News: PFT: The Dak Prescott negotiations, in a nutshell

kskboys · May 22, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Lol.

Melvin Gordon comparisons. Gordon had a single year rushing for more than 1000 yards and a single year with YPC over 3.something

If you make comparisons, it often helps to know something about the comparison you are making. Dude had already been splitting snaps in 2018 as it had become clear that he couldn't be productive as a bell cow.

Yeah, those 2 aren't even in the same ballpark.

Denim Chicken · May 22, 2020

Verdict said:
Tank makes way more than Zeke, and quite honestly he hasn’t really indicated that he is worth anything near what he is being paid.

Yes he has.

and

DE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RB

Creeper · May 22, 2020

So Dak stands to earn $69 million in salary in 2020 and 2021 if he does not sign a contract. Looking at the contracts Goff and Wentz signed, they got $25 million and $16+ million respectively in signing bonuses and relatively small salaries up front. In other words, a typical NFL contract would pay Dak a lot less over the next two year than 2 franchise tags. And in 3 years Dak gets to negotiate the contract he wants with every team in the NFL, hopeful that one dumb NFL owner will grossly overpay him. If money is the main thing for Dak, or for any QB then why would they ever sign a deal that pays them less overall than they can make by taking the franchise tag?

There is the risk of injury of course, but Dak seems to be pretty durable. He can take that risk. Perhaps Wentz would think otherwise because he has had some injuries and looks like an injury about to happen every time he has the football.

I wonder, is Dak's position on this contract going to be the norm going forward, especially for guys drafted later to exceed expectations?

Stash · May 22, 2020

Verdict said:
It wouldn’t surprise me if that was what they offered Dak. At that time there were reasonable thoughts that Dak might be a bit of a counterfeit. Some of that view has evaporated. On the other hand, with Dak disappearing in some games last year, some people will reasonably take that view.

The Cowboys can be “losers” in this deal no matter how these negotiations turn out. There is a LOT of risk involved in contracts like these. If you swing and miss, it’s sets you back several years.

A few years, two to three for sure.

Verdict · May 22, 2020

Denim Chicken said:
Yes he has.

and

DE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RB

See that’s where you guys are getting lost out in the weeds. A DE that isn’t getting sacks or performing does not warrant “Superman” pay.

Stash · May 22, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Interesting read. Just seems so low to me. That is also the first time I have read that.

I've both read it and heard the same thing talked about on podcasts. That's why I believe it.

kskboys · May 22, 2020

Verdict said:
It would be nice to have Dak signed to a team friendly contract right now. I think the Cowboys made a reasonable offer. Dak didn’t accept it. That’s business.

Dak chose to bet on himself. He has played well enough to earn a second contract with the Cowboys. Has he earned the right to be paid the most in the history of the NFL? No. And yet, by all accounts the Cowboys have offered him that much money. And so far Dad has turned it down.

I don’t blame Dak for wanting to get paid, and to his credit he is not talking about it in the media all the time like Dez or Tank did.

On the other hand Dak seems to have gone from “I’m not asking to be the highest paid player in football” to being the highest paid player in the history of the NFL is not enough.

If the Cowboys and Dak are fighting over years I would get a 4 year deal done and move on. I would also be looking for another QB to start at the end of Dak’s contract. I don’t you will be able to reasonably sign Dak at the end of this second deal.

Even on a 4 year deal, you would have his rights 2 more years than that by using the tag.

I am a Dak fan. I think he is better than most of you do. And if the Cowboys have offered to pay him the most money in the history of the NFL and he has turned it down, then we seriously need to look at moving on.

If Dak won’t sign a deal that is on the table I would make him play under the tag this year, and evaluate whether he is worth a second tag at the end of this year.

For the record, I don’t think Andy Dalton is as good of a QB as Dak is, but I do think that with the right coaching, he might win us as many games as Dak would.

This Dalton signing may turn out to be the best Cowboys signing in a long time if he can still play at a reasonably high level, because the Cowboys warm fuzzy feeling about Dak is going to evaporate on or about July 15 if things dont change.

No sacasm. How is signing the current contract not "getting paid"?

Denim Chicken · May 22, 2020

Verdict said:
See that’s where you guys are getting lost out in the weeds. A DE that isn’t getting sacks or performing does not warrant “Superman” pay.

He does perform. Look at his stats the last three years.

I posted on this before. He's on par with Mack, Miller, etc... QB hits, TFL, FF, etc...

EDIT: Found my post from during the Tank negotiations:
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Here you go (last two years):

Sacks:
DLAW: 25
Miller: 25
Mack: 23

TFL:
DLAW: 29
Miller: 31
Mack: 23

QB Hits:
DLAW: 49
Miller: 49
Mack: 40

Forced Fumbles:
DLAW: 6
Miller: 6
Mack: 7

Verdict · May 22, 2020

Dak is a little bit like Cam Newton. Can win a lot of games, but Cam wasn’t really all that and a bag of chips as QB.

I am not an Rodgers fan, but he is generally accepted as on of the top 5 QBs in the league. If Rodgers can’t carry a team eating up a high percentage of the cap, then it is arguable that Dak would have an even harder time because Dak isn’t polished to the point that Rodgers was in his prime.

At some point the asking price is just too high. You can’t let any player, including your QB hold you hostage.

Having said that, it would have been better it over pay Dak a little bit, than over pay Tank (you could have Griffin for about 2/3 of what Tank is getting and I’m not sure that Grirren wouldn’t be the better player.

Is Amari worth $20 million? The market said “yes” but it was set by the Commanders and what have they won by playing fantasy football??

All of these guys are overpaid, but if I was going to swing and miss, I would have erred toward paying the QB. Having seen that the Cowboys didn’t do that, they may not be as high on Dak as some of us here are.

Verdict · May 22, 2020

kskboys said:
No sacasm. How is signing the current contract not "getting paid"?

I agree totally. That’s what I am saying. At this point, I am really starting to sour on Dak and I think Dak is better than many here view Dak.

reddyuta · May 22, 2020

This is all on Jerry Jones,he completely dropped the ball by not signing him as early as possible,we could have had a bargain if they had made an early offer but for some reason they let it drag on and now its grwon into a out of control snow ball.

Verdict · May 22, 2020

Denim Chicken said:
He does perform. Look at his stats the last three years.

I posted on this before. He's on par with Mack, Miller, etc... QB hits, TFL, FF, etc...

EDIT: Found my post from during the Tank negotiations:
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Here you go (last two years):

Sacks:
DLAW: 25
Miller: 25
Mack: 23

TFL:
DLAW: 29
Miller: 31
Mack: 23

QB Hits:
DLAW: 49
Miller: 49
Mack: 40

Forced Fumbles:
DLAW: 6
Miller: 6
Mack: 7

I don’t care how Tank played 3 years ago. I care how he played last year.

Tank delayed his surgery as leverage. I would not have let that hold me hostage if I had been the Cowboys. I would have let that hurt his value and used it as leverage the other way. The Cowboys mishandled those negotiations horribly.

I don’t fault them as much on the Dak contract. Perception has changed over time on Dak. It can swing the other way too.

If you can’t sign him for a kings ransom, let him play out the tag and start looking for your next QB.

AbeBeta · May 22, 2020

Denim Chicken said:
OK, I'm not getting into this again, but I'm team "don't pay huge contract to RBs", so you know where my head is at.

Yes. I know bith where it is at and what it is up.

Denim Chicken · May 22, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Yes. I know bith where it is at and what it is up.

wow, harsh

Denim Chicken · May 22, 2020

Verdict said:
Tank delayed his surgery as leverage. I would not have let that hold me hostage if I had been the Cowboys

Yes Zeke held out with two years left and you're cool with that?

FYI, Tank was pretty good last year too. Sack aren't everything.

LittleBoyBlue · May 22, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:

I actually really loved the storyline in this movie. You could argue that the story was the best of the 3 movies.
Poor execution, bad actors and making Pacino look like this old, hunching , powerless looking man = fail.

I get why they went that way... but not one wanted to see that.

Montanalo · May 22, 2020

reddyuta said:
This is all on Jerry Jones,he completely dropped the ball by not signing him as early as possible,we could have had a bargain if they had made an early offer but for some reason they let it drag on and now its grwon into a out of control snow ball.

I agree, it would have been beneficial to sign Dak as early as possible.

However, I have seen nothing from Dak or his agent that remotely suggests Dak would have, indeed, signed early. I think, regardless when the contract discussions began, we would still be where we are today.

Denim Chicken · May 22, 2020

Texas_Pete · May 22, 2020

tyke1doe · May 22, 2020

Bullflop said:
I'm not nearly as worried as I often seem to be. This team and its FO has been a mystery long enough to me to quit trying to figure it out!

Just sit back and enjoy the ride like I try to do. :laugh:

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