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The title is misleading.

First, Jimmy Johnson understood defense and his defensive system. He wanted smaller, faster players. Smaller, faster players aren't exactly found in the top rounds of the draft, particularly for defensive players. Smallish DT and DE aren't considered blue-chippers.

Second, Johnson drafted offense because of where the Cowboys sat in the draft. Troy Aikman was a no-brainer. The Cowboys had to take a franchise quarterback. You need a player who is going to touch the ball on every down on offense. No other player does that. And the cornerstone of your franchise is the quarterback.

Third, Johnson wanted Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy in the 1990 draft, but we had given up our first round draft pick (that would have been No. 1) to take Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Image having Kennedy AND Emmitt Smith. :omg: Then, again, maybe we don't get Emmitt if we had a first-round pick in that draft.

Fourth, in the 1990 draft, Jimmy wanted either Ray Agnew (DT who went to the Patriots) or James Francis (who went to the Bengals). The Bengals didn't want to deal so the Cowboys stayed put, then when they saw Emmitt dropping they traded with Pittsburgh to nab him. And the rest, they say, is history.

Fifth, in the 1991 draft, the Cowboys picked Russell Maryland overall and followed that pick with Dixon Edwards and Godfrey Myles.

So, in sum, it's not like Johnson didn't value defense. In fact, he did and would have picked defense had the draft fallen right. But because he knew defense, he knew what players fit his scheme. I don't know how one argues that Johnson built the Cowboys without an eye on defense. It just so happens that Aikman and Emmitt were generational players, and I don't care how much you need a defensive player, if you believe a player is a generational talent, you take him, ESPECIALLY when you need a quarterback and a running back.
Agree.....And in the 92 draft Kevin Smith, Robert Jones and Darren Woodson were picked in the first 2 rounds. So the defense was young, there was no need to pay big money........yet. Jimmy was a defensive coach he got players to compliment the young bucks....Haley, Everett, Washington, Ray Horton...and he still got Larry Brown, Jimmy Jones, Tolbert, Maryland, Darren Smith, Lett in the draft. A lot of defense there
 

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He ain't lying but also I also think it's ideal getting his return on investment of Troy, Romo, and now Dak's huge contracts and surrounding them with top-level players. But not realizing/accepting your QB can just as successful with a great defense.




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No D in Big D? Blame Jimmy
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Looking for someone to blame for the atrocious defensive play by the Dallas Cowboys this season?

Blame their newly-minted Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson.

Almost three decades ago, Jimmy showed Cowboys owner Jerry Jones that you can play defense on the cheap and still win championships. The Triplets were showered with all the glory in 1992 when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl of the decade. Overlooked was the fact the Cowboys led the NFL in defense that year, yet didn’t place a single defender on the Pro Bowl team.

There were no stars on that side of the ball that season. At least no Pro Bowl-level stars. Jimmy showed Jerry how it's done and it became gospel for the Cowboys owner. He has been all about offense ever since. The players that touch the football, score the points and show up on the Sunday-night highlights are the names plastered on the franchise marquee. Offensive skill rules. Defense became – and remains -- an afterthought.







What you're trying to claim as the reason was also the same thing that EVERY sportswriter couldn't understand that the #1 defense in the league had zero pro bowlers on it. There was a huge outcry why that #1 defense didn't have any pro bowlers. Also you seem to forget about what the Cowboys paid Haley immediately after trading for him. Also ANYONE that tries to compare an era that didn't have a cap to now is only fooling themselves.
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Haley was acquired for 1992, which many suggest got us over the hump and for 95 they acquired Deion Sanders.

Haley was well known for his on the field play and his off the field antics...
Sanders is known as one of the best ever at CB.
Haley was a DOG! He'd tear your head off. He struck fear in his opponents!
 

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When did Jerry start filling the defense with reliable B and B+ players instead of high talent players who don’t see the field because of injury, behavior, or mental health issues?

maybe if Jerry followed Jimmy’s philosophy we would be okay.
 
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He ain't lying but also I also think it's ideal getting his return on investment of Troy, Romo, and now Dak's huge contracts and surrounding them with top-level players. But not realizing/accepting your QB can just as successful with a great defense.




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No D in Big D? Blame Jimmy
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Looking for someone to blame for the atrocious defensive play by the Dallas Cowboys this season?

Blame their newly-minted Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson.

Almost three decades ago, Jimmy showed Cowboys owner Jerry Jones that you can play defense on the cheap and still win championships. The Triplets were showered with all the glory in 1992 when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl of the decade. Overlooked was the fact the Cowboys led the NFL in defense that year, yet didn’t place a single defender on the Pro Bowl team.

There were no stars on that side of the ball that season. At least no Pro Bowl-level stars. Jimmy showed Jerry how it's done and it became gospel for the Cowboys owner. He has been all about offense ever since. The players that touch the football, score the points and show up on the Sunday-night highlights are the names plastered on the franchise marquee. Offensive skill rules. Defense became – and remains -- an afterthought.

I refuse to believe someone employed as a sports journalist posted this asinine, non-factual, illogical, foolish, and border line dotard post. Rick Gosselin needs to be where Jerry Jones needs to be...retired base on the following facts:
  1. Jimmy Johnson, Gil Brandt, Bob Ackles, and John Wooten made a concurring decision to draft Troy Aikman overall in the 1989 Draft. Knowing they had to revamp the entire team, the initial focus was offensive talent at the core of the offense, QB, OG, FB, and C. With the remaining 11 draft picks, they then the drafted a replacement for Ed Jones, Tony Tolbert DE and 7 other defensive players (8 of 11 picks on defense). The use 8 of 11 picks on defense because 3 of the Great Wall of Dallas was already on the roster (Newton, Gogan, and Tuieni). The signed Jack Del Rio, and Ray Horton all defense. They used a supplemental draft pick on Steve Walsh QB to trade for more picks in the future (Erik Williams and Russell Maryland DT). On that 1989 roster was defensive players Jim Jeffcoat, Danny Noonan, Bill Bates, and Ken Norton Jr.
  2. 1989 Jimmy Johnson, Bob Ackles, and John Wooten then traded there only Pro Bowler Herschel Walker to the Vikings for draft picks but filled there 1989 roster with David Howard, Jesse Solomon, and Issac Holt all defensive players (4 of 5 players traded to Dallas was defensive). They use the draft picks from this trade from 1990-1992 to draft one offensive player Emmitt Smith and the following defensive players Kevin Smith, 1st round, Russell Maryland, 1st round/1st overall, and Darren Woodson, 2nd round. That is TWO 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick used from one trade to draft defensive players. Emmitt Smith was a Cowboys because of John Wooten contacted the Steelers making the trade for Emmitt Smith after Jimmy Johnson exhausted attempts to trade up to draft Cortez Kennedy, Junior Seau, James Francis and Lamar Latham (all defensive players).
  3. 1990 Jimmy Johnson, Bob Ackles and John Wooten would use plan B free agency and the draft to add Jimmy Jones, DT, Kenny Gant, DB, and David Harper, LB (3 of 5 picks on defense). They traded for Danny Stubbs, DE, and Dean Hamel, DT. They signed Plan B Vinson Smith, LB, James Washington, S, Jay Novacek TE, and Tommie Agee, FB.
  4. 1991 Jimmy Johnson, Bob Ackles, and John Wooten drafted Russell Maryland 1st overall in the draft, and then drafted defense 8 of 16 picks adding: Dixon Edwards LB, Godfrey Myles LB, Tony Hill DE, Kevin Harris DE, Derrick Brownlow LB, Leon Lett DL, and Larry Brown CB. All except Kevin Harris made the roster and 4 would become starters during their tenure in Dallas. But wait! On defense, Cowboys traded for Tony Casillas DT, giving up a 2nd and 8th round pick.
  5. 1992 Jimmy Johnson, Bob Ackles, and John Wooten would use two 1st round picks all on defense drafting Kevin Smith CB, and Robert Jones LB. In the 2nd round they used one pick on Jimmy Smith, WR (cut by Jerry Jones but is on the HOF list this year), and a LB from Arizona St, Darren Woodson S. With the remaining picks 5 of 11 were defensive players. But wait! they traded for Thomas Everett S for 5th round pick. After watching a workout, Johnson keeps the Cowboys 1988 11th round draft pick Chad Hennings DT. Finally, they trade for the volatile DE named Charles Haley for the 49ers for a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
Until Jerry Jones as Owner, GM, and Head Coach (1994), the Dallas Cowboys always invested heavily on defense. Gosslien forgot, due to on coming senility, that the 1st pick in Cowboys history in the 1st round was Defensive Tackle, Mr. Cowboy, Bob Lilly. The first overall no.1 draft pick by the Cowboys was Defensive End, Ed 'Too Tall" Jones. 2005 Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland draft 6 of 7 draft picks on defense to transform the Cowboys defense from 4-3 to 3-4. Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson, and Bill Parcells were defensive assistant, defensive coordinators, and defensive Head Coaches. That is why the Cowboys have 5 Super Bowls.

The 1990 Dallas Cowboy Dynasty was built through the draft, trades, and free agent signings heavy and with focus on defense. Don't let the flash of Michael Irvin 1988 draft, Troy Aikman 1989 draft, and Emmitt Smith 1990 draft fool you. Because it made a fool of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones, and Rick Goose Brain Gosslien. Jones trades, cuts, and does not resign Taco Charlton, Chavarious Ward, Anthony Hitchens, Damien Wilson, and other defensive talent given in his lap because he is a Dumbo GM. Jones and Gosslien are two old dotards that need to retire.
 

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I read this article earlier today and I thought it was one of the worst takes on the Cowboys situation yet. I thought it was "tongue-in-cheek" honestly. The article is all wrong. As other have pointed out, the Cowboys acquired Haley and signed Deion. The two best players at their positions. Plus, when Jimmy's guys left the team started to fade. After 1995 they never saw another Super Bowl and have been pretty mediocre since.

Jimmy has nothing to do with Jerry's stupidity. Jerry thinks if he replicates the Aikman-Emmitt-Irvin thing he can build another SB team. He has been trying to do that for 25 years. In the meantime, he has undervalued DT and S on defense and this has been their problem for a long time.

When is the last time the Cowboys used a 1st round pick on a DT? It was Russell Maryland in 1991. They also drafted Kelvin Pritchett that year but traded him to the Lions after drafting him. Since 1991 the Cowboys have drafted 5 CBs, 5, DEs, 5 LBs, 2 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 OT, 1 C, 1 OG, 1 Safety, and 1 TE (the ever popular ballet dancer David LaFleur whose name translates to "The Flower". I assume it was Pansy) in the first round. 20 of their 24 1st round picks were player who played "flashy" positions, guys who would be making plays. I didn't include the Safety in that count of 20 But I probably should have. All of the offensive linemen were draft since 2011. Since Jimmy Johnson left, the Cowboys did not draft a single DT in the first round. It took them 15 years to draft an offensive lineman in the first round.

Just for the heck of it I compared the Cowboys 1st round picks to the NE Patriots. Over the same time period the Patriots 1st round picks included 5 offensive linemen, including 4 tackles, and 5 DTs. We all know Belichick is a defensive guy and it is clear he will draft DTs in the first round if he gets the chance. Of course, this is one team, but doesn't anyone find it a bit puzzling why the Cowboys have not drafted a DT in the first round since 1991?
 
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He ain't lying but also I also think it's ideal getting his return on investment of Troy, Romo, and now Dak's huge contracts and surrounding them with top-level players. But not realizing/accepting your QB can just as successful with a great defense.

The ideology, was to get smart, athletic, coachable, and most importantly, tough players. Today's NFL is SOFT. Deion, would be the toughest player, on this team.



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No D in Big D? Blame Jimmy
Rick Gosselin

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Looking for someone to blame for the atrocious defensive play by the Dallas Cowboys this season?

Blame their newly-minted Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson.

Almost three decades ago, Jimmy showed Cowboys owner Jerry Jones that you can play defense on the cheap and still win championships. The Triplets were showered with all the glory in 1992 when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl of the decade. Overlooked was the fact the Cowboys led the NFL in defense that year, yet didn’t place a single defender on the Pro Bowl team.

There were no stars on that side of the ball that season. At least no Pro Bowl-level stars. Jimmy showed Jerry how it's done and it became gospel for the Cowboys owner. He has been all about offense ever since. The players that touch the football, score the points and show up on the Sunday-night highlights are the names plastered on the franchise marquee. Offensive skill rules. Defense became – and remains -- an afterthought.
 

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More like blame Jerry for drafting bad players past 10 years. They've been good at drafting on offense but horrible on defense.
 
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He ain't lying but also I also think it's ideal getting his return on investment of Troy, Romo, and now Dak's huge contracts and surrounding them with top-level players. But not realizing/accepting your QB can just as successful with a great defense.




https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/no-d-in-big-d-blame-jimm


No D in Big D? Blame Jimmy
Rick Gosselin

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Looking for someone to blame for the atrocious defensive play by the Dallas Cowboys this season?

Blame their newly-minted Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson.

Almost three decades ago, Jimmy showed Cowboys owner Jerry Jones that you can play defense on the cheap and still win championships. The Triplets were showered with all the glory in 1992 when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl of the decade. Overlooked was the fact the Cowboys led the NFL in defense that year, yet didn’t place a single defender on the Pro Bowl team.

There were no stars on that side of the ball that season. At least no Pro Bowl-level stars. Jimmy showed Jerry how it's done and it became gospel for the Cowboys owner. He has been all about offense ever since. The players that touch the football, score the points and show up on the Sunday-night highlights are the names plastered on the franchise marquee. Offensive skill rules. Defense became – and remains -- an afterthought.

Sorry to burst your bubble genius but that’s not quite true.
Even Jerrah says to this day the move that got them over the top is Charles Haley, remember him? He of 5 SB rings.
What about Deion Sanders?
Want to take a guess who pushed for getting them to Dallas?
Give you a guess... it wasn’t Jerrah

Maybe you can do yourself a favour and go watch some highlights from back in those days, might be an eye opener for you.
 
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Gosselin knows not what he talks about. Cowboys D was very good and then great when they got Haley and Deion. We had several backups that went on to start on other teams when free agency started in the early 90's. I always thought Jimmy was a great spotter of talent and prob even better at getting guys to play hard.
 
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The title is misleading.

First, Jimmy Johnson understood defense and his defensive system. He wanted smaller, faster players. Smaller, faster players aren't exactly found in the top rounds of the draft, particularly for defensive players. Smallish DT and DE aren't considered blue-chippers.

Second, Johnson drafted offense because of where the Cowboys sat in the draft. Troy Aikman was a no-brainer. The Cowboys had to take a franchise quarterback. You need a player who is going to touch the ball on every down on offense. No other player does that. And the cornerstone of your franchise is the quarterback.

Third, Johnson wanted Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy in the 1990 draft, but we had given up our first round draft pick (that would have been No. 1) to take Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Image having Kennedy AND Emmitt Smith. :omg: Then, again, maybe we don't get Emmitt if we had a first-round pick in that draft.

Fourth, in the 1990 draft, Jimmy wanted either Ray Agnew (DT who went to the Patriots) or James Francis (who went to the Bengals). The Bengals didn't want to deal so the Cowboys stayed put, then when they saw Emmitt dropping they traded with Pittsburgh to nab him. And the rest, they say, is history.

Fifth, in the 1991 draft, the Cowboys picked Russell Maryland overall and followed that pick with Dixon Edwards and Godfrey Myles.

So, in sum, it's not like Johnson didn't value defense. In fact, he did and would have picked defense had the draft fallen right. But because he knew defense, he knew what players fit his scheme. I don't know how one argues that Johnson built the Cowboys without an eye on defense. It just so happens that Aikman and Emmitt were generational players, and I don't care how much you need a defensive player, if you believe a player is a generational talent, you take him, ESPECIALLY when you need a quarterback and a running back.

Awesome stuff, great job!
:clap:

Your listing if actual events shows what a crock of bull**** Gosselin's claims are. I'll chalk it up to posting nonsense purely for attention, as the guy hasn't been relevant for years now.
 

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He ain't lying but also I also think it's ideal getting his return on investment of Troy, Romo, and now Dak's huge contracts and surrounding them with top-level players. But not realizing/accepting your QB can just as successful with a great defense.




https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/no-d-in-big-d-blame-jimm


No D in Big D? Blame Jimmy
Rick Gosselin

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Looking for someone to blame for the atrocious defensive play by the Dallas Cowboys this season?

Blame their newly-minted Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson.

Almost three decades ago, Jimmy showed Cowboys owner Jerry Jones that you can play defense on the cheap and still win championships. The Triplets were showered with all the glory in 1992 when the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl of the decade. Overlooked was the fact the Cowboys led the NFL in defense that year, yet didn’t place a single defender on the Pro Bowl team.

There were no stars on that side of the ball that season. At least no Pro Bowl-level stars. Jimmy showed Jerry how it's done and it became gospel for the Cowboys owner. He has been all about offense ever since. The players that touch the football, score the points and show up on the Sunday-night highlights are the names plastered on the franchise marquee. Offensive skill rules. Defense became – and remains -- an afterthought.

Yep.. we know. And don’t forget offense and their stars sell too.
 

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Gosselin knows not what he talks about. Cowboys D was very good and then great when they got Haley and Deion. We had several backups that went on to start on other teams when free agency started in the early 90's. I always thought Jimmy was a great spotter of talent and prob even better at getting guys to play hard.
What the story didn’t say though Is Jimmy still used valuable draft picks on defense and DL was a priority. And several became Pro Bowlers.
 
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I read this article earlier today and I thought it was one of the worst takes on the Cowboys situation yet. I thought it was "tongue-in-cheek" honestly. The article is all wrong. As other have pointed out, the Cowboys acquired Haley and signed Deion. The two best players at their positions. Plus, when Jimmy's guys left the team started to fade. After 1995 they never saw another Super Bowl and have been pretty mediocre since.

Jimmy has nothing to do with Jerry's stupidity. Jerry thinks if he replicates the Aikman-Emmitt-Irvin thing he can build another SB team. He has been trying to do that for 25 years. In the meantime, he has undervalued DT and S on defense and this has been their problem for a long time.

When is the last time the Cowboys used a 1st round pick on a DT? It was Russell Maryland in 1991. They also drafted Kelvin Pritchett that year but traded him to the Lions after drafting him. Since 1991 the Cowboys have drafted 5 CBs, 5, DEs, 5 LBs, 2 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 OT, 1 C, 1 OG, 1 Safety, and 1 TE (the ever popular ballet dancer David LaFleur whose name translates to "The Flower". I assume it was Pansy) in the first round. 20 of their 24 1st round picks were player who played "flashy" positions, guys who would be making plays. I didn't include the Safety in that count of 20 But I probably should have. All of the offensive linemen were draft since 2011. Since Jimmy Johnson left, the Cowboys did not draft a single DT in the first round. It took them 15 years to draft an offensive lineman in the first round.

Just for the heck of it I compared the Cowboys 1st round picks to the NE Patriots. Over the same time period the Patriots 1st round picks included 5 offensive linemen, including 4 tackles, and 5 DTs. We all know Belichick is a defensive guy and it is clear he will draft DTs in the first round if he gets the chance. Of course, this is one team, but doesn't anyone find it a bit puzzling why the Cowboys have not drafted a DT in the first round since 1991?

We had it right for a brief time, from the point of drafting Tyron forward. You start close to the football and work your way out. Its the exact opposite of the flash draft picks JJ loves. Imagine if we were as good at drafting DLine as OLine. It was fun watching this team maul the opposition, but damn it didn't last long. I remember a buddy of mine telling me when Callahan left that we would feel it. Lol he was right, that was definitely a part of the decline.
 

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Two key ingredients in Cap era . Elite QB and or Elite defenses are winning more Super Bowls .

Everyone has to pay their QB. The more he can elevate the offense without over investing in supporting cast the more you can invest in defense with exception under QB rookie contract.

And you have to hit every year on the draft to continue retooling after letting some talent walk due to Cap.

We have basically failed in all areas with few exceptions.
 

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We had our best opportunity under QB rookie contract but failed to put together a defense with missed draft picks and risk on that side of the ball.
 
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Only a fool would ever blame JJ. He was the last great football mind we have had...
Of course. But there are those fans who bash the messenger cause they don’t like the message. None of the greats in Cowboy history are exempt.
 
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