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StarBoyz83 said:

We had an elite one in 14. Thats it

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Indeed, I agree. I loved Murray. But it was short lived. Not consistent.
And, we have a good one now so I just think some fans have short memories.

Hennessy_King said:

I been trying to tell em zeke aint elite. But they say he is to say he's carrying Dak lol

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Well see with McCarthy's coaching. Maybe this team really doesn't need a workhorse like Zeke.

Zeke has lost a lot of what is already a limited amount of practice time between his suspensions, injuries, and holdouts. He was an excellent receiver in college.

I just hope he has been taking the lockdown as an opportunity to work on his game. I'm not holding my breath.

FuzzyLumpkins said:

Zeke has lost a lot of what is already a limited amount of practice time between his suspensions, injuries, and holdouts. He was an excellent receiver in college.

I just hope he has been taking the lockdown as an opportunity to work on his game. I'm not holding my breath.

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Well, at least we know he's been Dak and Bryant practicing with Robinson.

Streetwise said:

Be thankful we have a solid RB. That wasn't always the case.

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After Hambrick, we've had plenty of good ones. Julius Jones, Marion Barber, Demarco Murray. RB isn't that important these days.

FuzzyLumpkins said:

Zeke has lost a lot of what is already a limited amount of practice time between his suspensions, injuries, and holdouts. He was an excellent receiver in college.

I just hope he has been taking the lockdown as an opportunity to work on his game. I'm not holding my breath.

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what injuries ?
he's been the epitome of iron man durability since he has been in the NFL.
Has never missed a game due to injuries.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Yep.... right here
"Yep! Rushing champ two of 4 years...ain't elite. Good call"

You always say cherry picking stats, but it's always a multitude of stats given not just one, and yet you always reply with this. Wouldn't that mean that you should stop pulling the "cherry picking stats" card and that it is actually you cherry picking one stat over and over?

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Okay buddy....sure, whatever. The hate is strong in this one!

Have your victory.

QuincyCarterEra said:

My first time encountering him his defense turned into "how could you talk bad about a player on the cowboys and call yourself a cowboys fan makes no sense yadda yadda yadda"
Then I go to another thread and he's talking negatively about Dak lmao. It was so odd.

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What did I say...exactly..in this reply?

And don;t quote me falsely. I never said "you can;t talk about bad A Cowboys player". I've spoken on numerous occasions about Murray's fumble. It was a terrible play and I will never forgive him for it. But I don;t hate him or his service to the cowboys. I have also been critical of...MY BOY...zeke. I wouldn't have paid him last year...AND I believe he came back out of shape and not ready. But I don;t hate him for it.

So cut the crap.

So...what "steve"....are you talking about then"? I am talking about the pure and illogical total hatred people have for our players. Dman good ones too. They literally wish them harm. Or how about this..."zeke benefits by a good o-line...but Dak doesn't". It's ludicrous.

AT the end of the day....do what ya want. Just an opinion.

aria said:

Since you, and others, seem to put the most emphasis on total yards when determining how “elite” a RB is, than would he stop being elite if he didn’t get as many carries because we passed the ball more and therefore he didn’t get as many carries and yards?

Would he still be elite if we had a bottom 10, or even bottom 20, run blocking line and he didn’t get near the same yards he’s used to because he was constantly getting hit in the backfield or didn’t have the room to run that he does now?

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Did you say the same thing about Emmitt?

Cowboy Lover said:

Did you say the same thing about Emmitt?

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What is it with you and staying on topic? This thread is about the Ewok and his current “rivals”, not a RB from the 90’s.

If it was anyone but you I would be tempted to answer but because it is you, and you’re constantly trying to bait me into an argument that has nothing to do with the thread, I’m not answering. I’m actually surprised you didn’t try to crowbar your boy Dak into this thread.

QuincyCarterEra said:

He's had those targets because he's been on the field. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you think Zeke only had 4 drops, then that's on you.


No it's not like that comparison at all, it's comparing him to AVERAGE RBs. Not the elite of the elite. He was bottom 25% of ALL RBs.

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Some terrible throws. . . Or can't you see that. And please factor in the fact that Dak's terrible throws open them up to shots to the ribs. . .these receivers are making business decisions.

Almost every late pass that is high and behind causes the receiver to not go all out in fear of exposing themselves. Almost every Cowboy Receiver drop is the result of the WR having aligator arms

chagus said:

Im curious about the "reasons", as in his playing weight. Perhaps he's played heavier than his rookie year? Couldn't find the stats.

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I have no idea what the reasons are. We don't know enough about his workout habits, his weight (real), and other things in his life. He looks slower to me. He is not ripping off the long plays and he struggles to get to the edge before the defenders can slow him down or stop him. Again, it could be other factors, like bad blocking. Zeke has shown moments of immaturity. Does this effect his preparation?

He is still one of the best 3rd down blocking running backs I have seen. He could improve his receiving skills a bit.

My fear is Zeke does not have the lateral quickness of an Emmitt or Tony Dorsett. That means he will take more hits and that will shorten his career.

NotForLong said:

Some terrible throws. . . Or can't you see that. And please factor in the fact that Dak's terrible throws open them up to shots to the ribs. . .these receivers are making business decisions.

Almost every late pass that is high and behind causes the receiver to not go all out in fear of exposing themselves. Almost every Cowboy Receiver drop is the result of the WR having aligator arms

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If all you saw were terrible throws that says a lot about you.

The first pass was neither late, high, or behind. The very first one. You obviously see what you want to see even though it doesn't resemble reality at all.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding...

aria said:

What is it with people constantly bringing up Dak in Zeke threads? This isn’t a Dak thread but since you mentioned it I’ll give you a quick lesson on the O line.

Run blocking and pass blocking are two different things, some players excel at one more than the other, therefore a team as a whole can be better at pass blocking than run blocking or vice versa. Therefore saying Dak benefits as much from the O line as Zeke isn’t necessarily true or may not even be close to true . Got it?

I’ll leave you with this...you brought up 2018 as an example of how Dak should benefit from the O line as much as Zeke.

2018 run blocking rank- 8th
2018 pass blocking rank- 28th

See the difference there?

What else do I want? I’ve stated that several times, including in this thread. How about fumbles? Yards per carry? O LINES!? Yards after catch? Yards after contact? Forced misses? Yards from scrimmage? 20+ yard runs?

I could go on...to me, those are statistics and things to take into consideration when evaluating how good a RB is, not just total yards which is very misleading. Not taking into account O lines is one of the biggest reasons that stat is misleading.

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Isnt that the year Dak took 7 seconds to throw the Ball but the O-Lone could obly manage to give him the league leading 6.5 seconds in the pocket.

And through Dak's inability to go through the progressions he would scramble backwards and take the sack. . . Did that factor in to the the 28th ranked 2018 pass blocking?

QuincyCarterEra said:

If only volume made you elite, but it doesn't.

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Actually if you look at the running backs in the hall of fame it does...

Of the top 20 in career carries 15 are in the hall, 2 will be when they retire, and only 3 (at the bottom of the 20) aren't.

So of 32 running backs in the hall of fame, 15 of them are in the top 17 in volume (10 are from the 40s-50s). Who would have thought that?

That is unless you think the likes of Emmitt Smith, Barrry Sanders, Walter Payton, etc. aren't/weren't elite. By the way they are 3 of the top 4 in rushing yards and, wouldn't you know it, rushing attempts. Funny how that works.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_att_career.htm

NotForLong said:

Isnt that the year Dak took 7 seconds to throw the Ball but the O-Lone could obly manage to give him the league leading 6.5 seconds in the pocket.

And through Dak's inability to go through the progressions he would scramble backwards and take the sack. . . Did that factor in to the the 28th ranked 2018 pass blocking?

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As with any stat (ie Zeke’s total yards) I’m sure there are other factors involved, so yes, I would imagine that had something to do with it. Odd though that in ‘16 and ‘17 they were ranked ~15th and last year they were 4th in pass protection.

aria said:

What is it with you and staying on topic? This thread is about the Ewok and his current “rivals”, not a RB from the 90’s.

If it was anyone but you I would be tempted to answer but because it is you, and you’re constantly trying to bait me into an argument that has nothing to do with the thread, I’m not answering. I’m actually surprised you didn’t try to crowbar your boy Dak into this thread.

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See...there you go again...and you call me flipped out. I responded to a comment you made with civility and you just have to keep up your game.

You keep harping on the "number of carries"...that was what I DIRECTLY replied to. But you don't like your logic challenged...I see.

Fact is Emmitt had a LOT more carries during several years of his.....but we all called him "durable"...heart of a warrior. Carry the team on his back.

Now you are using the very same thing with contempt and excuses.

You are right...this isn't totally about zeke or even Emmitt. It's about your hypocrisy. Now...if you would have just answered the question in civil calm manner...we wouldn't be having THIS crap...again.

irishline said:

Actually if you look at the running backs in the hall of fame it does...

Of the top 20 in career carries 15 are in the hall, 2 will be when they retire, and only 3 (at the bottom of the 20) aren't.

So of 32 running backs in the hall of fame, 15 of them are in the top 17 in volume (10 are from the 40s-50s). Who would have thought that?

That is unless you think the likes of Emmitt Smith, Barrry Sanders, Walter Payton, etc. aren't/weren't elite. By the way they are 3 of the top 4 in rushing yards and, wouldn't you know it, rushing attempts. Funny how that works.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_att_career.htm

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Precisely. This is what I was trying to tell aria...but he evaded and misdirected like a good "victim".

Cowboy Lover said:

See...there you go again...and you call me flipped out. I responded to a comment you made with civility and you just have to keep up your game.

You keep harping on the "number of carries"...that was what I DIRECTLY replied to. But you don't like your logic challenged...I see.

Fact is Emmitt had a LOT more carries during several years of his.....but we all called him "durable"...heart of a warrior. Carry the team on his back.

Now you are using the very same thing with contempt and excuses.

You are right...this isn't totally about zeke or even Emmitt. It's about your hypocrisy. Now...if you would have just answered the question in civil calm manner...we wouldn't be having THIS crap...again.

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Flipping out? Lol, hardly.

“DIRECTLY” replying to “number of carries” by asking me my opinion of Emmitt Smith? Hahahaha...that’s a new one but coming from you it’s not surprising. You try to start controversy by constantly bringing up other Cowboys that aren’t directly relevant. Instead of trying to bait me, a more appropriate “DIRECT” response would be to tell me how there isn’t a correlation between number of carries and the league leading rushers by year. Why don’t you look at the past 10 years and tell me how many RB’s who won the rushing title also led the league in most carries? I already know the answer but maybe it will keep you busy for awhile.

It would only be hypocritical if you knew what I thought of Emmitt in comparison to Zeke, wouldn’t it? But you don’t because I’m not falling for your crap, just like you tried with Dak. You said “we”, not “you” because I never said that. Do you always tell other people what they think? I’m surprised you even asked the question since you already allegedly know my answer.

Is zeke durable? Sure. He also doesn’t get hit as much as other RB’s because he has a lot more room to run. There’s also much less chance of an injury when you’re running into one or two defenders compared to being dog piled by half the other team on a regular basis while still trying to gain yards. If you want to make the argument that he may be the most durable RB in the league, few would argue, although personally I think a lot of that has to do with luck and the O line. As far as being one of the best RB’s purely because he coincidentally had the most carries, and therefore had the most yards (rushing title) behind one of the best run blocking lines in the league then I’ll challenge that all day long. He falls short in several other more significant categories but I will give him durable (reluctantly) and he his a very good blocker but that hardly outweighs his deficiencies.

I really may have to block you today, you’re like a little annoying gnat that leaves, comes back, leaves again, comes back and serves no purpose other than to annoy people. I hope your reply is as bad as the last one so I can block you once and for all with zero doubts that I may miss something worthwhile you may contribute someday.