Dak Hater's Myth: We Can't Build Around a QB Market Value Contract

Brax said:

So says the other side of Trolls.

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glimmerman said:

He had a huge hole around that side and if he scores it would have changed the pressure on the packers. We would have continued the momentum.

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JoeKing said:

Acceptable, hell yes, that would be stealing his services. Dak can/will get so much more than that.

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Aviano90 said:

Yes, that fumble was bad. But the real momentum killer occurred the previous drive at the end of the first half, when Romo fumbled the 3rd down snap preventing any shot of converting and keeping the ball. Bailey then missed the FG attempt, got lucky to get a 2nd chance and had that one blocked. Our defense gives up a long pass to Rodgers, GB kicks their own FG at the end of the 1st half and instead of being up 21-7 or 17-7 at half we are only up 14-10.

Murray's fumble was on the 1st possession of the 2nd half and was horrible too, but the snake bitten Dallas Cowboys had already shown up to the game by that point. The momentum had already shifted.

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buybuydandavis said:

Really stretching it out to blame Romo for the string of events. Why not blame the ref for overturning the first down on the previous play? Why not blame Witten for failing to get the first down?

40 seconds left, 3rd and 1, at the 27. That's probably a FG even if we get the first. Ladouceur getting a penalty, Leary failing to block the kick blocker, and the defense giving up a huge play. None of those are Romo.

The result of Romo dropping the ball should have been Dallas getting 3 and the Packers getting nothing. The drop was no more a momentum changer than Witten not running for another yard.

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Aviano90 said:

I am not blaming Romo, I am blaming that possession followed by the defense allowing GB to kick a FG before the half as the momentum shift in the game. Romo’s fumble was one part of that. Keep reading the thread and I blame Garrett for calling the stupid timeout which allowed the over turned first down.

Murray’s fumble on the next offensive possession was just a continuation of the bad luck at the end of the first half.

BTW, that FG block was all on Bailey. He didn’t kick the ball high enough. The defense didn’t even get penetration. They just jumped at the LOS and was able to tip the ball.

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buybuydandavis said:

Money is fungible. There are all sorts of players we could have signed or extended for the Romo money.

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There are all sorts of players"

buybuydandavis said:

Post facto, the Romo contract was bad. We got one healthy year (a great year in 2014) for 3 years of record setting pay. We were also in a position to trade him and a couple of years that voided on his previous contract because he was still on the team.

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buybuydandavis said:

That's the risk of guaranteed money. Players can break. Dak isn't old, but he could break too. Hearing about his recurring shoulder injuries to his throwing shoulder in college did not encourage me.

The example of Romo's record breaking contract is not evidence *in favor* of signing a big money guaranteed contract to *any* QB.

Guys we may not sign because of Dak - Byron, Quinn, Brown, Bennett, Jarwin extension, other young guys we could extend now, other available free agents.

Somebody would probably give us some picks in trade for Dak. We save 35mil/yr and 100mil+ guaranteed. That's a lot of extra cash to build a team with, and not locking in guaranteed money leaves you free to pursue and hit on QBs on their rookie contract.

Churn running QBs, maybe you get one who can throw too. Like Dak.

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buybuydandavis said:

I'd say it was two momentum shifts. Missing the FG. Then giving up a big play to get GB in position for their FG.

But go back a little farther. From the GB 42 a 6 yard pass to Witten and a 3 yard run by Murray burned 1:12 of the 2 minutes remaining.

We were just giving up on the drive and waiting on a FG. So very Jason Garrett.

You got a video somewhere on the block? I remember it as over Leary.

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Qcard said:

"There are all sorts of players" you couldn't even name one player... Please answer the question!! I truly appreciate your effort.

I love Romo but I am not one of these delusional fans who think he's more than a very good RHO player.

This ridiculous....Romo gave us a team friendly deal and just like Witten and Lee, Romo was always willing to help the cap.

His INJURY made the contract a bad deal. Romo was getting ready to destroy every defense if he stayed healthy but he couldn't take a hit anymore...

Don't blame Romo's Contract. You should blame Garrett and his incompetent staff for not capitalizing on the talent and draft picks.

So you scared we lose Quinn, Blake, Brown and Byron.....fair answer!!

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buybuydandavis said:

I'd say it was two momentum shifts. Missing the FG. Then giving up a big play to get GB in position for their FG.

But go back a little farther. From the GB 42 a 6 yard pass to Witten and a 3 yard run by Murray burned 1:12 of the 2 minutes remaining.

We were just giving up on the drive and waiting on a FG. So very Jason Garrett.

You got a video somewhere on the block? I remember it as over Leary.

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Aviano90 said:

No, but I recall watching it over and over and not seeing any penetration. I will look for it though. I would be surprised if it isn’t in the long highlight reel of the game.

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buybuydandavis said:

Funny Garrett. Runs off 1:12, then calls the time out. What a putz.

I wonder, though, should that even have been reviewed without a challenge? Obviously a bad spot, but I don't think they review every spot automatically, even within 2 minutes.

No penetration at all on the kick. Some guy behind GB's first line just gets really high.


Don't know what happened on the snap. Announcers called it a bad snap. Maybe extra juice on it, but it was on target. Looks like Tony just took his eye off it for a second. The oline got off on the snap in time.

Looking at it again, maybe a *lotta* juice on that ball. Maybe something wrong on the snap count. The oline got off on the snap, but the ball is at Tony's hands before the WRs have moved a muscle.

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DFWJC said:

That was the point and the issue that many have.
27/yr is the present day equivalent of what Romo got.. Or maybe 40-45 million less than what Dak may end up getting over 5 years. Many consider that overpaying and harmful to the team.
But its just varying opinions

In other words, people do think Dak will accept 27, but many feel that is his max value
Hes gonna get way more than 27 though...true.

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JoeKing said:

People are thinking and feeling too much about this.

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gjkoeppen said:

First why are you using 2019 instead of 2020 numbers? Mahomes will be the salary setter.
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DFWJC said:

Meant to say people DO NOT think Dak would accept the same salary cap percent that Romo took...which would currently be 27/yr.

I don’t believe anyone thinks that.

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Kaiser said:

Short answer is the web page with the 2013 numbers stopped at 2019, I'm not sure if the 2020 numbers are out yet.

Long answer is I don't think the Mahomes number will have a big impact on Dak's number. His agent has already asked for the moon, I don' think either side will seriously consider Dak to be in the same category as Mahomes.

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ABQCOWBOY said:

Well, this really isn't true. I mean none of the QBs in the AFC were top 10. Jackson, Mahomes, Brady, Watson, Allen or Tannehill were in the top 10.

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gimmesix said:

It was true in the NFC. The fact that it wasn't true in the AFC just shows that it's pretty much irrelevant, which was really my point. If there was only one way to get to the playoffs and Super Bowl, every team would be doing it that way.

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