Myth of salary compared to how elite a player is

StuckMojo said:

Yes let’s follow the example set by the Lions !

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the Niners did the same thing with Jimmy G

that franchise has really fallen apart too hasn’t it

DakPresgoat said:

the Niners did the same thing with Jimmy G

that franchise has really fallen apart too hasn’t it

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You guys won’t be happy until Dak is highest paid player. And San Fran has a defense. Which once we overpay all our offensive players we will not have any money to build a defense. I know Dak is going to get paid and probably Cooper too, I just hope the contracts are structured so we can build a top notch defense.

StuckMojo said:

You guys won’t be happy until Dak is highest paid player. And San Fran has a defense. Which once we overpay all our offensive players we will not have any money to build a defense. I know Dak is going to get paid and probably Cooper too, I just hope the contracts are structured so we can build a top notch defense.

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We couldn’t get a defense when our QB cost $465k. Our draft picks suck and we were too afraid to get a top tier free agent to bolster it.

Dak could continue to play for $465k per year, the defense will continue to suck and he would still be hated.

Aviano90 said:

We couldn’t get a defense when our QB cost $465k. Our draft picks suck and we were too afraid to get a top tier free agent to bolster it.

Dak could continue to play for $465k per year, the defense will continue to suck and he would still be hated.

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He confuses what we are saying. We aren't saying we hope Dak is highest paid or top 3 in pay. What we are saying is Dak has earned that salary and will be paid accordingly due to the market. Has nothing to do with what we want.

Irvin88_4life said:

Do I have seen guys say Dak shouldn't get paid top 2 money because he isn't top 2 in the league.

Let's look at Zeke. Most on here that say Dak shouldn't get top QB salary was wanting Zeke to get paid top RB money but yet Zeke wasn't even a top 5 RB this season.

Same thing with Cooper, I haven't seen anybody say he should take much less money because he isn't top 5 receiver in the league.

What about Lawrence? Was he a top DE this season....... the answer is no but he got paid like it.

Jaylon took a little less but still around that top 5 money but is he a top 5 LB.

Byron Jones will get top 3 money but is he even a top 5 CB?

I have seen Phillips DT from Bills where some want to sign him. Is he a top 5 DT in this league? No, but he still get paid.

All these are examples are just about the year they sign because in another year or two those players most likely will be outside top 10 in salaries at their position.

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I have.

Irvin88_4life said:

Do I have seen guys say Dak shouldn't get paid top 2 money because he isn't top 2 in the league.

Let's look at Zeke. Most on here that say Dak shouldn't get top QB salary was wanting Zeke to get paid top RB money but yet Zeke wasn't even a top 5 RB this season.

Same thing with Cooper, I haven't seen anybody say he should take much less money because he isn't top 5 receiver in the league.

What about Lawrence? Was he a top DE this season....... the answer is no but he got paid like it.

Jaylon took a little less but still around that top 5 money but is he a top 5 LB.

Byron Jones will get top 3 money but is he even a top 5 CB?

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Collins. Great value but I'm not sure it made the most sense for us with Wiliams available to move to RT. Probably had something to do with Tyron's poor health the previous two seasons. They wanted to lock in a quality T.
Jaylon looked headed to be an elite LB. Young and improving Pro Bowl player after 2018. Looked like a great signing. Very wrong. Jaylon just ain't right.
Lawrence - very good but not elite DE. Some of us didn't want to pay him.
Zeke - elite but declining RB. Some of us didn't want him to pay him.

Byron, top 3? Betcha not, but we'll see. I certainly don't want *us* to pay Byron top 3 money.

The trick this year is the new CBA, which appears to be bumping pay generally. Maybe Byron and Dak get pushed into elite money relatively to current contracts if they get signed before the CBA, but will likely soon be pushed under elite after.

Can anyone look at the Zeke and Lawrence signings and think "great job!"? I can't. The fact that we made poor calls on Zeke and Lawrence does not constitute evidence that we should back up the Brinks truck to Dak's house. If anything, the opposite.

I expect Dak to play on the tag. Dak gets to see how the CBA shakes out. McCarthy gets to see what Dak's got. It makes sense for both sides to wait.

Irvin88_4life said:

Do I have seen guys say Dak shouldn't get paid top 2 money because he isn't top 2 in the league.

Let's look at Zeke. Most on here that say Dak shouldn't get top QB salary was wanting Zeke to get paid top RB money but yet Zeke wasn't even a top 5 RB this season.

Same thing with Cooper, I haven't seen anybody say he should take much less money because he isn't top 5 receiver in the league.

What about Lawrence? Was he a top DE this season....... the answer is no but he got paid like it.

Jaylon took a little less but still around that top 5 money but is he a top 5 LB.

Byron Jones will get top 3 money but is he even a top 5 CB?

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OK, hold on a moment, your logic here is problematic. You're citing a long list of examples of the Cowboys overpaying for players.....as a reason why Dallas ought to continue to overpay for players.

That's like someone saying, "I already overspent on a car, overspent on my laptop, overspent on my cell phone plan, so why shouldn't I overspend on a house, too?"

ABQCOWBOY said:

I'm probably one of the worst posters on this entire board over that. It's a curse. My Wife doesn't even listen to me anymore when I say something is too much. She just gives me that look and hands over my CC. For me, it's not about how much I like or dislike the players normally. Don't get me wrong, there have been players that I just don't want on the team but yeah, nobody calls me up for opinion so there is something to the idea of remembering I'm the fan and not the team. It is what it is but I do understand both sides of the dilemma.

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That a great response!
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StuckMojo said:

Sometimes you have to realize you don’t have to overpay Just because every other team is doing it

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I've use this before and I'm going to use it again. I remember when we could buy a 5 stick pack of Wrigley's gum for 5 cents, what's the cost of gum today? The people that say that Prescott should only get 25 mil a year max are the same people that want to buy gum for what it once was instead of what it costs today.. They either fail to realize or understand that the price of players go up every year. These people want the price that it was in previous years instead of what the actual price is today.
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daboyzruleperiod said:

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Mahomes is not just a legendary SB winning QB already but also rated #3 all time??
Wow!
There is nothing "legendary" about Eli Manning as far as I'm concerned.

daboyzruleperiod said:

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Elite has been so overused that I wondered when a new word would be created to separate out the actual elite QBs. And now we have it...legendary. I wonder how many years it takes for that term to be watered down?

Irvin88_4life said:

So because the lions has never had success they shouldn't have paid their franchise QB or any other team in the league? Yep, that makes total sense

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88 when someone posts something like Jake did why even answer. You had a good point and post. If you dont mind some advise, some of the posters here are either young kids with no brains yet or adults with no brains, no common sense and just ignorant. Good job enjoyed your points of view

Irvin88_4life said:

Do I have seen guys say Dak shouldn't get paid top 2 money because he isn't top 2 in the league.

Let's look at Zeke. Most on here that say Dak shouldn't get top QB salary was wanting Zeke to get paid top RB money but yet Zeke wasn't even a top 5 RB this season.

Same thing with Cooper, I haven't seen anybody say he should take much less money because he isn't top 5 receiver in the league.

What about Lawrence? Was he a top DE this season....... the answer is no but he got paid like it.

Jaylon took a little less but still around that top 5 money but is he a top 5 LB.

Byron Jones will get top 3 money but is he even a top 5 CB?

I have seen Phillips DT from Bills where some want to sign him. Is he a top 5 DT in this league? No, but he still get paid.

All these are examples are just about the year they sign because in another year or two those players most likely will be outside top 10 in salaries at their position.

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Personally I was one who said Dallas should have simply traded Zeke when he held out with 2 years remaining on his contract. I also felt the same way about Demarcus Lawrence....just like I feel that way about Dak.

You are dealing with a position (RB) that is a dime a dozen, a player (Lawrence) that racked up sack totals just prior to his needing a new contract but his first 2 years and last year did crap, and lastly a player (Dak) who racked up stats last season by the help of his buddy OC Kellen Moore to get a big new deal but only led the team to an 8-8 record.

Sorry but Dallas has made a lot of poor contract extension choices recently that has screwed the team.

StuckMojo said:

Giving a player top pay when he is not top at his position is overpaying. If there was no salary cap I wouldn’t care what he was paid.

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none of the top players would be signing with you then.
Then there is the evaluation part, you might think a player is top and pay him and then he isnt.
or the opposite, dont pay him and he goes elsewhere and does great.

I am curious, if you are kc's gm and mahomes contract was up, what would you offer him this year right now?
How high would you go, what would be the ceiling right now.

StuckMojo said:

You guys won’t be happy until Dak is highest paid player. And San Fran has a defense. Which once we overpay all our offensive players we will not have any money to build a defense. I know Dak is going to get paid and probably Cooper too, I just hope the contracts are structured so we can build a top notch defense.

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I’m not asking for Dak to be the the highest paid player. I want him to sign the team friendliest deal possible. I’m just not pissing and moaning about the possible cap ramifications of a hypothetical contract that hasn’t even been signed yet.

I have no problem with paying Dak top 3 money. I just don’t think he should get more than Wilson. 34 or even 35 but right under Wilson. I heard him say he didn’t expect SB winning QB money. But it seems now he is. I don’t like the way him and his agent are treating this. And the FO. Not sure who is right but hearing he turned down 33 a year. But then hearing the FO hasn’t contacted them in 4 months. So did we offer 33 a year 4 months ago. If so just offer him the 4 year 140 million and see if he accepts. If he don’t then tag him.

What posters are willing to pay a player is based on how well they like him. "Pay the man"!

The Cowboys did that with Lawrence and Elliott and now they're looking at the problem, they can't realistically keep a contender contending with poor cap management. They have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position.

The question is and always has been, since the cap came into being, "when has a team reached too much to too few"? They're getting ready to go where no team has gone before and could have 7 of their starting 11 on O in the top 6 paid at their position. How does any team build a D or have any depth unless they're a drafting demon? Is this team that?

Poor cap management + mediocre drafting = ?

As I have been saying, the problem here is that Jerry does overpay his own players but refuses to overpay for other free agents, and I am not even sure he would be overpaying them. He could have signed any free agent DE in the league last year for less than he paid for Lawrence. He chose to overpay Lawrence and Zeke because Jerry really believes they are the best - because HE drafted them. He gave Lawrence $65 million guaranteed. Lawrence responded by getting 5.5 sacks! I am not saying Lawrence is a bad player. He is a very good player. But Jerry gave him about $5 million a year more than he is worth. The Cowboys are going to pay for this at some point, its inevitable.

Irvin88_4life said:

Do I have seen guys say Dak shouldn't get paid top 2 money because he isn't top 2 in the league.

Let's look at Zeke. Most on here that say Dak shouldn't get top QB salary was wanting Zeke to get paid top RB money but yet Zeke wasn't even a top 5 RB this season.

Same thing with Cooper, I haven't seen anybody say he should take much less money because he isn't top 5 receiver in the league.

What about Lawrence? Was he a top DE this season....... the answer is no but he got paid like it.

Jaylon took a little less but still around that top 5 money but is he a top 5 LB.

Byron Jones will get top 3 money but is he even a top 5 CB?

I have seen Phillips DT from Bills where some want to sign him. Is he a top 5 DT in this league? No, but he still get paid.

All these are examples are just about the year they sign because in another year or two those players most likely will be outside top 10 in salaries at their position.

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Jerry is the king of bad contracts.

DakPresgoat said:

the Niners did the same thing with Jimmy G

that franchise has really fallen apart too hasn’t it

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He's still w/them?!