Archer: How The Cowboys Are Adding Depth, Not Leverage With Andy Dalton

Super_Kazuya

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They could do that anyway. They have a history of holding the line under less favorable circumstances.

Do you have any idea how Dalton performed last season? His YPA, pick rate, and completion percentage has been below average to bottom quartile for the last 3 years.

It's entertaining that your faction is hitching your hopes to that wagon.
It’s entertaining that your faction is pretending that the Cincinnati Bengals offense is anything like the Cowboys. And the Bengals, believe it or not, were even worse when Dalton got benched.
Go back to sleep, Fuzzy. Your weekly drop ins are getting dumber and dumber.
 

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This is really going to be a telling season for Dak Prescott, his loyal fans are all behind him, new coaching stafff, the defense looks improved, more weapons on offense. If he can't lift this team at least to a playoff spot and a win or two in them, those Dak fans wearing the rose colored glasses may have to switch to pink.
 

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If Dak being hurt was truly the reason Dallas lost to the Eagles with the division on the line then signing Andy Dalton makes sense. It just seems weird they would tender Cooper Rush instead of addressing the position before now.

It's called a no risk hedge of a bet. They wanted a better backup, but put a marker in place on a guy who knows the building and the personnel already, and also knows how Moore wants to operate. Once Dalton showed a willingness to sign, they can let Rush go with no cap impact.
 

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I fail to see how it provides any leverage. Dalton signed for backup money. If you actually look at what VFA starting QBs even the bad ones sign for it should be obvious.

Do you honestly think that Dak and his reps are worried that Dalton is taking their job. By your logic, when the Cowboys signed Kosar in the early 90s it was a comment on Aikman.

And I REALLY like how you take what is obviously Dak's camp and the Cowboys brass with two different narratives, acting like "they" were the same entity, and that you can glean anything meaningful from media posturing.
The difference being that Aikman was highly superior to Kosar. The difference between Dak and Dalton is not nearly as much of a divide. Would be interesting to see a real open qb competition in camp. Will never happen though, Jerry loves Dak.
 

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It’s entertaining that your faction is pretending that the Cincinnati Bengals offense is anything like the Cowboys. And the Bengals, believe it or not, were even worse when Dalton got benched.
Go back to sleep, Fuzzy. Your weekly drop ins are getting dumber and dumber.

:lmao:Your defense is that Dalton is better than Ryan Finley. Bravo. Set that bar high, don't you. . . .

And I went back three years on purpose. Green and Eifert were prime when Dalton's decline began 3 seasons ago. Dalton has been bad for awhile and getting worse.

As for my faction, that would have to be not-GROD and that is about it. I have been highly critical of Dak and his reported price points. I'm just not so idiotically desperate to get rid of him that I will hitch my wagon to starting Dalton.
 

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The difference being that Aikman was highly superior to Kosar. The difference between Dak and Dalton is not nearly as much of a divide. Would be interesting to see a real open qb competition in camp. Will never happen though, Jerry loves Dak.

Dalton was good 4 years ago. You obviously not looked at how he has performed since then. If you had you would recognize the cliff he fell off of three seasons ago.
 

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:lmao:Your defense is that Dalton is better than Ryan Finley. Bravo. Set that bar high, don't you. . . .

And I went back three years on purpose. Green and Eifert were prime when Dalton's decline began 3 seasons ago. Dalton has been bad for awhile and getting worse.

As for my faction, that would have to be not-GROD and that is about it. I have been highly critical of Dak and his reported price points. I'm just not so idiotically desperate to get rid of him that I will hitch my wagon to starting Dalton.
What are you babbling about? There is no “decline”... until last year, Dalton had basically been the same as always, except for the positive outlier in 2015. Small year to year variations in YPA are meaningless, it would be more accurate to just say he was always average. As usual, you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
 

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GROD is real try hard when it comes to the mental gymnastics to conclude Dak is on the way out but this signing doesn't carry water towards that end.

Dalton is not accepting a $3m contract with any expectation that start. Even with incentives it's not 8 figures.
People keep saying Dalton never had pieces around him in Cincy. That's not how I remember it.
 

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Actually this is a really smart signing by the Cowboys. Smart in regards to Dallas having a viable backup QB, but also smart just by the perception as being leverage against Dak and his agent.
Correct... it can be both.

ooh, I feel like a Dak slobberer posting a random tweet as some kind of ironclad viewpoint. At least mine is from a “blue checkmark” instead of a random build a Dak stat factory account with 35 followers. lol
 

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Oh I see the Dak bias in some because where is the coaching excuses that Dak always gets? Them two are the same player and I’m willing to bet a grand total of 1 big dollar if Dak holds out there will be no drop off in our usual 8-8 &9-7 trajectory we normally get with Dak

Any Dalton has never had a year in his career close to what Dak did last year. To compare Dak's numbers last year to Dalton's 9 years in Cinci its not close. Dalton never threw within 500 yards of what Dak did, it would be Dalton's 2nd highest completion % (note that Dak has 2 other years that would be career highs for Dalton), 1st in TDs, 1st in YPA, 2nd in INT % (I am trying to account for the 3 years where Dalton missed time due to injury/benching). For most of those years, Dalton had the benefit of, among others, AJ Green, who would be head and shoulders above every other WR on the depth chart,

They are dumping Dalton because he was not good. Dak is in that 7-13 range of QBs whereas Dalton is in that 20-35 range of QBs who teams just settle for but need to replace if they are going to compete seriously.
 

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GROD is real try hard when it comes to the mental gymnastics to conclude Dak is on the way out but this signing doesn't carry water towards that end.

Dalton is not accepting a $3m contract with any expectation that start. Even with incentives it's not 8 figures.

I have found some people will not reason in life even if the facts are staring them in the face.
 

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If Dak being hurt was truly the reason Dallas lost to the Eagles with the division on the line then signing Andy Dalton makes sense. It just seems weird they would tender Cooper Rush instead of addressing the position before now.

Signing Rush was a no brainer for us. He got *no* guaranteed money. Not a vested vet yet. Only 3 accrued seasons.

Getting Dalton on the cheap was an opportunity they probably hadn't planned on. Bengals tried to trade him but couldn't.

But no reason to dump Cooper's rights regardless. We might have wanted him. Now we've done better and barring injuries, probably won't.
 

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Dalton has never had an offense like this one around him,,, maybe there's a reason he's willing to take less to come here.

And what happens when DAK holds out and Dalton lights it up as the starter......good by DAK
 

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Any Dalton has never had a year in his career close to what Dak did last year. To compare Dak's numbers last year to Dalton's 9 years in Cinci its not close. Dalton never threw within 500 yards of what Dak did, it would be Dalton's 2nd highest completion % (note that Dak has 2 other years that would be career highs for Dalton), 1st in TDs, 1st in YPA, 2nd in INT % (I am trying to account for the 3 years where Dalton missed time due to injury/benching). For most of those years, Dalton had the benefit of, among others, AJ Green, who would be head and shoulders above every other WR on the depth chart,

They are dumping Dalton because he was not good. Dak is in that 7-13 range of QBs whereas Dalton is in that 20-35 range of QBs who teams just settle for but need to replace if they are going to compete seriously.
Like I keep telling your other Dak friends I don't care what out of context googled stats you bring they are the same player period. Let Dak not show up in the regular season guarantee by week 4 nobody will even care if he ever comes back. Dak is average and if he left he'd be like one of his football brothers Kirk Cousins and wouldn't improve the new team. Y'all just aren't used to nothing so y'all think average is awesome.
 

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Like I keep telling your other Dak friends I don't care what out of context googled stats you bring they are the same player period. Let Dak not show up in the regular season guarantee by week 4 nobody will even care if he ever comes back. Dak is average and if he left he'd be like one of his football brothers Kirk Cousins and wouldn't improve the new team. Y'all just aren't used to nothing so y'all think average is awesome.

So basically the facts do not matter to you because your gut says he is average and your gut has the power to override reality. The numbers, aka the facts of his 9 year career, do not back your claim. Watching Dalton play does not back your claim. I can offer a plethora of evidence to show Dak is a top 10 QB in the NFL, but I also cannot find a scintilla of evidence to show Dalton as a top 20 right now. That is a BIG deal when it comes to the potential of a team.
 

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Correct... it can be both.

ooh, I feel like a Dak slobberer posting a random tweet as some kind of ironclad viewpoint. At least mine is from a “blue checkmark” instead of a random build a Dak stat factory account with 35 followers. lol

That dude's shirt is awesome.
 
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