The reason Moore was kept

[Diehardblues]

To expound, Mo was kept due to immense potential. Good job, Jerry/Stephen.

Yes, but Coach would have ya believe it was McCarthy who was behind bringing Moore back.

 

[Diehardblues]

Moore is Jerry’s boy not McCarthy.

This is a continued narrative how Fat Mikey is making all of the football decisions as the Cowboys savior. Lol

 

[Future]

He also was asked about it during his press conference and it sounded like he was going to do it.

Well it's a huge stretch from "sounded like he was going to do it" to "Jerry and Stephen forced him into it."

 

[CouchCoach]

And exactly where did you get this info or is this just your opinion?

LMAO, everything is just opinion.

I look at the facts and then consider them, except the ones I don't like, to form an opinion to fill in the rest of it.

For instance, Moore was allowed to seek other employment. If Booger had wanted to keep him, he wouldn't have released him. They released all the staff except for Garrett right after the final game. That tells me Booger was going for a NFL HC, not a college one that wouldn't know the players. If his new guy wanted to rehire some of the departed staff, that was his call. The idea that Moore was force fed on Big Mike is absurd. Moore is not some schlub that had to be forced on a HC. He was immediately offered the OC job with the Huskies, what was once considered a dream job to him, but Big Mike sold him on coming back to learn from him and be his guy for his QB. Makes sense doesn't it? New offense, try to keep some familiarity for the QB.

morat, I try to draw conclusions all the time with insufficient data and fill in the blanks, don't all of us do that? Especially all those talking heads on TV. If they can do it, why can't I?

 

[CouchCoach]

Well it's a huge stretch from "sounded like he was going to do it" to "Jerry and Stephen forced him into it."

I got the feeling when he said that, Moore was still considering going to Washington. I think he was sending him a message that he wanted him to come back.

No one says they're thinking about doing something to the media unless they have a plan. I think he wanted Moore to know that he wanted him by openly expressing that.

Big Mike said he had his eye on Moore during the season and I have no reason to not believe him. He watched the team, specifically the offense with an eye none of us have.

 

[Future]

Moore is Jerry’s boy not McCarthy.

McCarthy likes him, and commented specifically on him before he was ever hired. He likes Moore's play design.

When McCarthy showed me some plays to illustrate what he’d import into his offense, the one I liked most came from the third play of the Cowboys 2019 season. “RPO Dover” is what McCarthy called this. On second-and-eight from the Dallas 40, the Cowboys lined up in a power-run formation and design—seven across the offensive line, Ezekiel Elliott motioning from the left flank into a sidecar to Dak Prescott, with two seeming distractions only, Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup, split wide left. The Giants had a cornerback eight yards off Gallup, outside the numbers, and a safety 10 yards off Cooper, who was inside of Gallup. At the snap, Prescott play-actioned to Elliott, flowing to his right. Nine Giants flowed to that side. Prescott pulled the ball out of Elliott’s gut. Both receivers ran quick in-routes, unchallenged by defenders, and Prescott flipped to Cooper, inside, for one of the easiest nine-yard gains of his life. First down.

McCarthy was visibly excited by the play. “The beauty of it,” he said excitedly, “is you can still run. It’s a clean run. But the free yards on the pass . . . that is such a smart design.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/16/mike-mccarthy-coaching-nfl-fmia-week-15-peter-king/

 

[CowboyRoy]

You can put the talk about Prescott going elsewhere to rest, he's staying with the Cowboys. Big Mike would not have hired Moore if they were even thinking of letting him walk.

Moore is Big Mike's conduit to the QB in this offense transition. He will be keeping some of the terminology to make it smoother but he saw the QB improve under Moore and sees the connection between the two.

And hiring Moore was Big Mike's call, he wasn't coerced into anything. Moore was already talking to the Huskies about the OC job as all of the coaching staff had been allowed to interview.

He chose Moore and he also chose Prescott, which also helped Moore choose the Cowboys over college.

Kellen Moore is Big Mike's Zimmer. Parcells saw something in Zimmer, even though he was transitioning the defense. Big Mike was a Moore fan before he was offered the job and might have even hired him if he'd taken a different job.

I think we all need to think when is the last time we saw a first year OC do that? They stumble and fall and while it wasn't perfect, look at the difference from a veteran OC in his first year.

I do believe Big Mike will be in the cockpit as the instructor and Moore will not be flying solo and he probably doesn't want to out of the gate. I also think Moore is going to add some pizazz to Big Mike's version of the WCO. Two good offensive minds can create synergy.

I really like the idea of keeping him but make no mistake about it, this was the bolt locking on the door that Prescott was being kept. And he will be signed, even if he's tagged initially to buy more time. They're not going to give a new HC and his OC a QB on a one year with a new offense. Hiring Big Mike wasn't the clue to that, hiring Kellen Moore was.

Poor little trolls may have to put up with Dak leading the NFL in passing for the next 5 years. LOL

 

[Diehardblues]

McCarthy likes him, and commented specifically on him before he was ever hired. He likes Moore's play design.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/16/mike-mccarthy-coaching-nfl-fmia-week-15-peter-king/

I didn’t say he didn’t like him. But he’s Jerry’s boy. And Jerry wanted him back.

 

[CATCH17]

Well it's a huge stretch from "sounded like he was going to do it" to "Jerry and Stephen forced him into it."

Well obviously nobody has came out and said this was forced on him. I'm just connecting some obvious dots.

I'm also pretty sure McCarthy has been quoted as saying he wouldn't give up playcalling ever again like he did in GB but I may be wrong.

 

[CouchCoach]

That has always been the case.

Not to some.

 

[quickccc]

100%...

There was rumors from Jay Glazer that the team wanted to keep the entire offensive staff.. They actually still believed in those guys.

So they hired McCarthy...

Well McCarthy did not sound like a guy who was going to give up playcalling before he was hired or during his Press conference while being hired.

Then all of a sudden Kellen Moore was named the playcaller for this upcoming season.

IMO, he was most likely force on MM and they sold him on the idea of being a walk around guy.

I hate it. Absolutely hate it. You don't hire Mike McCarthy and not let him call plays.

I want no part of anything Linehan or Garrett approved of offensively around this team.

Rumors I heard was cowboys thought was hiring a defensive head coach so they can retain all of the offensive staff but somehow Jay Glazer helped convinced them of just making sure to hire a leader of men period

That's how McCarthy came into play

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m not able to share the newspaper who broke the initial story but here’s another story from Star Telegram in Ft Worth on Moore and McCarthy.

I’ll let you draw your own conclusions but I’d interpret it differently than the OP is attempting to present here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...o-keeping-offensive-coordinator-kellen-moore/

 

[CouchCoach]

Yes, but Coach would have ya believe it was McCarthy who was behind bringing Moore back.

In my opinion, it was Big Mike that brought him back. And that doesn't mean he didn't tell them in the interview that he might be one of the coaches he wanted to keep.

 

[morat1959]

LMAO, everything is just opinion.

I look at the facts and then consider them, except the ones I don't like, to form an opinion to fill in the rest of it.

For instance, Moore was allowed to seek other employment. If Booger had wanted to keep him, he wouldn't have released him. They released all the staff except for Garrett right after the final game. That tells me Booger was going for a NFL HC, not a college one that wouldn't know the players. If his new guy wanted to rehire some of the departed staff, that was his call. The idea that Moore was force fed on Big Mike is absurd. Moore is not some schlub that had to be forced on a HC. He was immediately offered the OC job with the Huskies, what was once considered a dream job to him, but Big Mike sold him on coming back to learn from him and be his guy for his QB. Makes sense doesn't it? New offense, try to keep some familiarity for the QB.

morat, I try to draw conclusions all the time with insufficient data and fill in the blanks, don't all of us do that? Especially all those talking heads on TV. If they can do it, why can't I?

Point well taken. I guess I’m just hoping your theory is wrong. I’m hoping the reason for Moore’s retention is based on he’s a bright, young offensive mind and MM can mentor him. I hope it has absolutely nothing to do with Dak. I could go into my spill on Dak since I’ve watched him play since HS but it’s just repetition. 25+ years of insanity does strange things to a fan base. I’m in the crowd that watched Starr take it over the goal line in the Ice Bowl. I’ve been hooked even since. The star on the helmet did that to alot of us as young athletes.

 

[CouchCoach]

I’m not able to share the newspaper who broke the initial story but here’s another story from Star Telegram in Ft Worth on Moore and McCarthy.

I’ll let you draw your own conclusions but I’d interpret it differently than the OP is attempting to present here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...o-keeping-offensive-coordinator-kellen-moore/

I am not attempting to present anything, I am presenting it. Just like all your "Booger on the grassy knoll" stuff.

 

[CouchCoach]

Point well taken. I guess I’m just hoping your theory is wrong. I’m hoping the reason for Moore’s retention is based on he’s a bright, young offensive mind and MM can mentor him. I hope it has absolutely nothing to do with Dak. I could go into my spill on Dak since I’ve watched him play since HS but it’s just repetition. 25+ years of insanity does strange things to a fan base. I’m in the crowd that watched Starr take it over the goal line in the Ice Bowl. I’ve been hooked even since. The star on the helmet did that to alot of us as young athletes.

He has the rep of being just that, going back to when Chris Peterson was his HC at BSU. Gruden spent a little time with him and was blown away with his knowledge of the game. Any QB that can accomplish what he did at BSU without being that 6'5" cannon armed wunderkind is impressive indeed.

But I do think he was kept to give Prescott some familiarity and not throw everything at him brand new. The TE coach is now his QBC. It's not a bad thing that he was brought back because he is bright and has a relationship with the QB.

 

[CouchCoach]

I’m not able to share the newspaper who broke the initial story but here’s another story from Star Telegram in Ft Worth on Moore and McCarthy.

I’ll let you draw your own conclusions but I’d interpret it differently than the OP is attempting to present here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...o-keeping-offensive-coordinator-kellen-moore/

Which is it, was he open or more than open? And that was reported as "word is" meaning rumor.

It is my opinion that Moore was not forced on McC, it was his choice to retain just as it was to keep Nussmeier and move him to QBC. It is not unheard of that new HC's retain some of the staff and from everything I've read, Moore was a players' favorite, even from the D.

 

[Diehardblues]

Which is it, was he open or more than open? And that was reported as "word is" meaning rumor.

It is my opinion that Moore was not forced on McC, it was his choice to retain just as it was to keep Nussmeier and move him to QBC. It is not unheard of that new HC's retain some of the staff and from everything I've read, Moore was a players' favorite, even from the D.

Lol... ok Coach. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion .

But if you don’t think Jerry influenced retaining Moore it’s my opinion you’re being very naive. Or just wanting to give more credit to FM.

I’d take it further than that but with our long and illustrious relationship I’ll let it ride out of respect for your opinion.

 

[Diehardblues]

I am not attempting to present anything, I am presenting it. Just like all your "Booger on the grassy knoll" stuff.

You’ve been over the top with FM worship and for some reason which is probably related to this fondness you’re developing are forgetting who’s still lurking over his shoulder and I find hard to believe you don’t think influenced retaining Moore.

As a matter of fact I’d wager that Dak and Moore were part of the understanding taking the job. And Jerry will always be a Suspect meddler in anything to do with Cowboys Football. One good decision doesn’t mean Jerry’s ways or sins have been washed away. Lol

 

[CouchCoach]

You’ve been over the top with FM worship and for some reason which is probably related to this fondness you’re developing are forgetting who’s still lurking over his shoulder and I find hard to believe you don’t think influenced retaining Moore.

As a matter of fact I’d wager that Dak and Moore were part of the understanding taking the job. And Jerry will always be a Suspect meddler in anything to do with Cowboys Football. One good decision doesn’t mean Jerry’s ways or sins have been washed away. Lol

Until proven otherwise, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

If I was as sure of everything as you are about Booger, I wouldn't even waste time with this team, I'd wait until he went toes up. Your complete hatred of the man doesn't allow you to consider one thing, he can still learn and change. Not a lot of sand left in the top of his hourglass and lifting that Lombardi just one more time might be just enough motivation for him to try it another way. Getting credit for training a HC is gone.