Ezekiel Elliott contract isn't bad at all

LatinMind said:

not even a little. What made the deal smart is a good portion of his guaranteed money was going to be paid in yrs of his rookie deal. making no year when the new money came into play they could get out of the contract if the production didnt match the play. As they can get out of his deal after next yr as a june 1 cut and only count 5.4mil in 2022 and 2023 saving 11.1mil in 2022 and 9.6mil in 2023. Or just cut him outright in 2023 and only owe him 6.7mil and save 8.3 on the cap.

I dont think most people realize how good of a deal this was for Dallas. People were saying Elliot had a down yr in 2019 and he had 1300 yrds and 12 tds and 1700+ total yrds and 14 total tds. All this while being underused by his coaches. If thats reguarded as a down yr for elliot then id say he's a pretty damn good RB.

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Underused?! You got a supporter of his 3 posts above complaining of the coaches wearing him out. He couldn’t even handle the workload he was given. He carried the ball 3 less times than the RB with the most carries. He would never have won the rushing titles if he wasn’t over used and then people would complain he’s still the best but wasn’t used enough.

The excuses for this guy are endless.

Corso said:

Your loathing is insatiable.

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Mmmmmm...baby!

cern said:

They eventually lose velocity and fall back to earth. Most burn up in the atmosphere.

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Probes go deep into space. Satellites circle the earth.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

Not true. NASA probes go up and they don't come down.

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QuincyCarterEra said:

Zeke details:


But you mentioned his max CAP being $11M through his age 28 season, which isn't true at all.

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ROFL you know literally nothing about contracts.
This is painful...

Highest AAV at time -- no one cares because he won't see the final 2 years at 16 avg each is near zero.
Highest guarantees at the time -- 16M of that guarantee was already earned. They only gave him 20M in SB. 6.xM was his contract base
and 10M was his option year.
Most years to get out of the contract. Longer than McCaff even -- This is not factual. They have a yearly out if they choose to buy it by paying his base the following season. Same as CMC.
Most cash in first three years of all still -- No. McCaffrey got 21M SB plus 17M in bases. That's 38M over 3 years. Zeke got 37M. CMC came in just over ZEKE.
Also you might not be aware but CMC has the same 5th day options built in.... they just top out at 8M per year.

Christian McCaffrey signed a 4 year, $64 million contract extension with the Panthers on April 16, 2020. Contract details come from a report via Mike Florio of PFT. Per Florio, $30.0625 million of the contract is fully guaranteed at signing including a $21.5 million signing bonus. If McCaffrey is on the roster on the fifth day of the 2021 league year he will earn a guarantee of $8.1 million on his 2022 base salary. There is also a $1 million guarantee for injury in 2023.


Reading is fundamental.
In my plan they pay him:
2019 6.x done
2020 10.9M --same as 5th year option essentially.
2021 6.xM after restruture
2022 8.xm after restructure.
2023 he is released and they split his cap hit post June 1st never paying more than 10M on a cap year minus 2020.

As to realities his 3 year deal is simply nonsense. He already earned 16.XM of that by simply being drafted top 5.
They advanced him 4M plus gave him a 12.4M base in year 3.
So he made 16M in new money over 3 years.
He cost more than prior guys because the 5th year bonus is higher than it ever was before.
Every high R1 guy will top him in money over the first 3 years of their new deals.

AAV is nonsense because most guys never see the large numbers at the end of deals which boost the AAV.

Zeke will be lucky to see 50M of this supposed 90-M deal. Of that 90M he had already earned 16M.
So in reality he has about 35M in reliable new money. Not so much....
Dak will make that this year alone.


Zeke has only collected 28.8M from Dallas thus far.
Gurley who has been cut once and is one year senior in the NFL has now made 38.8M in his career.

waldoputty said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/ezekiel-elliott-18952/

• 2021 salary fully guarantees on 3/22/2020 (injury guaranteed now)
• 2022 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2021 (injury guaranteed now)

the structure sucks
these means that they need to lose 1 year of guaranteed salary to cut him the year after.
in this case, we are already stuck in 2021 season with medicore rb at top 3 rb pay if his play regresses.
and what smart team pays for past performance?
would the patriots?

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The Patriots pay RB the most of anyone in football.
They spent more LAST year at RB than Zeke costs NEXT year 12.3M versus 10.9M.
Good effort, good game.

Calling Zeke mediocre just means you are dumb and not worth debating.
Being bad at math is understandable given that contracts lie but saying inane nonsense is beyond dealing with.

jterrell said:

ROFL you know literally nothing about contracts.
This is painful...

Highest AAV at time -- no one cares because he won't see the final 2 years at 16 avg each is near zero.
Highest guarantees at the time -- 16M of that guarantee was already earned. They only gave him 20M in SB. 6.xM was his contract base
and 10M was his option year.
Most years to get out of the contract. Longer than McCaff even -- This is not factual. They have a yearly out if they choose to buy it by paying his base the following season. Same as CMC.
Most cash in first three years of all still -- No. McCaffrey got 21M SB plus 17M in bases. That's 38M over 3 years. Zeke got 37M. CMC came in just over ZEKE.
Also you might not be aware but CMC has the same 5th day options built in.... they just top out at 8M per year.

Christian McCaffrey signed a 4 year, $64 million contract extension with the Panthers on April 16, 2020. Contract details come from a report via Mike Florio of PFT. Per Florio, $30.0625 million of the contract is fully guaranteed at signing including a $21.5 million signing bonus. If McCaffrey is on the roster on the fifth day of the 2021 league year he will earn a guarantee of $8.1 million on his 2022 base salary. There is also a $1 million guarantee for injury in 2023.


Reading is fundamental.
In my plan they pay him:
2019 6.x done
2020 10.9M --same as 5th year option essentially.
2021 6.xM after restruture
2022 8.xm after restructure.
2023 he is released and they split his cap hit post June 1st never paying more than 10M on a cap year minus 2020.

As to realities his 3 year deal is simply nonsense. He already earned 16.XM of that by simply being drafted top 5.
They advanced him 4M plus gave him a 12.4M base in year 3.
So he made 16M in new money over 3 years.
He cost more than prior guys because the 5th year bonus is higher than it ever was before.
Every high R1 guy will top him in money over the first 3 years of their new deals.

AAV is nonsense because most guys never see the large numbers at the end of deals which boost the AAV.

Zeke will be lucky to see 50M of this supposed 90-M deal. Of that 90M he had already earned 16M.
So in reality he has about 35M in reliable new money. Not so much....
Dak will make that this year alone.


Zeke has only collected 28.8M from Dallas thus far.
Gurley who has been cut once and is one year senior in the NFL has now made 38.8M in his career.

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I didn't expect to be witness to a public execution, but... Cool!
I hoped he deserved it.

jterrell said:

The Patriots pay RB the most of anyone in football.
They spent more LAST year at RB than Zeke costs NEXT year 12.3M versus 10.9M.
Good effort, good game.

Calling Zeke mediocre just means you are dumb and not worth debating.
Being bad at math is understandable given that contracts lie but saying inane nonsense is beyond dealing with.

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nice way to twist the facts.
patriots do not have a single highly paid rb.
and ask yourself if the patriots will pay for past performance.

and i did not call zeke mediocre.
the mediocre description is based on a condition that IF HIS PLAY REGRESSES
my comment was "in this case, we are already stuck in 2021 season with medicore rb at top 3 rb pay if his play regresses."

fivetwos said:

Elliott's best days are unfortunately behind him.

He will be adequate for the next two seasons.

Then he is gone. It's nothing personal (although I cant stand him), but a RB just isnt effective after not too long. Going to Cabo and getting fat doesnt help.

But he got his money. If he does the right thing, he is set for life, plus those last 2-3 seasons with the Bengals or Browns should be enough to party with for a little while

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Adequate meaning.......................4.5 ypc lead league in rushing adequate?

QuincyCarterEra said:

Zeke details:
Highest AAV at time
Highest guarantees at the time
Most years to get out of the contract. Longer than McCaff even
Most cash in first three years of all still


But you mentioned his max CAP being $11M through his age 28 season, which isn't true at all.

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@jterrell literally took you to school.

Give it a rest.

stilltheguru said:

Adequate meaning.......................4.5 ypc lead league in rushing adequate?

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I was being nice.

He will be decent, yet definitely under perform the contract.

There wont be anyone that wants to retain him for 2022 w no major restructure.

Cowboy Lover said:

Chubb will continue to do well for another year or two.....then get overpaid.

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Probably. And if Cleveland is smart, they will let him walk. Draft another RB in about a year to take over in the 3rd round.

J12B said:

In my view, Zeke's contract is actually pretty good for the team.

Elliot has a 10.9 million cap hit this year, which he is obviously worth. I think that cap hit is about the same as his 5th year option would have been..

In 2021, #21 has a cap hit of 13.7 million. Granted that is high, but if his play only slightly declines, Zeke will still be worth it.

In 2022, if Zeke's becomes innefective or isn't a RB opposing defenses fear anymore, (or if Pollard becomes the RB1 or we find a diamond in the rough in the 2021 draft) he can be designated as a post-June 1st cut. Doing so, would result in a 4.1 million dead money hit but create 12.4 million in cap savings.

So basically, we have Zeke on the team this year and in 2021. I hope he can reverse the trend of RBs having a short shelf life in recent years, but it is good to know that the front office can release him after the 2021 season he can be released if needed.

(Sorry if this topic seems distasteful given the recent news on Zeke, but just wanted to look at his contract again since it's been almost a year since his deal was done.)

#21

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For practical purposes, Zeke is fully guaranteed through 2022, for a total of 50.1mil over 4 years. The first year of that we owned his rights already, and he was maybe scheduled to make 5mil?

3 year extension for 45mil. And he's been on a slow but consistent slide since his spectacular rookie season. Just an overpriced signing.

Though DLaw is looking even worse. He dropped off a cliff the last half season, with only 0.5 sacks.

The worst one may be Jaylon. The leg got worse all through the year. He looked crippled at the Pro Bowl Challenge when he was stoned by the 1st of 3 *cumulative* heavy bags.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/ezekiel-elliott-18952/

Eanwen said:

So this is interesting, because IIRC Gallup becomes a free agent and none of Cooper's remaining contract money is guaranteed in 2022.

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We'll have the option to keep either. Most likely we let Gallup go and take the comp pick, instead of cutting Cooper and getting nothing for it. If we're thinking of keeping Gallup, we'll work the deal *before* his final year.

J12B said:

According to OTC, Zeke had a contract value of 12.5 million last season. His cap hit was 6.3 million.

https://overthecap.com/player/ezekiel-elliott/4717/

His production justified his contract extension.

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Cap hit was backloaded. It will end up being about 45mil to *extend* him 3 years. Bad contract.

And Zeke has been on a slow but steady slide since his rookie year. Every year his performance will fall further and further behind his cost, and Pollard will look better and better in relief.

jterrell said:

The Cowboys last playoff game was lost because RBs mashed us to death.
Dak actually passed better than Goff but we lost by quite a lot.

I have been a passing is king guy long before nerd twitter got ahold of made up stats proving just that (which they sat out to prove by creating said stats).
All that said running the ball IS important.
Having an RB who blocks well and can also run the ball very well is very important.
And we know having a RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield is important.

On the first 2 areas Zeke is elite. Easily top 5 in each and overall. In the third he can use some focus and work on hands and route running; simply being a more natural receiver.

RB is tough in general and I was AGAINST drafting Zeke at 4. I mean seriously in disbelief against it.
Dallas had made insane production per pick with Murray and others.

BUT, what Zeke did here was immediate and special. He has not been a choir boy off the field but he is certainly not dramatic like Ramsey.
And those were easily the top 5 guys so options were pretty much down to those 2.


Ultimately, Dallas did draft him and I moved passed my beliefs to judge him on performance and he has been elite.

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The TB from the Rams who mostly mashed us was a guy they plucked off the street. Their highly paid TB spent half the game on the bench.

The point you are making kind of shows how you don’t need an elite TB to run the ball well.

aria said:

Then he wouldn’t get the rushing title so what would his supporters use to defend then? He doesn’t even take top 10 in several other categories, that’s pretty much all they can use to support him and it’s strictly based on his number of carries.

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But he would have fresh legs to help Dak inside the redzone.

Hadenough said:

But he would have fresh legs to help Dak inside the redzone.

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But I thought he’s the best and supposed to be a work horse? He demanded to be paid as the best but he can’t deliver in the red zone? There are other big name RB’s that get the ball a relatively comparable amount of times as Zeke and they have better red zone efficiency numbers than he does and with much worse O lines. That doesn’t look like the best to me, not even top 5, or top 10 or top 15.

jterrell said:

You can see it all around the league and to a point it is common sense.
Derrick Henry made Ryan Tannehill a rich man. --this one is delicious because both sides of the debate point to the past. RT couldn't win in Miami and DH didn't win with MM at QB. Delicious I say.
BAL and SF ALSO made rush plus TE play work to blow away expectations last year.

Really the only team that didn't care was KC. Andy Reid has never cared, lol. You are up 30 and they have you right where they want you. Pat spent his entire college career needing to score 50 a game. He loves it there down 30.
Mahomes is just different.

But unless you have the extreme outlier at QB it sure looks like you should get efficient offense with a strong rush game and reliable passing attack.


Last year versus Philly with Dak hurting it would have been nice to be able to run on Philly or use short passing game well.
Instead 7 targets to Zeke went for 7 catches but only 1 first down.
5 targets for all 3 TE went for 3 catches and only 1 First down./.. oooofffff.

If I am Dallas in the off-season I am improving my passing output to TE/RB.
Gallup/Coop and Lamb will undoubtedly go off at times but when I need a first down I want to have TE and RB that can get them.

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I blame JG for the egirls game. When watching the game I noticed that the egirls sold out to stop our run. They knew Dak was hurt so stop our run and make Dak win with his arm. Usually it’s fine.

So we got no where running the ball in the first half of the game but in the second half I noticed that the egirls defense looked tired. They wore themselves out in the first half and in the second half Elliot started picking up chunks. Elliot got a ding and pulled himself and Pollard fumbled. After that JG never went back to the run. Of course Dak deserves his blame but JG should have went right back to Elliot and grinds it out.

I hope MM don’t abandon the run game. He is a passing HC so we will see. I love using the TE so am excited to see what Jarwin can do.

J12B said:

In my view, Zeke's contract is actually pretty good for the team.

Elliot has a 10.9 million cap hit this year, which he is obviously worth. I think that cap hit is about the same as his 5th year option would have been..

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His cap hit is the same as his 5th year option because it is his 5th year option. His actual 6 year extension doesn't start until 2021. Remember, his rookie contract does not get replaced by a new contract. But I've been trying to point out that Zeke's contract is not that bad. It's as team friendly as we're going to get for the amount of money paid.

aria said:

But I thought he’s the best and supposed to be a work horse? He demanded to be paid as the best but he can’t deliver in the red zone? There are other big name RB’s that get the ball a relatively comparable amount of times as Zeke and they have better red zone efficiency numbers than he does and with much worse O lines. That doesn’t look like the best to me, not even top 5, or top 10 or top 15.

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What is this stat. Points inside the red zone.