Would 3-years, $100 million get this thing done?

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I doubt it, but I can see Dak wanting to get another huge pay day when he's only 29. We'll see.
The market is going to blow up once the next TV kicks in. Thats around the time you see Mahomes and Watson get extened. As a comparable QB, Watson will get significantly more than what Goff, Wentz have gotten and what Prescott will get.
 

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Simple solution is to add voidable years at the end of the contract. Make it a 6 year deal but have the last years automatically void he’ll both parties get what they want. Dak gets out sooner to take advantage of the expected new CBA increases and the team gets a couple dummy years to prorate the cap out.
 

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I find it ironic that the guy who is inside the negotiations and should know the projected numbers better than anyone is the last guy to get his quarterback signed.

I think the AAV is set, it's just both sides being stubborn on term.

Isn't Dak's agent/group a huge celebrity agency?
 

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I'm sure they all will, but they'll be under contract with no leverage. Make no mistake, that's exactly why the Eagles and Rams rushed to get their guys locked up. Pay a bit more now, save a whole lot later.
Towards the back end of those contracts, it will probably be mutually beneficial for both side of those deals to renegotiate.

Eagles, Rams and Cowboys will all probably have two or three seasons of their franchise QB's taking a much chunk of cap than has been the norm. We arent in as bad a position as some fans think in regards to Prescott. The 2016 QB class will look broke compared to the 2017 QB class
 

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If it were up to me I would jump all over a 3-4 year deal. It makes Dak happy and the Cowboys get a longer look at him with a different offense in place. The only downside being that maybe the Cowboys are already committed to keeping Dak even if he is a 2nd tier quarterback (let's face it, even 2nd tier quarterbacks are hard to find and Dak is a good face for the organization). If that's the case they don't want to be in this exact same position 3-4 years from now and have to overpay,,, again.

I think it also buys the team some time as much as it gives Prescott that opportunity at a much bigger deal. Both sides assume some risk. If Prescott fails to perform, he doesn't see that truly huge money, and the Cowboys have time to look for his replacement in the draft or free agency. If he does perform? The Cowboys win, and then gladly pay the guy that won for them big money. Not ideal when it comes to the cap, but ultimately worth it if you're winning championships.

And something to note, in three years when Dak's deal would potentially come up, you would reach the 'out point' in Elliott's big contract as well as Lawrence's and have the option to free up money there.
 

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If the Cowboys sign Dak for $34 mil, with incentives, for four years I think both sides will likely have significantly compromised their targets.

I'm not too sure Dak is serious about holding out but it's really something that would quite surely impact their early season very seriously.
 
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Daks camp is all about the guaranteed money
Long term sure
But a 3 year deal all but guarantees the contract just because he would have injury protection for sure and it’s would be hard to transition away in say two years anyway
 

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Towards the back end of those contracts, it will probably be mutually beneficial for both side of those deals to renegotiate.

Eagles, Rams and Cowboys will all probably have two or three seasons of their franchise QB's taking a much chunk of cap than has been the norm. We arent in as bad a position as some fans think in regards to Prescott. The 2016 QB class will look broke compared to the 2017 QB class

I don't think these teams signed these huge money contracts to 'renegotiate them'. The Eagles in particular have a reputation of signing players early that look like bargains later in the contract, and not renegotiating. In fact, I can think of few quarterbacks that signed big money deals and then renegotiated for even more money later.
 

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All camps are concerned about guaranteed money.

Guaranteed money is killing the NBA (load management because of guaranteed money), and is the worst thing that can happen to the NFL. I can understand that elite players should be able to command a percentage of it guaranteed, but the lower, the better. It kills any and all incentive to actually produce like the rest of us have to do at our jobs
 

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Maybe if it was 3 years , 120 million and all guaranteed.
 

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Long term sure
But a 3 year deal all but guarantees the contract just because he would have injury protection for sure and it’s would be hard to transition away in say two years anyway

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Bingo! You sign a three year deal, even if only half $50 million is 'guaranteed', it's essentially going full term anyway. And I have no doubt that the guaranteed portion will exceed that anyway.
 

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Guaranteed money is killing the NBA (load management because of guaranteed money), and is the worst thing that can happen to the NFL. I can understand that elite players should be able to command a percentage of it guaranteed, but the lower, the better. It kills any and all incentive to actually produce like the rest of us have to do at our jobs

I would not argue that but any notion that it is only Dak would be false. All players are looking for Guaranteed money. I would at least say football is a bit more understanding because of the injury risk involved and it serves as protection for their future
 

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Bingo! You sign a three year deal, even if only half $50 million is 'guaranteed', it's essentially going full term anyway. And I have no doubt that the guaranteed portion will exceed that anyway.
The only issue from the teams side is the numbers per year
A 3 year deal is gonna be pretty much 3 fairly even years
So basically 35 mil each year
That’s a big whack
 

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The only issue from the teams side is the numbers per year
A 3 year deal is gonna be pretty much 3 fairly even years
So basically 35 mil each year
That’s a big whack

$33 million in this case. And it certainly is 'a big whack', but considering that they will easily have $80 million in cap room this year, it becomes much more manageable. And if and when that new CBA is worked out? Boom! The entire salary cap will be shooting up dramatically.
 

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I would not argue that but any notion that it is only Dak would be false. All players are looking for Guaranteed money. I would at least say football is a bit more understanding because of the injury risk involved and it serves as protection for their future
Can’t blame the players for wanting guarantees
Many have life long damage to their bodies
Can’t blame owners because if a guy doesn’t produce he still gets paid
 

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Can’t blame the players for wanting guarantees
Many have life long damage to their bodies
Can’t blame owners because if a guy doesn’t produce he still gets paid

That's why the guaranteed money is always the sticking point.
 

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Sure, it's yet another 'Dak thread'. If you don't like that or don't want to talk about it, you're not required to. But it seems like the most important order of business that the team has right now so I consider it a topic for conversation.

Based on what I'm reading, the holdup at this point is more about years than dollars. Dak and his agent know that the cap, and by extension player salaries, will be going up significantly under the new CBA. And teams like the Eagles and Rams realized that too, and that's why they seemingly rushed to get their quarterbacks signed even when they didn't have to.

Now that they have, those teams can pay more now with the ability to save big later on, or to cut bait if things don't turn out as they had hoped. Wentz' deal is already looking like a bargain, at an average of $32 million a year, and Goff's is heavily front-loaded, giving the Rams an out clause if they choose, or much lower costs down the road. Goff's deal averages $33.5 million a year.

Hypothetically, would you do a deal that pays a bit less than that in exchange for getting at some of that bigger cap money down the line? Is this a deal that works for the Cowboys?

It seems like a shorter deal, for a bit less money, and betting on yourself to get at even bigger money down the road, is a compromise that might finally get this deal done.

Thoughts from those who do want to discuss it?
If it’s all guaranteed.
 

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From everything I've read, 'Dak's camp is all about' the next contract.
There are a couple of reasons I agree with your 3 year deal concept. The first being that we give Dak essentially a prove it deal after the big bucks roll in and don’t hamstring ourselves for too far down the line.

Secondly, it wouldn’t prevent us from drafting a high potential qb still. If Dak falters, we have an ace in the hole after three years of grooming and he can go get his 40+ mil on some other team’s cap. If he succeeds we are still safe with a solid young backup or a tradable asset ala a Jimmy G perhaps.
 
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