Henry vs Zeke

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I’d rather Zeke be more efficient with his touches.

I don’t think Zeke sucks. He’s a good RB.

That said, he isn’t some dynamic play-making RB that I would focusing the offense around.

He and Pollard should be a 1-2 punch. Pollard needs more touches, and yes, that means getting Pollard more involved in the passing game, taking catches away from Zeke.

I also wanna see Pollard more integrated in the run game instead of having him play an entire series and then sit on the bench.

Zeke is your hammer and goal line back, and should continue to get the lion’s share of the carries. That said, Pollard is your playmaker and needs more touches.
 

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I think 2016 made him look better than he was. And certainly if he doesn't have a top 5 Oline blocking for him he would look average. Not a big play guy, not a dynamic pass catcher. Needs 25 carries to get his 100 yards. Not at the level of a McCaffrey where he simply cannot be stopped.
He and McCaffrey are such polar opposites, they are almost impossible to compare. McC must get the ball in space. He's not going to break tackles. He's a space guy who's almost impossible to catch.

Z is a grinder. When he's in shape, he takes the ball and gets positive yds on most plays. He's hard to bring down and has a nice burst to/thru the hole.

This last season, it was obvious Z was too fat. Dude was quite simply out of shape. I'm just hoping the new staff can motive him to get the best out of him.

Zeke was never a "tools" RB. He wasn't really fast or really powerful or really elusive. What he is is good at everything, but not great. Except for pass blocking, he's prolly the best blocking RB in the NFL.
 

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We can disagree on that one. McCaffrey makes big plays out of nothing in the run game. Doesn't have a top 5 Oline and he was doing this with a backup QB and limited weapons around him.
Fair points. Still, whether Zeke is currently as good as McCaffrey isn’t really important. If he can be a big benefit to the Cowboys is what matters.
 

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He and McCaffrey are such polar opposites, they are almost impossible to compare. McC must get the ball in space. He's not going to break tackles. He's a space guy who's almost impossible to catch.

Z is a grinder. When he's in shape, he takes the ball and gets positive yds on most plays. He's hard to bring down and has a nice burst to/thru the hole.

This last season, it was obvious Z was too fat. Dude was quite simply out of shape. I'm just hoping the new staff can motive him to get the best out of him.

Zeke was never a "tools" RB. He was really fast or really powerful really elusive. What he is is good at everything, but not great. Except for pass blocking, he's prolly the best blocking RB in the NFL.

McCaffrey breaks tons of tackles my man. When he is in shape? The fact that he might have been out of shape says it all.

Vision, burst speed, breaking tackles, moves, pass catching, big play ability, ect….ect… all in favor of McCaffrey.
 

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McCaffrey breaks tons of tackles my man. When he is in shape? The fact that he might have been out of shape says it all.

Vision, burst speed, breaking tackles, moves, pass catching, big play ability, ect….ect… all in favor of McCaffrey.

Zeke is better than McCaffery.
 

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I don’t think Zeke sucks. He’s a good RB.

That said, he isn’t some dynamic play-making RB that I would focusing the offense around.

He and Pollard should be a 1-2 punch. Pollard needs more touches, and yes, that means getting Pollard more involved in the passing game, taking catches away from Zeke.

I also wanna see Pollard more integrated in the run game instead of having him play an entire series and then sit on the bench.

Zeke is your hammer and goal line back, and should continue to get the lion’s share of the carries. That said, Pollard is your playmaker and needs more touches.


Hopefully, our new head coach finds a way to get this done. Garrett led offenses never showed the ability to incorporate RB’s well into the passing game.
 

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People need to quit being so sensitive.

Derrick Henry is a superior back in comparison to Ezekiel Elliott.

He makes the opposing defense fear when he has the ball.

And he is running behind a less than well paid OL in comparison.

Sad but true.
 

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I would rather have a RB who doesn't have to take himself out every other play because he's out of shape and can't handle the workload. I would understand if he were 54 like me, but he isn't.

Lol he had 301 carries. Second to only Henry 303. Lazy bum!
 

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Yeah we could’ve drafted that headache Jaylon Ramsey...wonder how that would’ve went lol.

That "headache" was just traded for TWO first round draft picks and a Fourth!!!

As an alternative, the Cowboys could also have traded up, traded down, or selected another player.
 

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McCaffrey breaks tons of tackles my man. When he is in shape? The fact that he might have been out of shape says it all.

Vision, burst speed, breaking tackles, moves, pass catching, big play ability, ect….ect… all in favor of McCaffrey.
For some reason, you've got some sort of hero worship thingie going on w/ McC. It's simply not true. Z is more powerful than McC, and it's not close.

The shape thing is about Z.
 

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I like me some Zeke, but I respectfully disagree. No running back does more with less than McCaffery does.

Mano a Mano, I take McCaffery over Ezekiel any day and twice on Sunday
Unless you need a ball control grinder.
 

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“Ball control grinder” = RB that doesn’t make plays
Define "make plays". A grinder is more likely to get first downs, to make it on 3rd/4th and 1, keep the ball under control and rest the D.

So if you're saying they're not flashy, OK, whatever. But, grinders are better for super bowl runs.
 

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Define "make plays". A grinder is more likely to get first downs, to make it on 3rd/4th and 1, keep the ball under control and rest the D.

So if you're saying they're not flashy, OK, whatever. But, grinders are better for super bowl runs.

Derrick Henry led the league in first downs by a wide margin.

Henry also had nine (9) 20+ yard runs and thee (3) 40+ yard runs.

Zeke had just four (4) 20+ yard runs and none more than 33 yards.

*This is where you try to dismiss the very stats that nullify your unsubstantiated claim.
 

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That "headache" was just traded for TWO first round draft picks and a Fourth!!!

As an alternative, the Cowboys could also have traded up, traded down, or selected another player.
They very well could've. But if I have a 4th overall pick...I don't care about two 1st rounders from the Rams.
 

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We'll see what happens with Zeke under a new coaching staff, but it's not just a 1 to 1 comparison for better back among all these guys.

Zeke cost the #4 pick and $15 mil/year. Draft slot + Cap cost just as critical as a player's talent.

Henry a 2nd rounder and we'll find out how much he gets this offseason. Big thing is lots of Zoners wanted to get him and he was definitely obtainable that year. Great fit for the Cowboys identity.

McCaffrey the #8 pick and hasn't gotten off his rookie deal yet. Not a bruiser like the other 2 but the best receiver by far.

Zeke has to be MUCH better than Henry to be worth taking him at the #4 pick instead of being a 2nd rounder. He has to become a much better receiver and his pass blocking needs to really be elite to be worth that draft position. Hopefully McCarthy gets more out of him.
 
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