Philly could be eyeing Byron Jones

[lockster]

Byron is a good player but he will cost too much. The fact that he is not a ball-hawk has always made it feel easier to see him go, at least for me but I have appreciated his coverage ability (mostly) the last couple of seasons but I don't think he's worth huge money...I like the idea of a comp pick for him, especially as a 3rd.

I hope they get him and pay him top top money!

 

[cowboyblue22]

this is one of the reason when u are 13 and 3 and have homefield advantage u need ot take advantage of that with free agency when u assemble a good team it don't last long especially when u start paying ur qb top money I am not sure that fooling around so long with the clown hasn't closed the cowboys window to win with this team its going to be really hard now to win and the jones talk a good story about signing dak and Amari but they just keep waiting and waiting that old man and his son are so frustrating

 

[G2]

this is one of the reason when u are 13 and 3 and have homefield advantage u need ot take advantage of that with free agency when u assemble a good team it don't last long especially when u start paying ur qb top money I am not sure that fooling around so long with the clown hasn't closed the cowboys window to win with this team its going to be really hard now to win and the jones talk a good story about signing dak and Amari but they just keep waiting and waiting that old man and his son are so frustrating

Commas bro.

 

[Future]

Now I'm convinced that besides you having a memory problem you also have a comprehension problem. The only thing that I said as far as targets i agreed with you that Jones had less than Chido, but I also said that teams will go after the weakest link so just because Jones had fewer targets does not in any way mean that Jones is a top tier CB. Zero pick this season in fact in his 5 seasons he has exactly TWO picks and yet you want to argue how good he is. There are nickle backs on teams with more picks than Jones and they don't play every down.
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You literally said that good corners don't get targeted. I explained that Byron Jones does not get targeted.

I didn't say how good that makes him. Good lord. Don't hurt your shoulder reaching.

Interceptions are a quarterback stat, not a DB stat.

 

[Future]

When you're guaranteed 10 yards by throwing to Chido, why would you bother throwing anywhere else?

Myth.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You literally said that good corners don't get targeted. I explained that Byron Jones does not get targeted.

I didn't say how good that makes him. Good lord. Don't hurt your shoulder reaching.

Interceptions are a quarterback stat, not a DB stat.

If it's just a QB stat then why is it that the corners that are widely accepted as the best have more than 2 picks in five years? Talk about reaching!
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[kskboys]

I hope they get him and pay him top top money!

Yup, me too. After a year or so, they'll regret the contract.

Jones is a decent corner and I'd like to keep him, but no way do I pay him more than 5 or 6 million/year

 

[Future]

If it's just a QB stat then why is it that the corners that are widely accepted as the best have more than 2 picks in five years? Talk about reaching!
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Who said Byron Jones is "widely accepted as the best?"

Nobody thinks the best corners in the game are that b/c of INT totals.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Who said Byron Jones is "widely accepted as the best?"

Nobody thinks the best corners in the game are that b/c of INT totals.

At no time have I said Jones was one of the best corners or accepted as one of the best. In fact I've been saying the opposite. I also never said that pick count is what determines the widely accepted best corners only that the ones that are widely accepted as the best have more than 2 picks in 5 years.
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[Future]

At no time have I said Jones was one of the best corners or accepted as one of the best. In fact I've been saying the opposite. I also never said that pick count is what determines the widely accepted best corners only that the ones that are widely accepted as the best have more than 2 picks in 5 years.
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I never said you did.

 

[TheHerd]

I'm not saying he didn't. I'm just saying that this was the book on Vincent coming out and it was still the book on Vincent when he signed with Philly. They are the same type players. I mean, do you actually remember what that Philly defense was like? Remember also that he played with Bobby Taylor on the other side and Brain Dawkins at Safety. I mean, he got plenty of chances to make plays and he covered the weaker WR, most times. Also a lot of tipped balls. Remember, his DC was Johnson in those days and nobody dialed it up better then he did, maybe ever. I mean, I'm not crazy and I'm not senile. I remember those teams and I remember Vincent. Those two guys are very similar in skill set.

I agree with your sentiment, but Jones has gone 5 years now to grab a tip here or there. Johnson was an elite pressure DC, no doubt about that. Could Jones have created turnovers in that environment? Possibly. I think he's a good CB, but he's just not a guy who makes plays. He's worth very good, but not crazy elite money.

While defense isn't all about turnovers, in many big games you can point to a turnover which was key. Not all, but many.

 

[Mobinvans]

If they do we should throw at Byron Jones all day long...not like he’s gonna bath it

 

[I need 6]

You should fear him because he's among the best in the NFL. I get turnovers are some fans' barometer, but he simply doesn't get passed on often and very few completions. I hope he stays because lock down CBs are tough to find.

No one should fear him. He's good not great.

 

[Carson]

Book it. Jones leads the nfl in picks with his new team lol

 

[Chuck 54]

Jones is the only Cowboy who has been able to cover Ertz. They get a defender and free up Wentz's favorite receiver.

 

[Praxit]

..I like the guy, but dont see the big deal. Treating him like a shutdown corner.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree with your sentiment, but Jones has gone 5 years now to grab a tip here or there. Johnson was an elite pressure DC, no doubt about that. Could Jones have created turnovers in that environment? Possibly. I think he's a good CB, but he's just not a guy who makes plays. He's worth very good, but not crazy elite money.

While defense isn't all about turnovers, in many big games you can point to a turnover which was key. Not all, but many.

OK, but lets look at what and why Philly is looking at Jones, assuming the report is true. Why would they making this move? For the same reason they went after Vincent back in the day. They value the ability to lock up on the other teams WR and take them out of the game. They like that he can match up with bigger WRs and TEs. They like that he also has the versatility to play against smaller WRs. This would be a scheme move. Philly still likes to pressure defensively. Now, they haven't really done that as well as some of their teams from the past, this past season but that's still who they want to be Defensively. If you do that, what's more important? Is it more important to them to have a CB who can make INTs but can't really lock down his assignment or to have a CB who can lock down but doesn't really make INTs? I mean, obviously you'd love to have both right but Deion Sanders CBs don't exactly grow on trees unfortunately so you sometimes have to look at what's available to you.

That, IMO, is what the Eagles may be doing here. A pressure Defense scheme doesn't work unless you have that guy who can go one on one and take one side of the field away. There are two kinds of Pressure Defenses. There is the one where you do it with just a Front Four that can get maximum pressure without the blitz and there is the one where you do it with blitz scheme. The problem in todays game is that those guys who can physically dominate up front and get you that kind of pressure are really expensive to keep. It's really unrealistic to believe that you can have 4 of those guys up front and still afford to pay other positions. Almost impossible really. You are lucky if you can find two and keep them. Hell, we paid a record deal to a guy who gave us 5 sacks this year. I mean, that's how hard it is to find those guys in the NFL. You look at Philly and they have what, Graham, Barnett, Jeringan and Cox up front? Of those four, only Cox is what I would call the kind of player described earlier. The others are good fits in scheme but not really players who are able to dominate against anybody.

They do it with scheme so for them, the CB that can allow them to run the multiple blitz scheme is probably worth it because with out that guy, you can't run that scheme. So what's important to them? If we look at the secondary last year, who do they have on their roster that can fit the bill? I think you gotta context it in terms of what is really important to them, scheme wise.

That's just my opinion.

 

[G2]

No one should fear him. He's good not great.

Mistake.

 

[TheHerd]

OK, but lets look at what and why Philly is looking at Jones, assuming the report is true. Why would they making this move? For the same reason they went after Vincent back in the day. They value the ability to lock up on the other teams WR and take them out of the game. They like that he can match up with bigger WRs and TEs. They like that he also has the versatility to play against smaller WRs. This would be a scheme move. Philly still likes to pressure defensively. Now, they haven't really done that as well as some of their teams from the past, this past season but that's still who they want to be Defensively. If you do that, what's more important? Is it more important to them to have a CB who can make INTs but can't really lock down his assignment or to have a CB who can lock down but doesn't really make INTs? I mean, obviously you'd love to have both right but Deion Sanders CBs don't exactly grow on trees unfortunately so you sometimes have to look at what's available to you.

That, IMO, is what the Eagles may be doing here. A pressure Defense scheme doesn't work unless you have that guy who can go one on one and take one side of the field away. There are two kinds of Pressure Defenses. There is the one where you do it with just a Front Four that can get maximum pressure without the blitz and there is the one where you do it with blitz scheme. The problem in todays game is that those guys who can physically dominate up front and get you that kind of pressure are really expensive to keep. It's really unrealistic to believe that you can have 4 of those guys up front and still afford to pay other positions. Almost impossible really. You are lucky if you can find two and keep them. Hell, we paid a record deal to a guy who gave us 5 sacks this year. I mean, that's how hard it is to find those guys in the NFL. You look at Philly and they have what, Graham, Barnett, Jeringan and Cox up front? Of those four, only Cox is what I would call the kind of player described earlier. The others are good fits in scheme but not really players who are able to dominate against anybody.

They do it with scheme so for them, the CB that can allow them to run the multiple blitz scheme is probably worth it because with out that guy, you can't run that scheme. So what's important to them? If we look at the secondary last year, who do they have on their roster that can fit the bill? I think you gotta context it in terms of what is really important to them, scheme wise.

That's just my opinion.

Yes, these are great points. Byron is a CB who isn't often toasted man to man. One big mistake we made with him was trying to fit him into Marinelli's soft zone concepts. A common theme of wasted abilities.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, these are great points. Byron is a CB who isn't often toasted man to man. One big mistake we made with him was trying to fit him into Marinelli's soft zone concepts. A common theme of wasted abilities.

I agree. It's the whole Tampa2 zone type heritage. But that's the scheme and that's why it's so important to draft players that fit.