Jarwin should be a big upgrade over 2019 Witten

ABQCOWBOY · May 17, 2020

We'll see. I seriously doubt that any TE puts up similar numbers to Witten this coming season. I just don't see it.

blueblood70 · May 17, 2020

should ??? LOL

he was with Witten year one, nothing

Year two without. nothing

year 3 with . nothing..

dude gets a ton of hype for doing ABSOLUTLY NOTHIGN IN SPOT DUTY.

stop blaming Witten for Jarwin being a JAG his first 3 seasons..maybe he finally breaks out but he will have t prove that..

gimmesix · May 17, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Well, if we go with a FB, do you see a TE even being on the field? Do you see a role for the TE with the WRs we have one? Honestly, the minute CDL was taken, I saw not big production out of the TE spot, to be honest. Heck, Jarwin might not even be the starter at TE if you really think about it. I could see the team going with a better inline blocker if we go with a 3 WR set or a FB. I can honestly see that happening.

I thought about that as well. Would McCarthy rather have three receivers and a receiving tight end out there in his West Coast offense or three and more of a blocker for the run game with some receiving abilities. The deal we gave Jarwin tells me that he's included in the plans, but that came before Lamb fell into our laps, so plans might change some.

BigD_95 · May 17, 2020

speedkilz88 said:
I was shocked that the raiders signed Witten. He done.

I think Raiders wanted him as a locker-room leader. They need him

ABQCOWBOY · May 17, 2020

gimmesix said:
I thought about that as well. Would McCarthy rather have three receivers and a receiving tight end out there in his West Coast offense or three and more of a blocker for the run game with some receiving abilities. The deal we gave Jarwin tells me that he's included in the plans, but that came before Lamb fell into our laps, so plans might change some.

To me, it's easy. All three of those WRs are better receiving threats then any TE we have. So unless Jarwin improves dramatically as a blocking TE, it makes more sense to go with the WRs as your primary receiving threats, maybe a guy like Bell at TE who is a much better blocker or maybe Pollard or a FB. Is Jarwin a bigger receiving threat then is Pollard even? I don't know that he is.

It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds for sure.

PJTHEDOORS · May 17, 2020

blueblood70 said:
should ??? LOL

he was with Witten year one, nothing

Year two without. nothing

year 3 with . nothing..

dude gets a ton of hype for doing ABSOLUTLY NOTHIGN IN SPOT DUTY.

stop blaming Witten for Jarwin being a JAG his first 3 seasons..maybe he finally breaks out but he will have t prove that..

So Jarwin did absolutely nothing. Break on thru Jarwin. lol.

Lutonio · May 17, 2020

He was already an upgrade when he took the field over Witten. I’m not saying he’s some secret weapon, but he and Dak showed some good chemistry at moments. I would be more interested in seeing more of that than a Witten who runs like his feet hurt.

It hurts my soul to see my boy that way.

gimmesix · May 17, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
To me, it's easy. All three of those WRs are better receiving threats then any TE we have. So unless Jarwin improves dramatically as a blocking TE, it makes more sense to go with the WRs as your primary receiving threats, maybe a guy like Bell at TE who is a much better blocker or maybe Pollard or a FB. Is Jarwin a bigger receiving threat then is Pollard even? I don't know that he is.

It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds for sure.

I just don't know how much McCarthy relies on a lead blocker. He may prefer to spread the defense out to create holes. If that's the case, it may end up making more sense to use Jarwin than Bell or Olawale (or whoever ends up as the fullback). Of course, using Pollard may make just as much sense because of his versatility. I think, though, if he's going to use Jarwin more in a Noah Brown-type role as a big receiver who blocks downfield on running plays, then Jarwin might be the best fit for that. If he wants that fourth "receiver" to be more of an in-line or fullback type that gets pitted as a blocker against DEs and LBs, then Jarwin is not the best fit.

CalPolyTechnique · May 17, 2020

blueblood70 said:
should ??? LOL

he was with Witten year one, nothing

Year two without. nothing

year 3 with . nothing..

dude gets a ton of hype for doing ABSOLUTLY NOTHIGN IN SPOT DUTY.

stop blaming Witten for Jarwin being a JAG his first 3 seasons..maybe he finally breaks out but he will have t prove that..

He did nothing in spot duty, lol?

He had 69% of Witten’s production (yardage) on apx. just half of the snaps comparably (845 snaps vs. 434).

Not to mention averaged 11.8 YPC to Witten’s 8.4 YPC.

Dumbest fanbase in sports, smh.

ConstantReboot · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Quite honestly it was hard to watch Jason Witten last season. He didn't belong on the field in any aspect. The offense should dramatically improve with him now in Las Vegas:

-Opposing teams didn't fear Witten what so ever. They knew he could no longer beat teams up the seam, getting any kind of yards after the catch and more of a liability as an inline blocker.

-Jarwin maybe never become an asset as an inline blocker at the position, but has legitimate receiving skills that opposing defenses must account for. He is going to see the most favorable match-ups within the entire offense and should finally breakout this season with more opportunities. We saw a glimpse of what he can do in a larger role during the season finale two years ago against the Giants.

I don't buy into the bull that Jarwin can't block. It's just one of those reasons that Garrett tends to make up for making sure we stick with the status quo.

Jarwin can become an effective blocker once he is properly trained to. Kittle in SF wasn't known for his prolific block when he started in the league. Now I think he's one of the best block TEs in the game. All because of coaching.

Garrett was either not a good as a coach or was too lazy to train anyone how to block. I think it was both. Thus we are feeling the after shock of Garrett's incompetence.

Cmac · May 17, 2020

BigD_95 said:
I think Raiders wanted him as a locker-room leader. They need him

I'm curious how his leadership is going to translate to the Raiders.....new teammate and play has been in decline the last few years. Not sure how he or the Raiders are going to sell his leadership, when the film comes on. Isn't leadership earned vs being given? Just curious how that is going to work, that's all.

ABQCOWBOY · May 17, 2020

gimmesix said:
I just don't know how much McCarthy relies on a lead blocker. He may prefer to spread the defense out to create holes. If that's the case, it may end up making more sense to use Jarwin than Bell or Olawale (or whoever ends up as the fullback). Of course, using Pollard may make just as much sense because of his versatility. I think, though, if he's going to use Jarwin more in a Noah Brown-type role as a big receiver who blocks downfield on running plays, then Jarwin might be the best fit for that. If he wants that fourth "receiver" to be more of an in-line or fullback type that gets pitted as a blocker against DEs and LBs, then Jarwin is not the best fit.

He has actually used a FB a lot in his coaching career. Everybody has this idea that he runs a lot of 2TE or uses a lot of TE in his offense but he really doesn't. We'll see what the Offense looks like this year.

speedkilz88 · May 17, 2020

I would think defenses will be in a lot of nickel/dime packages facing our 3 WR sets with Jarwin. That should match him up with a DB, so that would be a good blocking matchup for him.

CowboyRoy · May 17, 2020

Verdict said:
MM didn’t bring Witten back because he sucked.

That too

Captain-Crash · May 17, 2020

Witten wasn't some kind of superman blocking. most of the plays he did just enough to get into someone's way. in his later years, he was guaranteed to jump offside once or twice a game.

JoeKing · May 17, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
Folks need to stop hero worshipping and realize we aren’t losing Witten circa 2009-10.

Witten put up 63 rec., 529 yards, 8.4 YPC last year.

He’s numbers have consistently been trending downward the past 3-4 seasons and his supposed superior blocking is one of the biggest myths in Cowboy fandom.

I’d wager good money Schultz could have put up those same paltry numbers if given the same snaps.

How do you plan on winning that wager, I think I want a piece of that action. Schultz sucks. Or are you just talking crap again?

JoeKing · May 17, 2020

Captain-Crash said:
Witten wasn't some kind of superman blocking. most of the plays he did just enough to get into someone's way. in his later years, he was guaranteed to jump offside once or twice a game.

Between 2017 - 2019 he had exactly 5 penalties called on him. Try again.

As for his blocking, all you need is to do, "just enough to get into someone's way". That's pretty much the definition. So.. strike two. :muttley:

CalPolyTechnique · May 17, 2020

JoeKing said:
How do you plan on winning that wager, I think I want a piece of that action. Schultz sucks. Or are you just talking crap again?

Put on your #82 nightgown Joe and call it a night.

Witten sucked the past 3-4 seasons.

8.4 YPC, looooool.

JoeKing · May 17, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
Put on your #82 nightgown Joe and call it a night.

Witten sucked the past 3-4 seasons.

8.4 YPC, looooool.

No doubt Witten slipped a step the past few seasons but you want to claim Schultz could put up similar numbers? LOL Don't back off that wager. I want your money, put it where your mouth is.

buybuydandavis · May 17, 2020

Verdict said:
Witten was an albatross the last several years he played for the Cowboys. A lot like Dez.

Garrett has a lot of flaws but maybe his biggest was his refusal to move on from BAD players.

First half of the season his numbers were very good. Tanked in the second half. Go look by game number. 1-8 great efficiency, tanked 9-16.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WittJa00/splits/2019/

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