Are our QBs 'coach killers'?

Redball Express · Apr 17, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
The game had passed Parcells by.

Phillips is a good DC but not a good HC.

Garrett didn't get a new deal because it was obvious he isn't capable of consistently winning in January.

It all starts at the top. The HC calls all the shots.

And it's important to remember it's a team game. W-L records simply can't be put all on the QB.

Maybe not.

But I think they say..

One is a coincidence..

Two is a trend..

Three is a habit.

Do not know what they say Four is.

Rockport · Apr 17, 2020

Redball Express said:
Now do not freak out about asking this.

It's not another Dak thread.

It's about the position as it has been regarded over the years and chasing success with our team.

I will start with Romo.

Parcells had Sean Payton from the Giants come to Dallas when Parcells arrived. Rumor was that Payton was the next HC. Payton recruited Romo and he became a FA 4th string QB.

Instead the New Orleans job came and off Payton went along with Ireland.

Coach #1,Parcells, toughed it out and eventually Parcells had to sit Drew Bledsoe and start Romo. That marriage lasted a short while and one day, Parcells worried about Romo and his style of play being unpredictable and turnover prone.

Parcells called Romo "A Coach Killer".

The die was cast.

The first coach over Romo left, Parcells. You could say Payton was a second but I will not go that far. Payton wanted Brees.

Next, Phillips, Coach #2.. He had some success with Romo followed by a decline of the team.

Phillips was fired.

Romo survived but it became very apparent Romo the QB was the lead talent the team felt it must have.

Coach #3..Garrett took over. Three straight years of 8-8 followed along with rollercoaster years all over the map.

Dak replaced Romo.

Dak rose quickly initially then leveled off missing the playoffs twice in his first 4 season and only advancing past the first Rd. twice and no further.

Now Garrett is gone.

Up steps McCarthy..Coach #4.. It's way to early to say with Big Mike what is ahead.

But it's not too early to ask..

Are the QBs we ask to lead this team coach killers and just unable to win it all in the NFL?

Our QBs have gone thru Parcells, Phillips and Garrett as HCs. They are now on their 4th coach trying to win.

Is there any correlation with the fact that Romo was a FA and Dak is essentially a 4th Rd selection got any impact with the coaches failing?

Or is it just that we can not hire good HCs?

For us to break this downward spiral, do we just need to draft or trade for a top QB and move away from the bargain shopping at QB we always seem to do in the last 25 years.?

I know these questions will be to some slamming Romo and Dak.

But that is not my intent.

Is it really the coaching that is inferior or is it the QBs being assigned to the task.?

Ok..over to you.

We have plenty of time to discuss this.

BTW..T-shirts saying.." Coach Killer Walking" will be available at checkout. Just a little humor there.

Have a great weekend.

Please post a link or something that quotes Parcells as calling Romo a coach killer. I never heard that and would like to know if it’s true.

Big_D · Apr 17, 2020

Rockport said:
Please post a link or something that quotes Parcells as calling Romo a coach killer. I never heard that and would like to know if it’s true.

I looked, couldn't find it, but I do have a vague recollection of Parcells saying this 'tongue in cheek'. Not serious at all.

DeaconBlues · Apr 17, 2020

No, don't believe in multiple QB coach killers.

I do believe in individual thread killers.

Like the OP.

Not saying it was the OP.

Just like the OP.

Rockport · Apr 17, 2020

Big_D said:
I looked, couldn't find it, but I do have a vague recollection of Parcells saying this 'tongue in cheek'. Not serious at all.

I loved Parcells and can honestly say I’ve seen every press conference he had as the Cowboys head coach. Pure gold the knowledge I gained from those. I never remember hearing him say Romo was a coach killer. The OP is a known Dak hater troll. The only threads he posts are hating on Dak. He’ll post lies like this one to try to add credence to his trolls. Sadly, some people don’t know any better and swallow.

kskboys · Apr 17, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I would say its pretty obvious that our coaches have been QB killers, not the other way around.

Troll on!!!!

That's about what I was going to say. W/ the horrific coaching we've had since Tuna, how could anyone even tell?

CowboyRoy · Apr 17, 2020

kskboys said:
That's about what I was going to say. W/ the horrific coaching we've had since Tuna, how could anyone even tell?

Garrett in particular has had top 10, franchise QB's the entire time he was here. And both of those QB were lucky finds. He caught lightning in a bottle twice and couldn't take advantage of it. What would that clown have done if he didn't have a franchise QB? Unreal how bad he was.

cern · Apr 17, 2020

Redball Express said:
Now do not freak out about asking this.

It's not another Dak thread.

It's about the position as it has been regarded over the years and chasing success with our team.

I will start with Romo.

Parcells had Sean Payton from the Giants come to Dallas when Parcells arrived. Rumor was that Payton was the next HC. Payton recruited Romo and he became a FA 4th string QB.

Instead the New Orleans job came and off Payton went along with Ireland.

Coach #1,Parcells, toughed it out and eventually Parcells had to sit Drew Bledsoe and start Romo. That marriage lasted a short while and one day, Parcells worried about Romo and his style of play being unpredictable and turnover prone.

Parcells called Romo "A Coach Killer".

The die was cast.

The first coach over Romo left, Parcells. You could say Payton was a second but I will not go that far. Payton wanted Brees.

Next, Phillips, Coach #2.. He had some success with Romo followed by a decline of the team.

Phillips was fired.

Romo survived but it became very apparent Romo the QB was the lead talent the team felt it must have.

Coach #3..Garrett took over. Three straight years of 8-8 followed along with rollercoaster years all over the map.

Dak replaced Romo.

Dak rose quickly initially then leveled off missing the playoffs twice in his first 4 season and only advancing past the first Rd. twice and no further.

Now Garrett is gone.

Up steps McCarthy..Coach #4.. It's way to early to say with Big Mike what is ahead.

But it's not too early to ask..

Are the QBs we ask to lead this team coach killers and just unable to win it all in the NFL?

Our QBs have gone thru Parcells, Phillips and Garrett as HCs. They are now on their 4th coach trying to win.

Is there any correlation with the fact that Romo was a FA and Dak is essentially a 4th Rd selection got any impact with the coaches failing?

Or is it just that we can not hire good HCs?

For us to break this downward spiral, do we just need to draft or trade for a top QB and move away from the bargain shopping at QB we always seem to do in the last 25 years.?

I know these questions will be to some slamming Romo and Dak.

But that is not my intent.

Is it really the coaching that is inferior or is it the QBs being assigned to the task.?

Ok..over to you.

We have plenty of time to discuss this.

BTW..T-shirts saying.." Coach Killer Walking" will be available at checkout. Just a little humor there.

Have a great weekend.

We need good defensive coaches. The offense wasn't bad. The defense kept giving up the big plays.

SSoup · Apr 17, 2020

There are only three ways a QB can "kill" a coach.

1. The QB can be terrible, in which case the coach gets run off for committing the crime of failing to fill the most important spot on the team. This is a common downfall for lots of failed head coaches.

2. The QB can be too good for a coach to get away with claiming their very good QB is the problem.

3. The QB can use his power and influence to shove a coach out because they displease him in some way, either for petty reasons or personality clashes or genuinely not believing in them as a coach or scheme guys.

Our quarterbacks, since the day we made Romo our starter, have been in the 2nd category. Having good QBs is benefit, not cost. Though if you're a Dave Campo type who wants to hang around for 3 years of constant losing (and I mean actual losing, not merely being bummed when the team goes 8-8 instead of having a winning record), having honest-to-God expectations and not being able to blame the unsettled QB position would be a real a drag.

ondaedg · Apr 17, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Did he have more turnovers than our 13-3 campaign? Y-E-S.

More turnovers tend to lead to less victories.

So stop the nonsense of reading something I didn't write.

You're implying his increased INTs are causation for 5 more losses then saying you didn't write it. Confused.. Either way, by your logic because he had .4 more turnovers/game than the 13-3 season we lost 5 more games? Yah that logic is rock solid. :thumbup:

Jimmy Garopolo had +3 more INTs, -3 less TDs, and -1000 less yards than Dak yet his team went to the super bowl with a 13-3 record. Using your logic I keep getting a BSOD.

Dak has a better career td:int ratio than:

Dan Marino
Brett Favre
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Steve Young
Dak is 5th best all time actually so I'll stop here

ondaedg · Apr 17, 2020

cern said:
We need good defensive coaches. The offense wasn't bad. The defense kept giving up the big plays.

Don't forget the league'$ worst ST unit and a defense ranked in the bottom 5 in takeaways.

We were 32nd in starting field position. Wayyy too much pressure on the offense.

SSoup · Apr 18, 2020

cern said:
We need good defensive coaches. The offense wasn't bad. The defense kept giving up the big plays.

The fetish we had for offense during the Romo era really crippled the team.

He was penciled in as our starter for 10 drafts (2007 through 2016), and during that span, we spent 7 picks on offense and only 4 on defense. That's almost a 2-to-1 disparity in how much more we valued offense at the expense of defense.

And a lot of those offensive picks were real luxury picks. A backup RB in Felix (in the same offseason after we already locked up Marion Barber to a big extension to be our workhorse). A #3 WR in Roy Williams. Interior o-linemen who turned out great but, still, it's big resources to spend on interior line positions. And of course a top 5 pick on a RB even though we'd just proven that a journeyman off the street who no one else wanted could walk into our offense and finish as the 4th leading rusher in the league with our line.

Granted, if we'd just *hit* on the 4 defensive picks we made, things might be different.

In an 8-year career, Spencer gave us one double-digit sack season where he played well enough to justify his 1st round status That's 7 years where he wasn't worth it. If you invert that number and he gives us 7 really good seasons instead of just the 1 really good one, Romo probably retires with a ring.

If Claiborne lived up to the "best corner in the draft class" hype, Romo probably retires with a ring.

So far, we've been more interested in defense during the Dak drafts, and that mere interest in defense is at least reason for optimism that we're perhaps going to prioritize defense in a way that might keep us from squandering the Dak era like we did with the Romo era. Taco in 2017 and LVE in 2018 before gong offense with Amari 2019. Granted, I don't like the economics of needlessly spending 1st round resources on a 43 linebacker in this day and age when the pass rush and secondary are the premium spots, but whatever.

catiii · Apr 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
Now do not freak out about asking this.

It's not another Dak thread.

It's about the position as it has been regarded over the years and chasing success with our team.

I will start with Romo.

Parcells had Sean Payton from the Giants come to Dallas when Parcells arrived. Rumor was that Payton was the next HC. Payton recruited Romo and he became a FA 4th string QB.

Instead the New Orleans job came and off Payton went along with Ireland.

Coach #1,Parcells, toughed it out and eventually Parcells had to sit Drew Bledsoe and start Romo. That marriage lasted a short while and one day, Parcells worried about Romo and his style of play being unpredictable and turnover prone.

Parcells called Romo "A Coach Killer".

The die was cast.

The first coach over Romo left, Parcells. You could say Payton was a second but I will not go that far. Payton wanted Brees.

Next, Phillips, Coach #2.. He had some success with Romo followed by a decline of the team.

Phillips was fired.

Romo survived but it became very apparent Romo the QB was the lead talent the team felt it must have.

Coach #3..Garrett took over. Three straight years of 8-8 followed along with rollercoaster years all over the map.

Dak replaced Romo.

Dak rose quickly initially then leveled off missing the playoffs twice in his first 4 season and only advancing past the first Rd. twice and no further.

Now Garrett is gone.

Up steps McCarthy..Coach #4.. It's way to early to say with Big Mike what is ahead.

But it's not too early to ask..

Are the QBs we ask to lead this team coach killers and just unable to win it all in the NFL?

Our QBs have gone thru Parcells, Phillips and Garrett as HCs. They are now on their 4th coach trying to win.

Is there any correlation with the fact that Romo was a FA and Dak is essentially a 4th Rd selection got any impact with the coaches failing?

Or is it just that we can not hire good HCs?

For us to break this downward spiral, do we just need to draft or trade for a top QB and move away from the bargain shopping at QB we always seem to do in the last 25 years.?

I know these questions will be to some slamming Romo and Dak.

But that is not my intent.

Is it really the coaching that is inferior or is it the QBs being assigned to the task.?

Ok..over to you.

We have plenty of time to discuss this.

BTW..T-shirts saying.." Coach Killer Walking" will be available at checkout. Just a little humor there.

Have a great weekend.

I think it depends on the QB and the coach.
IMO Romo was awesome but actually killed by Garrett and JJ (no protecton.)
Dak is a coach killer because of his limited ability.
That's for starters. No simple answer.

Patrick · Apr 18, 2020

"It's not a Dak thread"

Now here are reasons Dak sucks and is a coach killer but I try not to make it obvious.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 18, 2020

ondaedg said:
You're implying his increased INTs are causation for 5 more losses then saying you didn't write it. Confused.. Either way, by your logic because he had .4 more turnovers/game than the 13-3 season we lost 5 more games? Yah that logic is rock solid.

Jimmy Garopolo had +3 more INTs, -3 less TDs, and -1000 less yards than Dak yet his team went to the super bowl with a 13-3 record. Using your logic I keep getting a BSOD.

Dak has a better career td:int ratio than:

Dan Marino

Brett Favre

Joe Montana

Peyton Manning

Steve Young

Dak is 5th best all time actually so I'll stop here

I'm implying turnovers lose games. The stat that means more than any other is winning the turnover battle. You can argue that if you want. But I wasn't just talking about Dak when I said what I said. So while your taking up for Dak why don't you take up for every QB through out the whole entire history of the NFL. So your getting a BSOD from yourself.

Here's a simple yes or no question for you.

Do you really think the QB turning the ball over helps his team win games?

darthseinfeld · Apr 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
Search it yourself. Any longtime fans are aware of his remark.

Be my guest

I make it a rule to not do others research.

If you are making the claim, you need to be able and willing to back it up with evidence

DFWJC · Apr 18, 2020

Parcells loved Romo,
He did like to ride his players
What are you even talking about.

Now I remember this part of Red.
He was anti Romo for years. Always seeing things through sone weird prism.

PAPPYDOG · Apr 18, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
We really need to make rules where certain posters can only make a thread every three days or so

LOL....now they want to police us......lol....

Hawkeye0202 · Apr 18, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
13-3 Dak very few turnovers.
8-8 Dak more turnovers than usual.

Turnovers can kill a drive and lose a game. As turnovers go up winning percentages go down. That's why Parcells called Romo a coach killer, turnovers.

Jameis Winston threw for the most yards last year and probably had the most turnovers too. Good QB play is not about compiling stats, it's about taking care of the ball.

+1

RJ_MacReady · Apr 18, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
They need a Stupid thread forum. Its where people would go if they want to read this kind of drivel.

Man, wouldn’t that be great!

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All Aboard!!!

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