Question re: Dak and greed

Proof · May 11, 2020

I know I know, I just couldn’t help myself despite the numerous Dak threads.

This really isn’t a question of what you think he should be paid, or what he deserves, more do you honestly think it’s just “greed” considering the (league relative) peanuts he played for for 4 years?

No matter what your opinion on him as a player or as your teams QB, there is NO argument that he massively outplayed his draft position and associated contract. Stepping in from day one as the starter and on through the present, he’s made roughly what we’re giving Dalton to the be the backup for a year. And he did it without a peep. There was never any holdout talk, any salary talk, any hint of bitterness or entitlement, just did his job and fulfilled the contract in full and without any drama around it.

With that said, I (personally don’t begrudge him for pushing for whatever he wants, because that’s the mechanics of the league in the same fashion the contract he previously received and honored. I’m just not seeing the greed.

JBS · May 11, 2020

Without anybody knowing all of the facts..I think the general consensus is that dak isn't being greedy..those that are against paying dak just don't think he's worth the money..they don't think he's being greedy

MarcusRock · May 11, 2020

JBS said:
Without anybody knowing all of the facts..I think the general consensus is that dak isn't being greedy..those that are against paying dak just don't think he's worth the money..they don't think he's being greedy

Except those that say he's being greedy because he's not worth what he's asking. Lol.

Sorry, but I'm seeing that most of the nervous nellies are calling him greedy. They don't stop at Dak either. And when were knowledge of facts ever needed around here for folks to start applying labels to others?

Proof · May 11, 2020

JBS said:
Without anybody knowing all of the facts..I think the general consensus is that dak isn't being greedy..those that are against paying dak just don't think he's worth the money..they don't think he's being greedy

this is more for the folks that have loudly and explicitly called him greedy

WillieBeamen · May 11, 2020

Its not greed. He (his agent) is negotiating with an owner that is known to cave in these situations. I dont blame him...

With that said, rescind the tag and get him away from
my favorite team, immediately

cowboyec · May 11, 2020

I don't have a problem with Dak trying to get the best deal he can.
and.
I don't have a problem with the front office trying to get the best deal they can.
Both sides are doing what they're supposed to do.

CowboyRoy · May 11, 2020

Proof said:
I know I know, I just couldn’t help myself despite the numerous Dak threads.

This really isn’t a question of what you think he should be paid, or what he deserves, more do you honestly think it’s just “greed” considering the (league relative) peanuts he played for for 4 years?

No matter what your opinion on him as a player or as your teams QB, there is NO argument that he massively outplayed his draft position and associated contract. Stepping in from day one as the starter and on through the present, he’s made roughly what we’re giving Dalton to the be the backup for a year. And he did it without a peep. There was never any holdout talk, any salary talk, any hint of bitterness or entitlement, just did his job and fulfilled the contract in full and without any drama around it.

With that said, I (personally don’t begrudge him for pushing for whatever he wants, because that’s the mechanics of the league in the same fashion the contract he previously received and honored. I’m just not seeing the greed.

Yep, Dak has massively proven the Dak trolls dead wrong.

And I don't really blame either party for the negotiation. But honestly, I would have liked to see Dak get this over with sooner. If the offer is 5 years at 35 million, he should have accepted that a week or two ago. Asking for more or being stubborn over one year so you can cash in early again seems greedy to me in a way.

He seems to hang out a lot with Zeke Idiot. Maybe he is rubbing off on him.

InTheZone · May 11, 2020

there's definite greed involved, no spinning that in any way. You can't bring up what he made before as that was his contract and the NFL runs under a cap. I'm not here to argue if he should've made more before, can only discuss what he should be making going forward based on the value he presents to the team. Any offer over 30 mil/year is more than enough for the QB position, let alone Dak. We don't know the definite offers out there, but we do know the Cowboys in no way are offering something so low that Dak should just turn his nose up.

We have the talent to win with any QB, and we may not have a QB that can take us far into the playoffs so i say go with the cheaper option and find the next man to run the offense.

CowboyRoy · May 11, 2020

JBS said:
Without anybody knowing all of the facts..I think the general consensus is that dak isn't being greedy..those that are against paying dak just don't think he's worth the money..they don't think he's being greedy

Dak isn't worth the money. Wilson isn't worth the money. No QB is worth the money. Its sort of a side point.

Never the less, you don't cut Dak you sign him.

ItzKelz · May 11, 2020

Agent is doing what's best for his client. Can't fall for the smooth talking of JJ. Ultimately if Dak gets a 4 year contract it will help NFL players leverage how much they can make

Cowboy-33 · May 11, 2020

JUST. STOP. IT.

OmerV · May 11, 2020

Proof said:
I know I know, I just couldn’t help myself despite the numerous Dak threads.

This really isn’t a question of what you think he should be paid, or what he deserves, more do you honestly think it’s just “greed” considering the (league relative) peanuts he played for for 4 years?

No matter what your opinion on him as a player or as your teams QB, there is NO argument that he massively outplayed his draft position and associated contract. Stepping in from day one as the starter and on through the present, he’s made roughly what we’re giving Dalton to the be the backup for a year. And he did it without a peep. There was never any holdout talk, any salary talk, any hint of bitterness or entitlement, just did his job and fulfilled the contract in full and without any drama around it.

With that said, I (personally don’t begrudge him for pushing for whatever he wants, because that’s the mechanics of the league in the same fashion the contract he previously received and honored. I’m just not seeing the greed.

You're right that he way outplayed his previous contract, but the previous contract was only about his draft position and really is irrelevant to his current negotiation. I don't blame him for wanting to get what he feels is fair, but I would blame him if I were to find that part of his goal is to make up for not getting paid more the last 4 years. I don't think that's really part of his motivation though.

JJHLH1 · May 11, 2020

I’m confused by Dak.

He seems to be that rare player who is willing to bet on himself, which is great.

But then he says he’s going to hold out. Why not play on the tag, get tagged again next year, then really cash in two years from now?

Runwildboys · May 11, 2020

Maybe it's just me, but I think anyone who turns down enough money to live very, very comfortably for the rest of his life, because he wants more is being greedy. Whether anyone can blame him for being greedy is a different matter. But unless he wants more money, just so he can give that much more to charity, it's greed. I don't see any other option.

CowboyRoy · May 11, 2020

InTheZone said:
there's definite greed involved, no spinning that in any way. You can't bring up what he made before as that was his contract and the NFL runs under a cap. I'm not here to argue if he should've made more before, can only discuss what he should be making going forward based on the value he presents to the team. Any offer over 30 mil/year is more than enough for the QB position, let alone Dak. We don't know the definite offers out there, but we do know the Cowboys in no way are offering something so low that Dak should just turn his nose up.

We have the talent to win with any QB, and we may not have a QB that can take us far into the playoffs so i say go with the cheaper option and find the next man to run the offense.

LOL...…..we have talent to win with ANY QB?

Really? Because all you have been saying for 4 years now is that Dak isn't good enough and we need an elite QB.

Amazing how the narratives change whenever its convenient.

But this is the best line of your entire post:

and find the next man to run the offense

As if its that easy. Like its no problem...…...just move on. You talk of wallowing in mediocrity yet you want a path that probably certifies we will be there for who knows how long?

More mindless talk from a bitter troll that still cant get over how good Dak has become despite your prediction to the contrary.

We finally get rid of Garrett and now you want to tear the team down? Thank the heavens no one like you is anywhere near running this organization.

Proof · May 11, 2020

OmerV said:
You're right that he way outplayed his previous contract, but the previous contract was only about his draft position and really is irrelevant to his current negotiation. I don't blame him for wanting to get what he feels is fair, but I would blame him if I were to find that part of his goal is to make up for not getting paid more the last 4 years. I don't think that's really part of his motivation though.

sorry, that’s not what I’m implying. I’m saying just from a logical standpoint what if his whole mentality is just following the structure and landscape of the market /CBA, extending to his previous deal. Meaning he never complained because that’s how things work, and is approaching this deal with the same mentality.

“the cap is x and increasing, previous QBs and contemporaries make x, the franchise tag for the next two years pays x, so thus is what I want”

Proof · May 11, 2020

cowboyec said:
I don't have a problem with Dak trying to get the best deal he can.
and.
I don't have a problem with the front office trying to get the best deal they can.
Both sides are doing what they're supposed to do.

Fair lol

blueblood70 · May 11, 2020

Not greed

a skewed over valuing of himself ie EGO..sure he should fight for all he can and the FO should fight to get the best deal BUT WHEN YOU SEE FAIR AND A HUGE DEAL IN FRONT OF YOU , BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF , TAKE THE FN DEAL.

its being talked about all over sports medias and most say the same thing he has to be crazy to turn down any deal north of 34 and north of 100 guaranteed..especially with the possibility of cap issues the next 2 seasons recovering from covid19 relayed losses in revenue..

his ego being fed by his agents friends and family are the bigger issue..he truly believes he one of the best 3 qbs(elite) and wants more then RW.thats crazy.. top 10, 12 at worst starting qbs should not have that big of ego..

if he passes this up plays on the tag , next season tag might be way less and his value way down worth a lower cap.

America's Cowboy · May 11, 2020

I believe Dak is pissed off with Jerry and Stephen and how they gave the moon to other players while they kept pushing Dak to "prove himself" over and over and over.

I would be pissed with Jerry and Stephen as well if they treated others better than their franchise QB who has never missed a game, played every play, and given his all while getting better and better every year for the past 4 seasons.

CowboyRoy · May 11, 2020

JJHLH1 said:
I’m confused by Dak.

He seems to be that rare player who is willing to bet on himself, which is great.

But then he says he’s going to hold out. Why not play on the tag, get tagged again next year, then really cash in two years from now?

Dak never said he was going to hold out. Just like he never said he wanted 40 million.

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