Zeke is an average RB

[kskboys]

I kind of feel this. He's not average but his first or two, when he got the ball, it was shot out of a canon when he hit the hole and he was always downhill. This year he seemed...I'm not sure if slower if the right word..maybe hesitant. There were a few games where you saw the burst a play or two and then that was it. But it may have been use/scheme/line etc. Hopefully we get a better look under a new system.

I'm actually serious when I say he came in fat and out of shape. He should've been embarrassed after holding out for that huge contract.

 

[Corso]

No, its the dumbest theory I have ever heard.

Right on.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Seriously???



I hate the off season.

No, actually I am completely joking. But this is the mindset of the Dak trolls.

Any progress on getting a "I hate Dak" board so we dont muck up the "fanzone" forum?

After all.......isnt "Fanzone" for "Fans"?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke is a top 5 RB who didn't play top 5 level football because he's too fat.

If he's in shape next year, he'll be great, if not he won't. This is actually very easy to figure out.

I think fat is an excuse. I just dont think he has the best vision or quickness. Given equal carries, Pollard would be much more effective. However, he might have trouble carrying a full load. Which he doesnt need to. More of a 50/50 split would work better for me.

 

[CowboyRoy]

for a minute I thought this had to be another one of those super - old zeke hate threads .. but once I saw the original poster who created and the date-time, the mystery is over and another new day of zeke hate is on again, ..
and then to place the entire TEAM's failure on zeke... not the HC, not the OC...not the RB coach, ..but zeke himself and ALL of it on him. Some people love to create a villain to hate.

Go figure.

Im simply taking the Dak troll logic and applying it to Zeke. Sounds really dumb doesnt it? I felt stupid typing it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

By this standard, Walter Payton was a below average to average RB the 1st 4 years of his career, was a strong RB in his 5th season, dropped back to average to below average for 4 more years, then finally became a great RB the final 3 seasons of his career.

But we all know that's not reality. Reality is that there is more that goes into team success or failure than just the RB, and that a RB doesn't alternate between being outstanding or average or weak depending on the record of the team in a given season.

Does anyone really think Damian Williams was a better RB than Christian McCaffrey or Derrick Henry this past season?

I agree. Dumb standard. And its a standard that is dumb for Dak as well.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Strange how you don't apply that same 8-8 logic to the QB.

Because its dumb logic. I just wanted trolls like you to hear how silly you sound.

 

[kskboys]

Ya just don't draft a RB in the first round. General rule.

NE and SEA disagree w/ you, and they've done pretty well. Rams made a super bowl riding theirs.

 

[aikemirv]

We shouldn’t even field a team next year they should just skip the whole season and “work on ourselves”

Not sign Dak and we get Trevor Lawrence - that will work for me!

 

[CowboyRoy]

NE and SEA disagree w/ you, and they've done pretty well. Rams made a super bowl riding theirs.

I think you can draft a RB in the first round if he is a special talent on occasion. But it would have to be the FINAL piece and I definitely wouldnt take him in the top half of the draft.

And if I did...........I wouldnt restructure his contract early and would take the full 5 years I was gifted by using the first rounder.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I keep trying the dewey decimal system and it just makes things harder.
I don't know why people suggest switching to that decimal system...
I do find good books that way though, for some reason.

......Dewey decimal system sent me into flashback mode........less than half of this board would even know what that is and NONE of the millennials have even heard of it......it's called getting old I guess.

 

[KJJ]

Why are we paying an average RB to be the highest paid RB in the NFL? 8-8 proves that Zeke is average. Stats dont count, only wins.

How many teams have won SB's paying a QB to be the highest paid RB in the NFL? NONE

Your insight hasn’t improved any since the old board we were on. Zeke has led the NFL in rushing twice in his first four seasons with 1400+ yards. In 4 seasons he has over 5400 yards rushing and 40 TDs and you call that average? lol

 

[JW82]

I assume you mean compared to other hall of fame backs correct?

 

[DHCBF66]

Why are we paying an average RB to be the highest paid RB in the NFL? 8-8 proves that Zeke is average. Stats dont count, only wins.

How many teams have won SB's paying a QB to be the highest paid RB in the NFL? NONE

Coaching was below average, hopin that is fixed now!

 

[JW82]

This is where Zeke Ranks after 4 seasons with the top 10 rushing leaders of all time. (Side note- I forgot how insanely great Dickerson was to start his career, over 1000 more yards than LT in spot #2 lol)

1. Dickerson 6968 55TDs
2. LT 5899 54TDs
3. AP 5782 52TDS
4. Emmitt 5699 50Tds
5. Sanders 5674 52Tds
6. Zeke 5404 40TDs
7. Walter 5316 45TDs
8. Curtis 5086 40TDs
9. Tony D 4624 36Tds
10.Bettis 4522 24TDs
11.Gore 4441 22Ts

 

[quickccc]

Ya just don't draft a RB in the first round. General rule.

Whose general Rule ? Mel Kiper's ?

-With this no RB in 1st round; this is another one of those cases and clichés that many tend to tag along with just because about everybody else is saying it, ..

Thus far some will say it like this ...while another will say it like that.
" its more easier to get/find a back in the 2nd round or 3rd round. Look at Kamara, Aaron Jones, etc, etc."

- Also some were saying the usual clichés of "oh, this is more of a era of passing than it is running the ball, .. .the RB has become more " de-valued" in today's game

But how many of us " knew" a Kamara or Jones end up being that good ?
And what were their draft day grades and value in comparison to a zeke or barkley top 5 overall ?

- My draft belief in getting the zeke or barkley, they will have unique skill sets that will place them on another level than the above, other backs in the NFL.

and I will say the same with the RB position as I have with any other positions and that includes the QB role too, I do not believe in reaching and selecting a position
just for the very sake of choosing one because we have that dire need for one. You make sure he is warranted of that draft grade and draft round.
I. e. " Oh, we need a starting QB in the worst way, ...so let's make Christian Ponder or Justin Giebert a 1st round QB."

 

[dsturgeon]

About as efficient as your spelling.

I don't know what to tell people who don't want ot believe. The data is there for your study. I presented as much on numerous occasions. Zeke is a product of our offensive line and his volume. I wish it wasn't true. That doesn't make it so.

Data and statistics only work if used correctly, and that is rarely done. I bet your study and data only look at the offensive line, yards after contact and so on.

Explain how your study and data account for the defense playing to stop the run, and how that compares to the data on other teams where the defense doesn't play to stop the run.

Show the correlation of teams who play to run, who play to pass, who have a mix, to how the defenses play to stop the run, pass, and both, and how that relates to the production of the rb's.

Show how the skill of the qb and receivers relate to the production of the RB's, and how zeke correlates with other teams.

I am sure you have looked at all facets to determine your conclusion.

Or you can watch him run, and notice he always falls forward, breaks contact, turns nothing into something, doesn't get hurt, can run, catch, and block.

I didn't want to give zeke another contract. I would have put it elsewhere, but he is really good.

 

[OmerV]

I agree. Dumb standard. And its a standard that is dumb for Dak as well.

Ahh, so this was designed to make a point. I agree that it is a dumb standard. You have to look at the whole picture to make reasonable judgements, not just the team record in an individual season.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

About as efficient as your spelling.

I don't know what to tell people who don't want ot believe. The data is there for your study. I presented as much on numerous occasions. Zeke is a product of our offensive line and his volume. I wish it wasn't true. That doesn't make it so.

Oh wow...you really told him! Set him straight! Errors and typos in all manner of professional writings from published books, magazines, journals, to internet articles and blogs to very official government documents...

but that one "e" really disproves his case and he needs by god set straight! Great win bro! GREAT win!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I think you can draft a RB in the first round if he is a special talent on occasion. But it would have to be the FINAL piece and I definitely wouldnt take him in the top half of the draft.

And if I did...........I wouldnt restructure his contract early and would take the full 5 years I was gifted by using the first rounder.

I think people forget that Zeke was SUPPOSED to be, at least ONE OF...the final piece for Romo. Now as far as the big contract....I think maybe people are forgetting why Romo was so bashed up all the time.....and why Dak...isn't. That is worth a big chunk of the contract ya ask me.

I really wish we could ditch this contract nonsense for ALL the players and start a clean slate this year, maybe into next. I guess for people that have spent the last 4 years beeching about Jason G have a little trouble stopping the beech train?