Jimmy Johnson hasn’t heard from Jerry Jones other than statement

[Verdict]

“We're so happy that the Hall of Fame has recognized Jimmy Johnson for what he is. A great coach," said Jones, who hired Johnson as Cowboys head coach after buying the team in 1989.

"To Jimmy I say, 'The stars were aligned and our dreams came true when we joined the Dallas Cowboys. And on behalf of the Cowboys, and our fans all over the world, I say congratulations Jimmy. We're proud of you."

That’s fairly nice, for a scumbag.

Those pesky facts! Always getting in the way.

 

[atlantacowboy]

true, and the thing is jimmy has mellowed with age, and jerry hasnt, jerry still holds a grudge, and jimmy doesnt.
They were both wrong back in the days they were together. They were not friends back then and are not now.

Was Jimmy wrong to want to keep control of football operations as they had agreed to? Seems they got along fine until Jerry wanted to do more of the "fun stuff" as he called it. Makes me wonder how long Belechek would have lasted in NE if Kraft had similar ambitions and desires for credit.

 

[Valkyr]

Imagine having an actual genius IQ and having Jerry Jones try and tell you what to do.

Must have been infuriating beyond belief.

 

[cern]

Imagine having an actual genius IQ and having Jerry Jones try and tell you what to do.

Must have been infuriating beyond belief.

Something genii are forced to tolerate.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Imagine having an actual genius IQ and having Jerry Jones try and tell you what to do.

Must have been infuriating beyond belief.

 

[Doomsday101]

What was Jimmy reaction to Jerry getting into the HOF?

 

[jsb357]

BFD

 

[Redball Express]

The lengths you go to in order to defend Jerry's honor is hilarious.

Jerrah is a risk taker.

People love somebody who lives differently from themselves. Someone who is a maverick and wins against all odds.

Jerrah has been that his whole life.

Lurie has a way to go.

 

[CouchCoach]

The problems obviously began when Jerry tried to muscle in on player personnel decisions. In fact, he offered Jimmy a contract extension after the 93 super bowl that undid the clause giving Jimmy final say on player personnel. The private party Jerry tried to crash and the 500 coaches statement were the last straw for Jimmy. I'm sure he loved saltwater and all that but he wasn't walking away from the opportunity for the NFLs first 3-peat for whimsical reasons. There's obviously bad blood.

The bad blood, according to Wannstedt, was the draft war room situation because Booger was making sure it was on TV. That was the catalyst, the fuse that got lit. The party was the convenient bomb. And according to Wannstedt, few knew of the situation prior to the draft. But Jimmy was pissed about it until he left.

Think about that for a minute. Booger asks him to make it seem as if he's making the picks for the public. That's beyond pathetic. I've been around business long enough to see people make their boss look good but to ask for that, that's a new one. He's a pathetic man little man no matter how much of a fortune he amasses.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The bad blood, according to Wannstedt, was the draft war room situation because Booger was making sure it was on TV. That was the catalyst, the fuse that got lit. The party was the convenient bomb. And according to Wannstedt, few knew of the situation prior to the draft. But Jimmy was pissed about it until he left.

Think about that for a minute. Booger asks him to make it seem as if he's making the picks for the public. That's beyond pathetic. I've been around business long enough to see people make their boss look good but to ask for that, that's a new one. He's a pathetic man little man no matter how much of a fortune he amasses.

I forgot about the war room charade.

 

[G2]

Jerrah is a risk taker.

People love somebody who lives differently from themselves. Someone who is a maverick and wins against all odds.

Jerrah has been that his whole life.

Lurie has a way to go.

Not accurate. Jones does NOT win against all odds. He couldn't get out of his own way.

 

[Redball Express]

Not accurate. Jones does NOT win against all odds. He couldn't get out of his own way.

Everybody defines success differently.

You are entitled to your opinions..

but I doubt that the voters for the FHallof Fame would agree with you.

The league changed for the better when Jerrah bought the team and got on the committees, especially the TV network one and made $100s of millions for the other owners and its sponsors..

can't get out of his way?

You serious?

He approved drafting Dak, Zeke and the Amari trade..

all of which defines the team you follow year round like all of us.

I remember first following this team back in 1965, I was like 10.

All that provided info about the team in the off season was a magazine called Street and Smith.

I would buy it in July just before TCs would open. I would read it from cover to cover to learn everything I could about teams who played Dallas.

It was about the only source that covered the upcoming season.

Today..there is NFL Network, ESPN, an incredible galaxy of coverage year round.

Do you have any idea how much of this had to do with Jerrah's marketing style?

Just tons bro.

Alot of what we enjoy of the sport is from the influence of Jerrah.

Now he does not blow his own horn about his league contributions. He will talk you blue about his team. He is more content to do his thing and work with his other financial interests.

I mentioned in a thread the other day I had read where when Parcells left the Cowboys..

Jerrah gave Parcells a Popeyes Chicken franchise restaurant as a thank you.

That to me is just fantastic.

Who does that for people he wants to think well of him?

Nobody I have ever heard of..you?

Sooo..its fine to post a quick witty reply about Jerrah..

and all of his actions have not always produced desired results.

But not able to get out of his way?

Hmmmm...

 

[G2]

Everybody defines success differently.

You are entitled to your opinions..

but I doubt that the voters for the FHallof Fame would agree with you.

The league changed for the better when Jerrah bought the team and got on the committees, especially the TV network one and made $100s of millions for the other owners and its sponsors..

can't get out of his way?

You serious?

He approved drafting Dak, Zeke and the Amari trade..

all of which defines the team you follow year round like all of us.

I remember first following this team back in 1965, I was like 10.

All that provided info about the team in the off season was a magazine called Street and Smith.

I would buy it in July just before TCs would open. I would read it from cover to cover to learn everything I could about teams who played Dallas.

It was about the only source that covered the upcoming season.

Today..there is NFL Network, ESPN, an incredible galaxy of coverage year round.

Do you have any idea how much of this had to do with Jerrah's marketing style?

Just tons bro.

Alot of what we enjoy of the sport is from the influence of Jerrah.

Now he does not blow his own horn about his league contributions. He will talk you blue about his team. He is more content to do his thing and work with his other financial interests.

I mentioned in a thread the other day I had read where when Parcells left the Cowboys..

Jerrah gave Parcells a Popeyes Chicken franchise restaurant as a thank you.

That to me is just fantastic.

Who does that for people he wants to think well of him?

Nobody I have ever heard of..you?

Sooo..its fine to post a quick witty reply about Jerrah..

and all of his actions have not always produced desired results.

But not able to get out of his way?

Hmmmm...

Jones was busy paying off the new purchase of the franchise.

Johnson was free to run the organization.

As soon as Jones got more involved, they couldn't coexist.

Johnson left Dallas and the winning shortly followed.

I don't care what he's done for the NFL and other organizations. I care what he does for the Dallas Cowboys.

That being said, he's failed miserably to put together championship teams.

He put his ego and demand for winning credit before the team and fans.

He's NOT in the HOF because of his GM skill set. So save that crap for halfassed fans.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Jerrah lost his credibility when he put Jason Garrett as head coach .

i just see Kellen Moore , and i think: "here it is, future interim HC., Garrett 2.0 ; another 10 years of garbage. "

 

[SportsGuru80]

He was busy cleaning that "big boat"....

 

[DandyDon52]

Was Jimmy wrong to want to keep control of football operations as they had agreed to? Seems they got along fine until Jerry wanted to do more of the "fun stuff" as he called it. Makes me wonder how long Belechek would have lasted in NE if Kraft had similar ambitions and desires for credit.

Well Jimmy had a degree in psychology , he should have been able to handle jerry easily. All he had to do was give jerry some credit even if fake ,
let him feel involved, give him tasks like try and get this player . Throw the guy a bone or 2, and then try to win a 3rd in a row.
Instead Jimmy started treating Jerry like he was a joke and totally unfriendly. I think that hurt jerry as he thought they were friends.
Jerry has used the word betrayal, and I think from his perspective he thought jimmy betrayed him as a friend.

I also think Jimmy didnt care about winning a 3rd SB,and according to what he just said, was surprised his players were mad about him leaving,
and that they wanted to win 3 in a row. So that means he didnt really care about those players, he only cared about what jimmy wanted or needed.
I liked Jimmy, but even he said he wasnt a nice person back then, he was arrogant, had big ego, wanted all the credit, and was a control freak.
Part of that is what helped him be such a good gm/coach, but part of it was just being spoiled with success and money.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Well Jimmy had a degree in psychology , he should have been able to handle jerry easily. All he had to do was give jerry some credit even if fake ,
let him feel involved, give him tasks like try and get this player . Throw the guy a bone or 2, and then try to win a 3rd in a row.
Instead Jimmy started treating Jerry like he was a joke and totally unfriendly. I think that hurt jerry as he thought they were friends.
Jerry has used the word betrayal, and I think from his perspective he thought jimmy betrayed him as a friend.

I also think Jimmy didnt care about winning a 3rd SB,and according to what he just said, was surprised his players were mad about him leaving,
and that they wanted to win 3 in a row. So that means he didnt really care about those players, he only cared about what jimmy wanted or needed.
I liked Jimmy, but even he said he wasnt a nice person back then, he was arrogant, had big ego, wanted all the credit, and was a control freak.
Part of that is what helped him be such a good gm/coach, but part of it was just being spoiled with success and money.

It wasn't the credit from Jimmy Jerry was seeking. It was the national perception of who got credit and all the spotlight fell on Jimmy. Jerry wanted the world to see him as a football man with a large hand in the teams success. There are stories about the Cowboys war room where Jerry aggressively attempted to cultivate an image of being the teams decision maker...............as when he seated himself at the head of the war room table in the first televised NFL draft and instructed the coaches to make it look like he was the one in charge making the decisions. It was a complete farce. The whole world knew Jimmy Johnson was the one drafting the players.

It is not the job of a HC to be a "nice person". The best coaches in NFL history from Lombardi to Belechek are control freaks. Thats not even close to being a legitimate criticism.

 

[Kaiser]

Well Jimmy had a degree in psychology , he should have been able to handle jerry easily. All he had to do was give jerry some credit even if fake ,
let him feel involved, give him tasks like try and get this player . Throw the guy a bone or 2, and then try to win a 3rd in a row.
Instead Jimmy started treating Jerry like he was a joke and totally unfriendly. I think that hurt jerry as he thought they were friends.
Jerry has used the word betrayal, and I think from his perspective he thought jimmy betrayed him as a friend.

I also think Jimmy didnt care about winning a 3rd SB,and according to what he just said, was surprised his players were mad about him leaving,
and that they wanted to win 3 in a row. So that means he didnt really care about those players, he only cared about what jimmy wanted or needed.
I liked Jimmy, but even he said he wasnt a nice person back then, he was arrogant, had big ego, wanted all the credit, and was a control freak.
Part of that is what helped him be such a good gm/coach, but part of it was just being spoiled with success and money.

Both are great points. Jerry was always Jerry and the two had been friends since college. Jerry didn't change, Jimmy did.

There is an old saying that I've heard attributed to several different people: "Its amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets credit".

 

[Fletch]

He did hear from Jerry. Sorry internet that it didn’t jive with your standards. Lol

 

[buybuydandavis]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-heard-from-jerry-jones-other-than-statement/

Jimmy Johnson made a point when he named some of the people he has heard from since being elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2020.

“Oh, I’ve gotten so many it’s hard to say [who was most special to hear from],” Johnson said Tuesday during the Fox Sports news conference. “Jeffery Lurie from the Eagles. Dean Spanos from the LA Chargers. Several owners. Of course, former players. Michael Irvin, Emmitt [Smith], on and on. It’s been great.”

The obvious name he didn’t mention was Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

“No, I haven’t heard anything,” Johnson said, not elaborating.

Jones released a statement through the team congratulating his former teammate, coach and friend the day of the announcement and now faces pressure to put Johnson in the Cowboys’ Ring of Honor.

Jones and Johnson are the team’s only Hall of Famers not in the Cowboys’ Ring of Honor.

Johnson’s tenure in Dallas, of course, ended badly. After back-to-back Super Bowls, Johnson and Jones agreed to disagree . . . and to part ways.

“It was the right thing because I was ready to move on,” Johnson said. “I’ve never second-guessed myself on the ending. For me, it was never a bad thing. I was happy to move on with my life.”

Johnson, though, revealed that he later found out some of his former Cowboys players were not happy with him over his departure. The Cowboys didn’t three-peat and won only one other championship before the team of the 1990s fell apart, and many believe they should have become the dynasty the Patriots now are.

“Troy [Aikman] had dinner with me many years ago, and I didn’t realize how angry some of the players were,” Johnson said. “I thought they would have understood, but they didn’t understand. It hit me one night at dinner at my house that, geez, the players that I love are angry that I left. I said, ‘If they only knew.’ I was ready to move on. I felt bad about that, and I feel bad about that to this day for them. I don’t feel bad for me.”

How can he be shocked that players were mad about it?

Fourpeat and greatest team of all time. They ask players to play in ways that can cripple them for life. A coach should just suck it up while the SBs keep coming.