What godfather offer can pry Adams away from NY?

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-This original post was written to show how unlikely this was going to happen, more fantasy then anything else. They had no intention in trading him last season which is why they asked for a god father type of offer. As I stated in one of my responses, my highest offer would be a #1 and a day 3 pick. When we heard the rumor for Collins/Adams straight up I tried to look at it objectively and to me it made some sense.

-You are right about Adams not playing to his strengths in our new scheme, where we are going to employ two so called FS's to cover their half of the field. Coverage is paramount rather then be a force against the run. This isn't Adams game, as he is more like a linebacker. Jets fans compare him to the former Steeler safety Troy Polamanu, which is a good comparison, both were terrific inside the box.

-Take away the scheme, how much better would Adams make this defense? I don't think their just one player away. Positional value for the Strong Safety position is extremely low, especially when this team is paying top dollar to another low position at RB.

-Front Office has treated the safety position like the 1 Tech DT for many years. I believe outside of Roy Williams years ago, they haven't used a premium pick at the position. Wilcox was probably the highest in rd 3. Not saying they should invest in a SS in rd 1, but if a good FS comes available, they need to hand in the card within the first two days of the draft. We have seen the top safeties come off the board within the top 50.
A 1st, 3rd and huge contract is a hugh amount of resources for an SS in any scheme for the modern NFL.

They could get a good Safety next off-season by signing one to a big contract without giving up picks.
 

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Although I do believe there is less of a need using two-deep, Adams is a special player, so if we can get him for the right price, I'm all for it. This is a young All-Pro who can play the two-deep but absolutely destroy plays when he comes out of that and moves near the line of scrimmage. Right now, we've got safeties who can play the two-deep but are very questionable when they come up to play the run. It would be nice to be able to move into Cover-1 or Cover-3 and not have the safety who moves up be a liability.

Why not trade for Aaron Donald? He is better than the Cowboys DTs.

Why not Stephon Gilmore...

They can't for every player that is better than the players already on the roster.

If the Cowboys are going to trade a 1st and 3rd then give that player a mega contract, then there are likely a lot of players near the end of their rookie contract available for trade.
 

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All the rumblings out there is the Jets want to keep Jamal Adams, but will listen to offers. The Cowboys reportedly called them last year and offered a 1st rd pick and Anthony Brown, where the Jets wanted a 1st rd pick, a 2nd rounder and either Tyron Smith or Zach Martin. What would be your package?

This probably wouldn't be enough:

#1, Jaylon Smith, Xavier Woods and Jourdin Lewis

You would almost have to send them back a quality starter who they can control for a few seasons


Gee why not throw in 6 or 7 more players for this fantasy land deal. Here's a thought for all of you who just love to fantasize about trading for Adams, IF Jones was still interested in trading for Adams all he would have to do is pick up the phone and call the jets and start negotiating a trade. Oh wait, there's been no report of that other than last season he did that so maybe, just maybe, Jones is no longer interested in trading for Adams.
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A 1st, 3rd and huge contract is a hugh amount of resources for an SS in any scheme for the modern NFL.

They could get a good Safety next off-season by signing one to a big contract without giving up picks.

I said a 1st and a day 3 pick, not a 3rd rd selection. Next year's draft early projections have a strong safety class incoming, would be the best way to address the need or needs at the position.
 

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Why not trade for Aaron Donald? He is better than the Cowboys DTs.

Why not Stephon Gilmore...

They can't for every player that is better than the players already on the roster.

If the Cowboys are going to trade a 1st and 3rd then give that player a mega contract, then there are likely a lot of players near the end of their rookie contract available for trade.

Because Aaron Donald and Stephen Gilmore are not available? If they were and they wanted to come to the Cowboys, I'd be all for trading for them.

You can't fill every roster position through trades and free agency, but you can certainly make your roster better if an opportunity is there.

If the cost is a first and third, then getting an All-Pro safety is worth that and I think Dallas would pay it. I think what the Jets want is higher than that and makes trading for Adams prohibitive.
 
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Gase wasn't seriously offering Adams last time, or he wouldn't have been asking for Zack Martin. He knows that trade's a non-starter.

My hope is that another 6 months of discontent from Adams has shown him that Adams doesn't intend to resign with the Gase Jets. The Jets aren't going anywhere in his next two seasons under contract (7-9 feels less like improvement and more like a fluke), so the smart thing for Gase would be to deal his safety while he still has value. And that would mean working with the Cowboys on a more favorable offer.

Paying Adams would be a challenge though - $18M for Byron Jones was a non-starter here and Adams would want something in that neighborhood.
 

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I said a 1st and a day 3 pick, not a 3rd rd selection. Next year's draft early projections have a strong safety class incoming, would be the best way to address the need or needs at the position.
Thing is, a 1st and 3rd doesnt get it done tomorrow, but with every Adams tantrum, the price goes down.

We need to wait for sure. Eventually a 1st and some sort of mild sweetener gets it done, or they keep him.
 

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Lol.
offer a 2nd round pick.
See how motivated this player is and how motivated the jets are, blinkey-boaters!
Then and only then make a move.
We need to go fishing.
Because... you have a boat right? I don't have a boat.
And I live in a desert.
You don't live in a desert, right?
 

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Because Aaron Donald and Stephen Gilmore are not available? If they were and they wanted to come to the Cowboys, I'd be all for trading for them.

You can't fill every roster position through trades and free agency, but you can certainly make your roster better if an opportunity is there.

If the cost is a first and third, then getting an All-Pro safety is worth that and I think Dallas would pay it. I think what the Jets want is higher than that and makes trading for Adams prohibitive.
A 1st, a 3rd and a monster contract for an in-the-box safety.
 

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If the Eagles trade for Adams, they win the division.

Period.
 

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If the Eagles trade for Adams, they win the division.

Period.
I just cant deal with that thought, while we want to hold on to low firsts like gold, so we can be entertained by the draft.

I realize you're one of the handful that's actually seen the guy play around here.
 

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Thing is, a 1st and 3rd doesnt get it done tomorrow, but with every Adams tantrum, the price goes down.

We need to wait for sure. Eventually a 1st and some sort of mild sweetener gets it done, or they keep him.

As we said this week, it has to play it's self out and the Jets willing to deal him.
 

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I said a 1st and a day 3 pick, not a 3rd rd selection. Next year's draft early projections have a strong safety class incoming, would be the best way to address the need or needs at the position.
Yes, just draft one.
 

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Because Aaron Donald and Stephen Gilmore are not available? If they were and they wanted to come to the Cowboys, I'd be all for trading for them.

You can't fill every roster position through trades and free agency, but you can certainly make your roster better if an opportunity is there.

If the cost is a first and third, then getting an All-Pro safety is worth that and I think Dallas would pay it. I think what the Jets want is higher than that and makes trading for Adams prohibitive.

The cost is not just a 1st and 3rd.

If those picks are used to draft players the picks come with rookie contracts. Adams wants a mega contract.

The choice:
1st
3rd
18M per season free agent

OR

Adams
 

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Next year's draft early projections have a strong safety class incoming
Yeah, we've discussed this, not true.

Season could play out differently, hidden gems are always a possibility, as are the chances current prospects improve, but next year's Safety class is not currently viewed as "strong".

Last year, everyone felt Grant Delpit and Xavier McKinney were 1st round picks and ended up going in the 2nd. No one in the 2021 Safety class currently is graded higher than those 2 players from this past season.
 

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The cost is not just a 1st and 3rd.

If those picks are used to draft players the picks come with rookie contracts. Adams wants a mega contract.

The choice:
1st
3rd
18M per season free agent

OR

Adams

Not worried about the money. Too many on this board get stirred up about that. You get an All-Pro, you're going to have to pay for him. Ask any coach and they will tell you that talent is the most important factor in winning.

If it came down to it moneywise (which it doesn't), I'd rather pay for whatever talent it takes to win a Super Bowl and go through several down years than always come up slightly short.
 

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Not worried about the money. Too many on this board get stirred up about that. You get an All-Pro, you're going to have to pay for him. Ask any coach and they will tell you that talent is the most important factor in winning.

If it came down to it moneywise (which it doesn't), I'd rather pay for whatever talent it takes to win a Super Bowl and go through several down years than always come up slightly short.

You don't win Super Bowls by investing massive resources into positions like Strong Safety.

See SS Patrick Chung, New England Patriots.

These are the premium positions:
QB
WR
Pass Rusher (outside or inside)
CB
LT
 

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Yeah, we've discussed this, not true.

Season could play out differently, hidden gems are always a possibility, as are the chances current prospects improve, but next year's Safety class is not currently viewed as "strong".

Last year, everyone felt Grant Delpit and Xavier McKinney were 1st round picks and ended up going in the 2nd. No one in the 2021 Safety class currently is graded higher than those 2 players from this past season.

I saw some early mocks that had a couple of 1st rd Safeties, but you could be right as they could slide if not considered elite prospects. We usually see safeties fly off the board within the top 50.
 

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We need to go fishing.
Because... you have a boat right? I don't have a boat.
And I live in a desert.
You don't live in a desert, right?

The Metroplex desert.
Where intellectual thought is stunted. Where the highest cultural achievement is welding a barbecue barrel (arc welding, of course). Where book burning is every Tuesday and Masons conspire against me.
Don't get me started ....
 

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You don't win Super Bowls by investing massive resources into positions like Strong Safety.

See SS Patrick Chung, New England Patriots.

These are the premium positions:
QB
WR
Pass Rusher (outside or inside)
CB
LT

You win by spreading your resources around. Right now, our secondary is fairly cheap, with Dix the most expensive at $4 million this year. A game-changing safety can be the one player needed to put you over the top in close games. And we've had close games in the playoffs — one play here or there against Green Bay and we possibly move on in 2014 and 2016.

Plus, if the information on Adams is correct, we may not even have to worry about a new deal for him for two years. which means if you take away his signing bonus, we'd have to pay him less than what we are paying Dix this year and then almost $10 million next year.

Even if we wanted to reup him, you could keep those numbers similar for the first couple of years. Then escalate with restructures built in.
 
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