Opinion: Dak will not take a offer less than Deshuan Watson’s value

Denim Chicken said:

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Connor LOL has one of the largest Dak crushes on social media.
Trust nothing he posts.....

Denim Chicken said:

Sure, if you want to pay $40+ mil

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If he shows himself worthy, I wouldn't mind that much. I seriously doubt he will.

I think he's a $15-20 million QB that can't move the team any better than Andy Dalton. This offense is built to eat up yardage even with an average quarterback.

He's got a lot of developing to do in order to be worthy of a long-term deal for crazy money.

Pay the guy that can get you in the end zone. Dak struggles mightily with that against good defenses.

ABQCOWBOY said:

Wow. You really go from one extreme to the other right? I didn't say "Most Recent". I said more recent but I can see what you are doing here and where this is going.

Lets just get back to the facts. Fact, we've only ever had one franchise QB that was a first round pick. We've had 4 that were drafted in the later rounds or not drafted at all. I mean, if your premise of QB purgatory is accurate, how do you account for that?

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How recent is recent? I first went back to Andrew Luck and that seemed fairly recent and that where the 1/3 number came from (and MUCH lower after the first round).

As for your question, the NFL was a different game before the early 2000s. You did not need the kind of talent at QB to succeed that you do now. Finding Dak was a spot of good luck, but its not exactly something you can replicate. I have won 17 games of Blackjack in a row, but that did not change the odds of the game. I could not replicate without several thousand attempts, even if I use the best information available to tilt the odds in my favor, but for that one moment I got lucky.

Adreme said:

How recent is recent? I first went back to Andrew Luck and that seemed fairly recent and that where the 1/3 number came from (and MUCH lower after the first round).

As for your question, the NFL was a different game before the early 2000s. You did not need the kind of talent at QB to succeed that you do now. Finding Dak was a spot of good luck, but its not exactly something you can replicate. I have won 17 games of Blackjack in a row, but that did not change the odds of the game. I could not replicate without several thousand attempts, even if I use the best information available to tilt the odds in my favor, but for that one moment I got lucky.

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I'd say the last, say five years or so. That's kind of when we really saw offenses change to more of a run and shoot concept.

Your answer is supposed to be the answer for what question? So far as I can tell, it doesn't really answer anything I've asked you. Please clarify.

ABQCOWBOY said:

I'd say the last, say five years or so. That's kind of when we really saw offenses change to more of a run and shoot concept.

Your answer is supposed to be the answer for what question? So far as I can tell, it doesn't really answer anything I've asked you. Please clarify.

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2015-Mariotta and Winston (0-2)
2016-Wentz, Goff, and Lynch (2-3 and I am being very generous with the 2)
2017-Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson(2-3)
2018-Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson (1-5)
2019-(tad early but sure) Murray Jones, Haskins (1-3)

That is 5 years (if we use 2014 its another 0-3 but while all 3 of those fit your "run and shoot" style its past 5 years) and in those 5 years you are somewhere between 5-16 and 7-16. If we use 2014 ts 5-19 and 7-19. If you wanted to exclude the top 5, because the Cowboys have too much talent to be drafting anywhere but mid teens at worst and you cannot really reach the top 5 from there, you exclude 8 of the QBs picked of which 3 were successful and that moves you to 3-8 which is interesting in and of itself because it shows that the first round QB and his success is generally not dependent on where he is picked in that round but just that he is picked in that round (or it could be that a sample size of 8 is far to small to draw conclusions off of).

Also the question I was answering, and I am sorry if I answered the wrong question or misinterpreted it, was the question as to how the Cowboys were able to routinely find QBs in the lower rounds. i would argue that before the early 2000s, maybe late 90s with Peyton, the QB position was not as valuable and you had a lot of mediocre QBs, such as Bradshaw, who you could win Super Bowls with. That plus the advent of new metrics and measurables made it a lot clearer what makes a 1st round QB versus a 4th round QB. As that came around the odds of success became firmly in favor of teams who were drafting QBs high and while you had the occasional Tom Brady, there would be 15-20 bums in between him and the next successful one.

Adreme said:

2015-Mariotta and Winston (0-2)
2016-Wentz, Goff, and Lynch (2-3 and I am being very generous with the 2)
2017-Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson(2-3)
2018-Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson (1-5)
2019-(tad early but sure) Murray Jones, Haskins (1-3)

That is 5 years (if we use 2014 its another 0-3 but while all 3 of those fit your "run and shoot" style its past 5 years) and in those 5 years you are somewhere between 5-16 and 7-16. If we use 2014 ts 5-19 and 7-19. If you wanted to exclude the top 5, because the Cowboys have too much talent to be drafting anywhere but mid teens at worst and you cannot really reach the top 5 from there, you exclude 8 of the QBs picked of which 3 were successful and that moves you to 3-8 which is interesting in and of itself because it shows that the first round QB and his success is generally not dependent on where he is picked in that round but just that he is picked in that round (or it could be that a sample size of 8 is far to small to draw conclusions off of).

Also the question I was answering, and I am sorry if I answered the wrong question or misinterpreted it, was the question as to how the Cowboys were able to routinely find QBs in the lower rounds. i would argue that before the early 2000s, maybe late 90s with Peyton, the QB position was not as valuable and you had a lot of mediocre QBs, such as Bradshaw, who you could win Super Bowls with. That plus the advent of new metrics and measurables made it a lot clearer what makes a 1st round QB versus a 4th round QB. As that came around the odds of success became firmly in favor of teams who were drafting QBs high and while you had the occasional Tom Brady, there would be 15-20 bums in between him and the next successful one.

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Mariotta could be the starter this next season.
Winston lead the league in passing last season.
Mayfield, Darnald, Allen and Jackson are all starters.
Murray, Jones both starters and Haskins will likely be the starter in Washington this season.

What are you getting at here? I don't understand how you are rating these players.

Thank you for clarifying what you were trying to answer. Here is the problem, and for the record, I'm not sure you understood the question being asked, the point is that the Cowboys have been able to do very, very well finding QBs in rounds other then the 1st. Perhaps better then any other organization in the entire history of the NFL. Meredith was drafted in the 3rd round, out of SMU in 1960 I believe. Game was certainly different then from today. Roger was drafted in the 10th round, out of Navy in 1964. Game was certainly different then in Meredith's days in the 70s, when Roger actually entered the league as a starter. Danny White was drafted 1974 in the 3rd round, out of ASU. Again, game was different in the 80s then it was in the 70s. Tony Romo was an Undrafted Free Agent out of Eastern Illinois. Once again, game was very different in 2000s/2010s then it was in the 80s. Dak Prescott was drafted in the 4th round, out of MSU in 2016. Yep, game was different then in any of the times prior to. What do all of these QBs have in common? 1. All considered Franchise talents 2. None taken in the 1st round 3. All played in different eras of the NFL but all highly successful. So you see, Era doesn't really matter. The Cowboys have been able to find QBs in later rounds in every Era. Changes in the game don't matter, you can find talent all along the draft and the team has proven that.

Would you be surprised to learn that it's easier to play QB today then it was back in the day? Much more difficult to play the position then, as opposed to now.

erod said:

Dak intends to play on the franchise tag and wait for the market.

That would be GREAT for Dallas.

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Only problem is that he will put up very good numbers with this offense because it's ridiculously loaded with five first round draft picks and the vast majority of investment of resources all in the group. Brian Hoyer would make the pro bowl with this offense next season. True story. It just gets tiresome because the wak dak lovers will just bang on about his garbage time inflated stats and when he falls short against a good team people will just blame the secondary or that it was too windy or something else.

I would rather he just ****** off before next season.

Swagger said:

Only problem is that he will put up very good numbers with this offense because it's ridiculously loaded with five first round draft picks and the vast majority of investment of resources all in the group. Brian Hoyer would make the pro bowl with this offense next season. True story. It just gets tiresome because the wak dak lovers will just bang on about his garbage time inflated stats and when he falls short against a good team people will just blame the secondary or that it was too windy or something else.

I would rather he just ****** off before next season.

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I agree. It doesn't really matter if Dak is better or if Dalton is better. If my impressions of each QB are accurate, there really isn't enough difference in their present skills to fail this Offense. I think a lot of QBs could post big numbers in this Offense. JMO

Swagger said:

Only problem is that he will put up very good numbers with this offense because it's ridiculously loaded with five first round draft picks and the vast majority of investment of resources all in the group. Brian Hoyer would make the pro bowl with this offense next season. True story. It just gets tiresome because the wak dak lovers will just bang on about his garbage time inflated stats and when he falls short against a good team people will just blame the secondary or that it was too windy or something else.

I would rather he just ****** off before next season.

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We can afford to give him the Franchise Tag for the next season.

If he puts up good numbers AND we are successful we pay him the big money ….however....

If he puts up good figures (which implies the Offence plays well) and we still fail, it indicates the money is better spent in other areas.

There's no reason for failure now: Garrett's gone, exciting Offence, if he's our elite QB of the future he's got the chance to prove it.

atlantacowboy said:

Dak hasn't sniffed a super bowl.

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So are you betting that he want? I’ll raise you $400 for appearance in the SB this season.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

So are you betting that he want? I’ll raise you $400 for appearance in the SB this season.

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put the bottle down before you start losing money and get in trouble with the lady.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Dak will not take a low ball offer from Jerry until Deshuan Watson gets a deal.

Dak is more accomplished in all categories for QB than entitled choking *** Watson.

Dak news floor is 40 million a year.

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Well finally at least people are not comparing Dak to Mahomes or Brady!

Hadenough said:

Well finally at least people are not comparing Dak to Mahomes or Brady!

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Yea your right Mahomes is overrated and not a worthy comparison, Brady on the other hand is a good comparison.

I’ll bet you he will win a SB this year and If it’s the Chiefs he is going to beat them by + 2 TDs minimum.


I’ll bet $400 on it, put up or shut up.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Yea your right Mahomes is overrated and not a worthy comparison, Brady on the other hand is a good comparison.

I’ll bet you he will win a SB this year and If it’s the Chiefs he is going to beat them by + 2 TDs minimum.


I’ll bet $400 on it, put up or shut up.

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Bet 1000 dak doesn't win a SB

Hadenough said:

Bet 1000 dak doesn't win a SB

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Alright bro you’re on, don’t be hiding at end of the season. @PAPPYDOG

Hadenough said:

Bet 1000 dak doesn't win a SB

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I’ll bet a 1,000 that Sunhsine is gonna turn into another Jared Geoff.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

I’ll bet a 1,000 that Sunhsine is gonna turn into another Jared Geoff.

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You do realize Goff made it to the SB.

In this thread, even though I usually make fun of those, I'm just chiming in to say, THIS IS STUPID!!!!

That is all.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Dak will not take a low ball offer from Jerry until Deshuan Watson gets a deal.

Dak is more accomplished in all categories for QB than entitled choking *** Watson.

Dak news floor is 40 million a year.

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I'm sorry you're so misinformed, but Deshaun Watson is TWICE the quarterback Dak is.
I'd take Deshaun every day over Dak.
This is where you lose credibility- when you trash a guy like Watson to justify your crush on Dak.
Let me make this clear:
I like Dak. He's a great athlete. But he's just not ready to be paid top dollar, because he doesn't yet bring top dollar talent to the Cowboys.
He should take a couple of years at $15-$20 million, accept that he's not quite there yet, and work on getting there.
But to say he's better than Watson is just a desperate statement from a groupie type fan

leeblair said:

I'm sorry you're so misinformed, but Deshaun Watson is TWICE the quarterback Dak is.
I'd take Deshaun every day over Dak.
This is where you lose credibility- when you trash a guy like Watson to justify your crush on Dak.
Let me make this clear:
I like Dak. He's a great athlete. But he's just not ready to be paid top dollar, because he doesn't yet bring top dollar talent to the Cowboys.
He should take a couple of years at $15-$20 million, accept that he's not quite there yet, and work on getting there.
But to say he's better than Watson is just a desperate statement from a groupie type fan

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Of course a L like you would take him, dude blew 21 pt lead and could not score for two qtrs. What a choke artist.