has severe LB problems. The DB positions needs a ton of help. We need a legit one tech DT. We have a LG that is almost done. Depth on the OL is suspect as it is almost everywhere else. A number one WR that disappeared in the second half of the season and probably won't be back.

People say we have all this talent. Where is it? We're 7-8.

Plus we're going to have a new HC and probably a new DC and a few other new coaches coming in?

We're about to give 35m a year or so to Dak. Who is injured and might need surgery on his shoulder in the off season for all we know.

So where is the team that will do anything next season? Or even for the next few seasons?

Can anyone point to where it is?

We don't need to be worrying so much about 1 guy. The house is burning to the ground. Where will we live if we have no house?

I keep telling people man....talent is overrated in this league. You look at some of the worst teams in this league and they have talent. You think the Browns don't have talent? But the Browns just like us are fighting bad coaching, a bad culture, sense of entitlement among other things.

 

[john van brocklin]

NFL teams do not fear or gameplan for Dak Prescott as a passer or runner in any notable way.

How much should you pay a quarterback like that?

Your opinion or a quote that you can post a link to ?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

So you are going to give Jimmy the credit for all of those wins lol. His defenses aren't responsible for those games? And Jimmy has come through for them at times this year. Certainly not a situation where he's holding the team back. But 49ers are winning because of that defense. Not him.

Wentz was the front runner for MVP in 2017. His team won a Super Bowl without him....and have struggled since. Is it a coincidence they can't seem to gain that same magic that hey had in 2017? Maybe. But all I can do is go by what I've seen and 2017 seems to be a anomaly and not the standard that Wentz fans try to constantly remind us.

If Dak lost Cooper, Gallup and Cobb...he'd probably struggle just like Wentz has. Without them he's gone to overtime with the great Commanders and he's beaten a Giants team that outplayed them.

Goff has been bad. I don't think you guys know how bad he's been. He's been bad since about November of last year. And he doesn't have the excuse of having Jason Garrett as head coach.

Your right Wentz has struggled more without them, but without them in the biggest game of the year he beat us and he has his team on the verge of the playoffs without a stellar D. Do you think it would even be close for the division had he had all his weapons the entire season? Dak had his

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak was a finalist for the Heisman trophy. Goff was not.

[Published December 12, 2014]:

"Goff, who plans to watch the Heisman presentation Saturday, could be in a comparable position — well regarded but not overexposed — entering his senior season. There are numerous unknowns, of course, and they start with Goff’s whereabouts in 2016, when he’ll be eligible for the NFL draft.

If he stays in school, Goff’s candidacy will depend largely on Cal’s success, and vice versa. Mediocre teams don’t produce Heisman winners, especially when it comes to quarterbacks: If you’re not good enough to lift a team into the top 10, you’re not good enough for the hardware."

https://www-mercurynews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15774685718707&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/

This should tell you everything about Goff...and says so much more about Dak whom y'all don't appreciate.

Giving praise to Goff? Embarrassing.

Yeah like I said man if you guys want to boost up Wentz....go for it. He at least has the MVP type season under his belt in 2017. I'm not a fan but I get it. But Goff? That one goes over my head. Even using the eye test. He just doesn't look like a winner. He doesn't command a game. He's along for the ride.

 

[America's Cowboy]

He finished 8th, and yes it's nice to be considered but he didn't make it to the final round when there are only 3 and he wasn't a finalist. Amari Cooper Melvin Gordon and Marcus Mariota were the finalists.

True. I meant Dak was among the last players considered. Goff never was.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak was a finalist for the Heisman trophy. Goff was not.

[Published December 12, 2014]:

"Goff, who plans to watch the Heisman presentation Saturday, could be in a comparable position — well regarded but not overexposed — entering his senior season. There are numerous unknowns, of course, and they start with Goff’s whereabouts in 2016, when he’ll be eligible for the NFL draft.

If he stays in school, Goff’s candidacy will depend largely on Cal’s success, and vice versa. Mediocre teams don’t produce Heisman winners, especially when it comes to quarterbacks: If you’re not good enough to lift a team into the top 10, you’re not good enough for the hardware."

https://www-mercurynews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15774685718707&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/12/12/will-cal-quarterback-jared-goff-contend-for-heisman-in-2016/

This should tell you everything about Goff...and says so much more about Dak whom y'all don't appreciate.

Giving praise to Goff? Embarrassing.

I stand by my opinions. IMO Goff skills were much more suited for the NFL than Prescott. And I’d argue the NFL agreed with me.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

True. I meant Dak was among the last players considered. Goff never was.

Fair enough

 

[Yoshimitsu]

I wonder how many people were saying this about Alex Smith before the Chiefs wound up with Mahomes?

Yeah you hold out on hope for that we will be searching for 20 years.

 

[Kaiser]

People say we have all this talent. Where is it? We're 7-8.

Plenty of talented teams have a snakebit season like this and finish 8-8. We lost to the Saints by 2 on the road, to the Pats because of a blocked punt, to the Jets because of a wildly flukey rash of injuries, to the Packers because Amari Cooper had a pass go through his hands straight for a pick etc. This Eagles game was about Dak's injury.

Romo said it on camera, the story of this season was mostly about every little thing going wrong until the team totally quit against the Bills and Bears.

The talent level will be the same with a few changes at TE, then probably at 3T and maybe at RDE. They will upgrade at Safety. The talent level will probably be more and not less next season.

 

[morasp]

When they were trying to get a home town discount he said he wanted to be paid what he's worth.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I stand by my opinions. IMO Goff skills were much more suited for the NFL than Prescott. And I’d argue the NFL agreed with me.

For what it's worth i agree with you

 

[ondaedg]

NFL teams do not fear or gameplan for Dak Prescott as a passer or runner in any notable way.

How much should you pay a quarterback like that?

$35 - $40 mil/yr.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Your right Wentz has struggled more without them, but without them in the biggest game of the year he beat us and he has his team on the verge of the playoffs without a stellar D. Do you think it would even be close for the division had he had all his weapons the entire season? Dak had his

Well here's a few things.

I believe the Cowboys suck. Sorry. I argued all offseason about how talented we are....I'm not anymore. That's out the window. I can't keep watching this team go 8-8 and keep touting how talented they are. And they did it prior to Dak/Zeke getting here. THE same mediocrity we saw prior to them is the same mediocrity we've seen since. All the winning these guys had instilled in them prior to getting here couldn't wiped out in 2016. But if you notice....the longer they stay here the worse the losing becomes. Its because its a culture thing.

Philly.....they at least have a Super Bowl in 2017 to hold on to. They at least can say they have done it and it hasn't been 20+ years.

So no. I don't give credit for Wentz beating the Commanders or Giants or the Cowboys because they all suck. I give him no credit for backing into a division because he did. He has stunk and so has his team. But he didn't stink as bad as the Cowboys have.

The real question is do I think Carson would fare as well with bad coaching in all 3 facets of the game, no turnovers or good field position and a first time offensive coordinator? I think he'd do just as bad personally if not worse.

But my opinion is based on I Think there's more to this league than talent. I think great coaching or even solid coaching can make a 8-8 team into a 11 win team. That's not what's here.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I stand by my opinions. IMO Goff skills were much more suited for the NFL than Prescott. And I’d argue the NFL agreed with me.

Ha. Dak has better stats than Goff WHILE IN THE NFL.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well, I would not be a GM because I'm probably too narrow in my view of what these guys are all worth but, if it were me, I would tag him, I would let he and his agent go out and solicit offers and I would allow them to figure out what there value is really worth in the NFL. If they receive nothing above say 30 annually for a 5 year deal with an additional club year option, then I'd discuss it with whomever the new HC would be and I'd probably still honor that deal. But end of day, and I've said this since the start of this whole thing, way back when, I'd do nothing until I had the HC stuff figured out. I see no good reason to saddle the new staff with a QB that may not fit what they want to do.

That's just my opinion.

So you'd give him 30 million but you'd be upset if he got 5 million more? So basically 5 million would be your deal breaker?

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

NFL teams do not fear or gameplan for Dak Prescott as a passer or runner in any notable way.

How much should you pay a quarterback like that?

40M.

 

[shabazz]

3 field goals in 60 minutes of football

Yeah you hold out on hope for that we will be searching for 20 years.

Ok, settle for mediocrity then. Just dont overpay for it

 

[blueblood70]

Ok well let's dig into what you're saying a bit more.

NE lucked into Bellcheat. Fair enough. But they also had very good coaching prior to Parcells. Wasn't a list of Wade Phillips, Dave Campo's, Jason Garrett's coming through there. They lucked into Brady. Ok. Mind you they also found Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett....managed to get 11 wins out of Matt Cassell....seems like they know what they are doing at that position......

Your next point...

Other teams took Lynch and Cook higher than Dak. This is correct. But what were those teams?

Raiders
Bronco's.

Two teams with histories of SCREWING UP THE QUARTERBACK POSITION. John Elway can't get a quarterback to save his life. And the Raiders....they suck there too but I guess that would depend on how you feel about Carr.

Johnny Manziel....hmmmm......what genius team decided to draft him? The Cleveland Browns....are you seeing a trend here? Its the same teams over and over again screwing up quarterback lol.

NO AGAIN,

I DONT HAVE TME TO GOOVER EVERY TEAMS MISTAKES AT QB IN NFL HISTORY BUT IM SURE IT NEARLY ALL OF THE TEAMS..

they have traded up to pick the likes of Trubisky , or took a haskins, Jones, or goff type too high... at least we got dak in the 4th and Romo UDFA..other teams are INVESTING far more in the same type of talent..there are far more examples of teams making the same mistakes with the picks at qb postion..no one has the formula..you keep trying and hoping..its a lot more luck then design IMO.JimmyG and Jacoby are not better then Dak they are in similar tier levels and were picked higher and then another team used more draft picks to get them and overpay to keep the likes of a JimmyG..is he bad no but nether were Romo or Dak.. they are what is the more normal QB available to start for teams Vs the occasional generational Elute qb which one or two might come along a decade..

then they are so desperate they overpay for most of them as well.. its not just Cleveland, Dallas , and Oakland or so called bad teams..