Video: Cowboys made a mistake dragging out Dak’s contract

fredp22 said:

why do I keep reading and disagree that we are dragging our feet. We made a fair offer. The player has accomplished nothing and wants to be highest paid. Its the player thats being unreasonable and is "dragging it out".
Hope the team learned from caving into Zeke that overpaying is not in the best interest of the team or in any way improves the player.

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ABQCOWBOY said:

Not sure that's actually the way that works. I mean, I know there is not a contract officially but there is a matter of the offer sheet and that, I believe has to be moved on by mid April or something so there is a driver there. I mean, if there is no team out there who provides a decent offer to Dak then the market is set correct? For example, a team offers the Cowboys X, X draft picks but only offers 30 mil annually, then Dak and his agent understand that the offer from the Cowboys is the best deal he's going to get right? So lets say a team offers X, X drafts and then Offers Dak 37, the Cowboys need to make a decision. They move forward and accept the deal or they match right? I mean, that's kinda what the process is designed for so it doesn't make sense, to me, why a player would do that. If you get the offer the matching offer from the team, then how do you hold out? If you don't sign the tender, then where are you at? The market isn't there and all you are doing, at that point, is missing game checks. I don't know how that could be a realistic stance for Dak or his agent if tagged as transitional.

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atlantacowboy said:

1. That actually is how it works.

Per the CBA, should a player not sign the tender his team offered, he has until the Tuesday following the 10th week of the regular season to do so, or he will not be able to play that season, "absent a showing to the impartial arbitrator of extreme club or personal hardship."

It is rare for a player to sit out on a tag, but it does happen. See Leveon Bell. So, if we franchise tag Dak and he sits, he'll report no later than week 10 to get his acrued year and avoid being in the same spot.

2. If Dak receives the transitional tag, it will absolutely lower his market value making an acceptable offer highly unlikely. No team is going to part with 2 first round picks AND pay him top 3 QB money. Those cheap first round contracts become even more valuable to teams paying big QB money. There is a reason few teams have been successful in recent memory without QB's on rookie contracts.

3. Best case if we don't sign him is to franchise tag and trade.........maybe get one first round pick.

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garyo1954 said:

Franchise tag is $26,895,000
Transition tag is $24,373,000

Stephen probably has a good idea of what market would offer him, therefore he mentioned the transition tag. Match that offer and retain him. Likely its less than the $33 million they offered.

But he has to sign the tag to be traded. If he doesn't sign the tag, like LeVon Bell he gets to sit out and is a free agent next year.

Of course, by then he's let two draft classes go by (2020 and 2021), and he's not likely to be in anyone's plans since he hasn't proven to be a team player, his skills are rusty, he hasn't taken a snap in a year and yada, yada, yada (whatever else a team can say to drive the price down if they want to sign him).

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atlantacowboy said:

Those numbers make no sense. The lowest paid top 5 Qb salary is over 32 million. https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/ So, a franchise tag is going to be 33-34 million.

The question isn't what the market would or might offer Dak. The question is what is Dak willing to sign for and we already know its north of 33 million.

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garyo1954 said:

Franchise tag is $26,895,000
Transition tag is $24,373,000

Stephen probably has a good idea of what market would offer him, therefore he mentioned the transition tag. Match that offer and retain him. Likely its less than the $33 million they offered.

But he has to sign the tag to be traded. If he doesn't sign the tag, like LeVon Bell he gets to sit out and is a free agent next year.

Of course, by then he's let two draft classes go by (2020 and 2021), and he's not likely to be in anyone's plans since he hasn't proven to be a team player, his skills are rusty, he hasn't taken a snap in a year and yada, yada, yada (whatever else a team can say to drive the price down if they want to sign him).

Let's edit that after looking at Bell's situation.......

"In the case of Bell, even though he did not get an accrued season in 2018, if he were to be tagged again by the Steelers in 2019, it would count as his third franchise tag; it would not revert to his second. Per the CBA, Pittsburgh in that case would be required to tender Bell non-exclusively (with first- and third-round comp picks attached) at the average of the top five highest-paid players at the league's highest-paid position."

Seeing that it would appear if Dak sits out we can tag him again next year. Pretty much ruin his chance anywhere if sat out 2020 and 2021.

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garyo1954 said:

The franchise and transition numbers are here......

https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders/

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Corso said:

You need more clarification on your numbers.

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garyo1954 said:

Guess I better learn some gazintas, eh?

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Corso said:

"Subject to change when the new cap enforces"

Which is in a few days.

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garyo1954 said:

Probably about March 1st. But I bet all my gazintas it ain't going up $10 million!

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Corso said:

Lol... the cap? Or the Tag?
I'll assume the tag. And which tag?

Let's look at the numbers when they happen that will be relevant before throwing irrelevant numbers out, yes?

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garyo1954 said:

Yes, I'm sure there will be 870000 threads on the new cap and tag numbers with reasons why we can/we can't sign everybody and be one big happy family.

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Idgit said:

I did consider those games. It’s all part of the picture.
And I’m not excusing anything. I’m observing the quality of his play and recognizing excuses aren’t necessary.

and I’m not suggesting you should apologize for being wrong about extending Dak. I just said I don’t understand how you could be mistaken on the topic.

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atlantacowboy said:

1. That actually is how it works.

Per the CBA, should a player not sign the tender his team offered, he has until the Tuesday following the 10th week of the regular season to do so, or he will not be able to play that season, "absent a showing to the impartial arbitrator of extreme club or personal hardship."

It is rare for a player to sit out on a tag, but it does happen. See Leveon Bell. So, if we franchise tag Dak and he sits, he'll report no later than week 10 to get his acrued year and avoid being in the same spot.

2. If Dak receives the transitional tag, it will absolutely lower his market value making an acceptable offer highly unlikely. No team is going to part with 2 first round picks AND pay him top 3 QB money. Those cheap first round contracts become even more valuable to teams paying big QB money. There is a reason few teams have been successful in recent memory without QB's on rookie contracts.

3. Best case if we don't sign him is to franchise tag and trade.........maybe get one first round pick.

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ABQCOWBOY said:

I read that but again, what are the chances that happens and why? I asked earlier, why would Dak's camp hold out if the Market is clearly set? If nobody gives a better offer, why in the world would Dak sit for a season? It's money out of his pocket because he misses 10 game checks. That's like 17 mil he just throws away, assuming we use the 27 mil tag figure. Why would he do that if it's clear there is no better offer on the table? He is asking for a short contract to be able to go back to the table in a couple of years, once the CBA is in place and Mahomeboy gets his new deal. That's exactly what he would be getting if he just signed the tag and showed up. If there is no better offer coming, then what is the point of sitting out till week 10? Consider, by week 10, we are either playing with a QB who is giving us a chance to make the playoffs and it's iffy that Dak gets the starts upon a week 11 return or, we are tanking to get the highest pick we can in the following draft so why play Dak in that scenario? How does that help Dak and his negotiating position if he just sits out the entire season? I don't see that as a logical step for Dak but I do agree, the language would seem to allow for that if Dak and his camp want to sit out for no good reason.

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atlantacowboy said:

If it was just about economics , he would have signed last year. Now, there's feelings and pride mixed up in the whole negotiation. Dak isn't going anywhere near the cowboys training facility and has stated as much. He has also said he's not playing on a tag. So, he's either going to cave or eat some words.

In any case, the cowboys 2020 season is swinging in balance. The new coaches need time with Dak. Dak needs time to practice and improve. If this drags on into TC and beyond, Jerry will probably cave first and Dak knows it. Or, maybe the water is so poisoned at that point that his agent pushes for a trade. Dallas has 2 months to figure out a plan B.

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ABQCOWBOY said:

I read that but again, what are the chances that happens and why? I asked earlier, why would Dak's camp hold out if the Market is clearly set? If nobody gives a better offer, why in the world would Dak sit for a season? It's money out of his pocket because he misses 10 game checks. That's like 17 mil he just throws away, assuming we use the 27 mil tag figure. Why would he do that if it's clear there is no better offer on the table? He is asking for a short contract to be able to go back to the table in a couple of years, once the CBA is in place and Mahomeboy gets his new deal. That's exactly what he would be getting if he just signed the tag and showed up. If there is no better offer coming, then what is the point of sitting out till week 10? Consider, by week 10, we are either playing with a QB who is giving us a chance to make the playoffs and it's iffy that Dak gets the starts upon a week 11 return or, we are tanking to get the highest pick we can in the following draft so why play Dak in that scenario? How does that help Dak and his negotiating position if he just sits out the entire season? I don't see that as a logical step for Dak but I do agree, the language would seem to allow for that if Dak and his camp want to sit out for no good reason.

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