50 Execs, Coaches, Players rank the best RB's

kskboys said:

And to be fair, I jumped in the middle of an argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My fault also!!!

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Eh...I want to like your post but this is a public forum, it’s you’re right to jump in the middle of any argument you want. Why do you think this thread is as long as it is, lol.

*still giving you a like because you meant well

QuincyCarterEra said:

I'm with you. Garrett going to Zeke during the most important portion of the game, after the passing offense had carried them to this point is a fireable offense.

Zeke should have been 4th on the totem pole, and instead called his number 3 times in a row.

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Dak is my guy but Dak shouldn't have thrown that to Zeke. I blame Garrett for taking the ball out of Dak's hands and going to Zeke every play.....

aria said:

It’s never zeke’s fault, is it? I would take Garrett over whoever the clown coach was for the Giants every day but Barkley doesn’t get the coaching excuse. If it weren’t for Garrett, zeke most likely wouldn’t have the rushing titles, funny how that works.

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So what exactly was Zeke's fault in the Minnie game?

And man please. Look you want to crap on Zeke that's one thing but please.....for gods sake please don't let your hate for Zeke allow for you to be blind on how bad of a coach Garrett is. Please.

CowboyRoy said:

LOL...........see, you are changing the subject to "would Zeke have 100 yards" and "Zeke is better than Moster".

Im not interested in your run around arguments.

Niners rushed for 130 yards, they didnt need Zeke or any other RB. What they needed was better QB play on that day.

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Jimmy G is a good quarterback. Zeke is better than anyone on that offense. Fact or fiction?

aria said:

Eh...I want to like your post but this is a public forum, it’s you’re right to jump in the middle of any argument you want. Why do you think this thread is as long as it is, lol.

*still giving you a like because you meant well

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Funny stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have this alarm that goes off in my head where I just have to try and refute stuff!!!!!!!! I can't help it. However, it's funny, because at times I've read something I disagreed w/, but then found in my research that they were right!!!!

rocyaice said:

Dak is my guy but Dak shouldn't have thrown that to Zeke. I blame Garrett for taking the ball out of Dak's hands and going to Zeke every play.....


So what exactly was Zeke's fault in the Minnie game?

And man please. Look you want to crap on Zeke that's one thing but please.....for gods sake please don't let your hate for Zeke allow for you to be blind on how bad of a coach Garrett is. Please.


Jimmy G is a good quarterback. Zeke is better than anyone on that offense. Fact or fiction?

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Lol, I won’t let zeke blind my opinion of JG but there have been times I think JG put this team in a position to win and the players screwed the pooch. It was time for him to go though.

Zeke got 47 yards against MN, for someone who claims to be the best and demands to be paid as the best I would expect a better overall performance. Also, if zeke gets the benefit of the doubt from bad coaching than Saquon should get it X 10 because as I said, Shurmur was a joke even compared to JG and now they have a HC that has never even been an OC or DC and Jason Garrett as their OC. So if that’s the case, we can start making excuses for Barkley already.

Fact but that’s why you don’t pay RB’s or draft them that high. RB being the best player on offense has rarely equaled success. It can be argued RB by committee is more effective which was proven by their rushing stats against GB and MN who zeke failed miserably against.

kskboys said:

Funny stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have this alarm that goes off in my head where I just have to try and refute stuff!!!!!!!! I can't help it. However, it's funny, because at times I've read something I disagreed w/, but then found in my research that they were right!!!!

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I jumped right into the middle of your argument doing exactly as you said, trying to refute something. Unfortunately I didn’t read everything before reacting, kind of like you alluded to with research, lol. But pretty much all of these threads go on and on from people jumping into the middle of someone else’s argument.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Notice how Dak actually did lead a comeback in 2019 against the Vikings taking us all the way down the field.... then Zeke happened LMAO

Checkmate

And notice how even without one last season, he is 2nd in that category since he entered the league

Sit this one out little buddy, you're punching above your weight class.

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oh snap!

BotchedLobotomy said:

I wonder which Cowboy hater had Zeke at 11?

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I agree. Please name me the 10 other RBs that have been better than during the last 4 years that the 2 time leading rusher in the NFL, 3 time Pro Bowler, and 1 time All Pro.

His worst season for yards in the NFL saw him rush for an average of 98 yds per game and catch +10 yds per reception. It was the suspension year the only year he did not make the Pro Bowl.

ESPN Lists will be ignored until the Lists are stop being done by Flutterbye Flying (Lying) Fairies...

rocyaice said:

Dak is my guy but Dak shouldn't have thrown that to Zeke. I blame Garrett for taking the ball out of Dak's hands and going to Zeke every play.....


So what exactly was Zeke's fault in the Minnie game?

And man please. Look you want to crap on Zeke that's one thing but please.....for gods sake please don't let your hate for Zeke allow for you to be blind on how bad of a coach Garrett is. Please.


Jimmy G is a good quarterback. Zeke is better than anyone on that offense. Fact or fiction?

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Fact is that the combo running team of Mostert, breida, Wilson, and Coleman were better than Zeke. The numbers bear that out. The fact that Zeke is better then each one individually is inconsequential. They didn't need Zeke, their guys were better. Zeke cant do what those guys can do, which is make big plays and carry the offense.

Those are the facts you cant seem to deal with.

And Zeke plays behind a better Oline, in a better offense, with a better QB and passing attack.

eromeopolk said:

I agree. Please name me the 10 other RBs that have been better than during the last 4 years that the 2 time leading rusher in the NFL, 3 time Pro Bowler, and 1 time All Pro.

His worst season for yards in the NFL saw him rush for an average of 98 yds per game and catch +10 yds per reception. It was the suspension year the only year he did not make the Pro Bowl.

ESPN Lists will be ignored until the Lists are stop being done by Flutterbye Flying (Lying) Fairies...

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For clarification, there was nothing about the past 4 years. What he did 4 years ago is irrelevant to this poll. Most people with common sense have already realized that most yards doesn‘t equal best running back. I suggest you read the entire thread before commenting any further.

buybuydandavis said:

IN 2017, losing Tyron was a bigger deal than losing Zeke.

0-2 w/o Z w/o T
3-1 w/o Z with T

0-1 w Z w/o T Seattle, first game back for Zeke, for a chance at the playoffs

Hard to argue Zeke was making a big positive difference in 2017 after controlling for whether Tyron was playing. And that's *Morris*, a washed up back.

Tyron was the guy who mattered, not Zeke.

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Smith has played 13 games for the last three seasons. The claim Smith was the bigger reason is not substantiated at all. The Cowboys lost 28-6 against the Chargers with Smith in the lineup. They simply couldn’t beat winning teams without Zeke and Dak as QB. Against the Chargers, Dak checked his way down to 179 yards and 2 INTs.

There three wins came against horrific teams with Smith playing and Dak put up 93 yards against the Commanders with Smith in the game. Dak was 11 for 22 that game. Dak struggled against the Giants and Raiders and against the latter, had a 59.5 passer rating , including 2 INTs, and if Carr touched the pylon, they would have lost to the Raiders.

Against Seattle, with both Smith and Zeke and a winning team, Dak threw for 181 yards on 34 attempts and 2 INTs. If you actually look at the play by play, the first 6 points were Zeke heavy drives that moved down the field, both times having to settle for FGs because of INC on manageable situations. The only time a Dak led dominant drive without Zeke led to a score was with less than 2 minutes left and Seattle was playing prevent.

Then in the third Dak sacked himself twice into a FG and chucked an INT the very next series after in Seattle scoring territory. Then Dak threw it 19 times in the fourth quarter.

rocyaice said:

You're doing it again. Russell Wilson completion rate was 49% from inside the 20 and Dak's was 52%.....I get what you're trying to do but you've shown when it comes to Dak you have no boundaries and will manipulate the numbers to fit your agenda.

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There is no manipulation of numbers. Seattle was fifth in red zone scoring and there last three games over 77% and last year was 65%. Russell Wilson threw the ball less than 80 times than Dak. It doesn’t matter if his percentage was less from 20 yards out, because he still put the ballin the red zone 25 times. And Dak was HORRIBLE from 10 yards out. Overall, RW was by far better in the red zone than Dak.

Like I said, Dak was MEDIOCRE in the red zone. For all the yardage he threw, when it mattered, he padded stats. He was 50% the year prior from the red zone as well.

So like I said, that wasn’t how the argument went, like you claim it did.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Notice how Dak actually did lead a comeback in 2019 against the Vikings taking us all the way down the field.... then Zeke happened LMAO

Checkmate

And notice how even without one last season, he is 2nd in that category since he entered the league

Sit this one out little buddy, you're punching above your weight class.

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The series before, Dak had 5 yards to put the ball in the end-zone and in typical fashion threw two incompletions in a row. This idea Dak would have passed his way into the end-zone against the Vikings is comical. He couldn’t even do it the series before.

On the next series, in the same red-zone, Dak had a QB read option and called for Zeke on second down. And on third down, Dak panicked and threw it immediately to a covered Zeke and he wasn’t even the first read.

Dak DID THE SAME EXACT THING in the Buffalo game three weeks later at the Buffalo SIX, except Zeke wasn’t even covered this time. And the Bills were already killing us in the third, with 25 seconds left. Its on the tape at 10:24, right at Zeke’s feet.

Dak was 47% from within 10 yards in scoring TDs. that’s Minshew, Fitzpatrick, Kyle Allen and Winston numbers, and none of them have the OL Prescott had.

khiladi said:

The series before, Dak had 5 yards to put the ball in the end-zone and in typical fashion threw two incompletions in a row. This idea Dak would have passed his way into the end-zone against the Vikings is comical. He couldn’t even do it the series before.

On the next series, in the same red-zone, Dak had a QB read option and called for Zeke on second down. And on third down, Dak panicked and threw it immediately to a covered Zeke and he wasn’t even the first read.

Dak DID THE SAME EXACT THING in the Buffalo game three weeks later at the Buffalo SIX, except Zeke wasn’t even covered this time. And the Bills were already killing us in the third, with 25 seconds left. Its on the tape at 10:24, right at Zeke’s feet.

Dak was 47% from within 10 yards in scoring TDs. that’s Minshew, Fitzpatrick, Kyle Allen and Winston numbers, and none of them have the OL Prescott had.

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@rocyaice already exposed your BS redzone stat stats, and I exposed you earlier in the thread to a comical level over your attempted stat manipulation.

Give it a rest lol

Also acting as if you knew who the first read was on a play when none of us could possibly know is beyond hilarious lmao.

QuincyCarterEra said:

@rocyaice already exposed your BS redzone stat stats, and I exposed you earlier in the thread to a comical level over your attempted stat manipulation.

Give it a rest lol

Also acting as if you knew who the first read was on a play when none of us could possibly know is beyond hilarious lmao.

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You seem to have a strange recollection of events.
Dak threw for 47% completion percentage within ten yards of the end zone this season. It’s a fact.

Google:

“Cowboys QB Dak Prescott is saying all the right things. Privately, he needs to throw a fit about the play-calling”

After six completions on seven attempts and a 4-yard run by Elliott moved the ball from the Dallas 6 to the Minnesota 11 with 1:33 left, Moore called a read option on second down and a run-pass option on third down.

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Notice the terms ‘read option’ and ‘run pass option’. And just like in the series before, Dak didn’t put the ball in the end zone despite being within ten yards out and just like in Buffalo, Dak threw it the same way at the feet of Elliott.

QuincyCarterEra said:

@rocyaice already exposed your BS redzone stat stats, and I exposed you earlier in the thread to a comical level over your attempted stat manipulation.

Give it a rest lol

Also acting as if you knew who the first read was on a play when none of us could possibly know is beyond hilarious lmao.

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He's slick man lol. He's never gonna admit he's wrong or made a mistake. He's gonna fight it to the end.

khiladi said:

There is no manipulation of numbers. Seattle was fifth in red zone scoring and there last three games over 77% and last year was 65%. Russell Wilson threw the ball less than 80 times than Dak. It doesn’t matter if his percentage was less from 20 yards out, because he still put the ballin the red zone 25 times. And Dak was HORRIBLE from 10 yards out. Overall, RW was by far better in the red zone than Dak.

Like I said, Dak was MEDIOCRE in the red zone. For all the yardage he threw, when it mattered, he padded stats. He was 50% the year prior from the red zone as well.

So like I said, that wasn’t how the argument went, like you claim it did.

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If Dak was mediocre so was Russell and Mahomes......

And Dak’s ability to comeback is pretty much a wash:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=PresDa01

His 6-0 win against the Eagles is considered a 4th quarter comeback. His 139 yard passing performance against the Vikings, because the kick returner fumbled and Dallas got the ball at the Vikings 8 with 10 minutes to go, taking the lead 14-9. Then Dallas was able to get a FG the next series, after Zeke rushes for 30 yards to the Vikings 24 and Dak throws an incompletion and on the next series, fumbles it, but Zeke recovered it.

That’s what you call a bus driver. This year he couldn’t comeback at all with his arm when losing at half-time.

rocyaice said:

Mosert, Breida, Wilson and Coleman are better the


He's slick man lol. He's never gonna admit he's wrong or made a mistake. He's gonna fight it to the end.



If Dak was mediocre so was Russell and Mahomes......

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Keep patting each other on the back, but none of this changes the reality.

Dak WAS mediocre. That is a fact.

Mahomes was injured part of the year and in the last three games was over 80% and last year KC was 70%. They were still better in red zone scoring at 11 than Dallas, led by Dak. Checkdown Charlie puts up passing yards, but can’t put the ball in the end zone. The Cowboys and Dak were 50% in red zone scoring last year as well, from 20 and 10 yards out while Mahomes threw over 60% from 20 and 10 yards out. Dak threw 12 TDs in the red zone while Mahomes threw 35, but OK.

Seattle was fifth or sixth and Russell threw 80 less times than Dak.

And neither of them have a RG like Dak or OL for that matter.

Like I said, that wasn’t how the argument went, like you claim it did.

I am truly enjoying this.

rocyaice said:

He's slick man lol. He's never gonna admit he's wrong or made a mistake. He's gonna fight it to the end.



If Dak was mediocre so was Russell and Mahomes......

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You call him a slick man, I call it something else but instead he'll just be put on ignore.

His new claim is now since two of the 4th quarter comebacks don't fit his criteria that all of them are a wash. Just an absolute waste of time. Lol

khiladi said:

Keep patting each other on the back, but none of this changes the reality.

Dak WAS mediocre. That is a fact.

Mahomes was injured part of the year and in the last three games was over 80% and last year KC was 70%. They were still better in red zone scoring at 11 than Dallas, led by Dak. Checkdown Charlie puts up passing yards, but can’t put the ball in the end zone. The Cowboys and Dak were 50% in red zone scoring last year as well, from 20 and 10 yards out while Mahomes threw over 60% from 20 and 10 yards out. Dak threw 12 TDs in the red zone while Mahomes threw 35, but OK.

Seattle was fifth or sixth and Russell threw 80 less times than Dak.

And neither of them have a RG like Dak or OL for that matter.

Like I said, that wasn’t how the argument went, like you claim it did.

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You got excuses for everything opposing Dak for some reason...so within the 20 was Mahomes and Russell better than Dak? Yes or no?