Video: ESPN: Marcus Spears - Dak Should leave Dallas go to 49ers

IceStar-D7 · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
5 minutes in.. One of the reasons he is so special.. Most NFL QBs can’t make that throw. The ceiling is very very high.

Only the Jets could screw this up. It’s like the people who wanted to ignore Herberts talent in that draft. The Chargers smartly didn’t.

Only the Jets could screw that up? :laugh:

Better add Dallas into that mix also.....I actually fill sorry for some of these top college quarterbacks. Depending on where they go. Their careers maybe ending before they even start.

Bigdog · Dec 10, 2020

He might be asking too much for them. This was discussed earlier in the year on Bay area sports radio and some said that his asking price might be too much for what the Yorks want to spend.

starfan1 · Dec 10, 2020

John813 said:
Well, if the 49ers want to hand over two 1st for him be my guest.

ya me too but I guarantee they aint that stupid. This is just dak hater dreams

IceStar-D7 · Dec 10, 2020

LucaBrasi said:
Agreed. He should try and get himself to a winner. Can’t win here

That's what Romo did wrong also. Stayed to long in Dallas under Jones. Another organization after his 2nd contract. Romo could of been a Hall of Famer. I hate to say it but if I were an agent and my client wanted to win a ring. Dallas wouldn't be one of the teams I'd be calling.

shabazz · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
5 minutes in.. One of the reasons he is so special.. Most NFL QBs can’t make that throw. The ceiling is very very high.

Only the Jets could screw this up. It’s like the people who wanted to ignore Herberts talent in that draft. The Chargers smartly didn’t.

Looked a lot like a Romo throw

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

VACowboy said:
What makes you think that? Truly curious.

Dak's been around his teammates on crutches at the Star. I think for someone who wanted to go elsewhere he would've distanced himself from this team and just worked on rehabbing.

CATCH17 · Dec 10, 2020

Jake said:
You also insisted the Cowboys would be as good, if not better, with Dalton at QB while those of us who have actually watched him play since he left TCU knew better.

Pardon me if I don't genuflect to your self-perceived QB wisdom.

I said we would get similar results and we have. The team is winning at about the same rate with Dalton as they did with Dak..

If both guys played out an entire season I have no doubt they would get similar results.. Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson also believed this and myself and Jimmy based it on things like this..

Dalton is one of ten quarterbacks in NFL history to have thrown for over 3,000 yards in each of his first three seasons and one of only six to throw at least 20 touchdowns over the same span. Dalton is the only quarterback to lead the Bengals to five consecutive playoff berths, and one of five quarterbacks to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first five seasons. He is also the Bengals franchise record holder for passing yards in a season, passing touchdowns in a season, and career passing touchdowns.[5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Dalton

So yes I have no doubt if everything was optimal like Dak needs than Dalton could get similar results.

Is Dak better? Absolutely.

Would we be a game or 2 better with Dak? I think so but who knows.

Does either guy change the outcomes of games? No.. They both go as their team goes.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

IceStarD54 said:
That's what Romo did wrong also. Stayed to long in Dallas under Jones. Another organization after his 2nd contract. Romo could of been a Hall of Famer. I hate to say it but if I were an agent and my client wanted to win a ring. Dallas wouldn't be one of the teams I'd be calling.

Romo would've had a ring if he had performed when it mattered most. HIs lack of ring was his own doing.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Does either guy change the outcomes of games? No.. They both go as their team goes.

That's every single quarterback in the NFL. Your expectations for a quarterback are just not realistic and I'm not sure where this perception comes from. If Aaron Rodgers defense sucks....he will lose that game no matter how many points his team scores.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I think the risk is being mediocre or completely terrible and I choose completely terrible everytime.

Plus.. After Sam Bradfords rookie year it's no longer as team crushing to draft a QB and move on from them since they implemented the rookie salary based on where they are drafted.

It was out of hand and team crushing. It's not that anymore.

Just because you pay Dak doesn't mean you'll be mediocre. Its funny you share that opinion but you think with a rookie QB they won't be?

CATCH17 · Dec 10, 2020

Jake said:
You also insisted the Cowboys would be as good, if not better, with Dalton at QB while those of us who have actually watched him play since he left TCU knew better.

Pardon me if I don't genuflect to your self-perceived QB wisdom.

Btw.. I'm never going to be 100% correct. The best of the best that do this for a living aren't even that. So this CATCH17 was wrong about something 1 time so we discredit everything else is an internet standard I can't live up to. I will be wrong.

But i've been right about a lot of QB's.

When Baker Mayfield was all the hype I didn't follow the trend. I posted this.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/i-dont-get-the-baker-mayfield-pick.402566/

Or when there was a million questions about Herbert I had opinions like this.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/draft-justin-herbert.452147/

Guys like Josh Allen who everyone hated? Not I.

I'm very decent at evaluating QB's. The NFL as a whole is at best decent at it. They miss all the time.

So the standard I get held to that is perfection is a little ridiculous.

Flamma · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
What was exposed?

This is supposed to be family friendly site!

The Fonz · Dec 10, 2020

Manster_Mash said:
He should. For his own sake.

and for our own sake.

bigdnlaca · Dec 10, 2020

I got a feeling he is going to Minnesota. He is better than Cousins.

CATCH17 · Dec 10, 2020

rocyaice said:
Just because you pay Dak doesn't mean you'll be mediocre. Its funny you share that opinion but you think with a rookie QB they won't be?

I think with a rookie QB they will either be terrible or have QB play at a similar skill to what we had with a lot more resources to build the team over a 5 year period.

I want to be terrible or shoot for the stars.

I see a lot of paid QB's that aren't winning anything. That is a trend. Dak would have to be an outlier and based on what i've seen he's got 1 whole wildcard victory on an optimal deal playing for a team that put a nice Oline in front of him, a elite RB at the time, and good options to throw to.

I don't know how the Cowboys team gets to the Superbowl while paying Dak and I have no evidence to go off of.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I think with a rookie QB they will either be terrible or have QB play at a similar skill to what we had with a lot more resources to build the team over a 5 year period.

I want to be terrible or shoot for the stars.

I see a lot of paid QB's that aren't winning anything. That is a trend. Dak would have to be an outlier and based on what i've seen he's got 1 whole wildcard victory on an optimal deal playing for a team that put a nice Oline in front of him, a elite RB at the time, and good options to throw to.

I don't know how the Cowboys team gets to the Superbowl while paying Dak and I have no evidence to go off of.

The evidence you are using is skewed and too new to hold it in high regard. Because am I to believe that Mahomes will never win a Super Bowl again because of his salary? Or Deshaun Watson? Or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson?

The issue teams have when paying their quarterbacks isn't the fact they paid their quarterback but its the poor contracts they've handed out to other guys. Rams handed out Gurley and Cooks those deals and got no return. That's money that could've been used on other pieces.

Same goes or Dallas. Dak's contract shouldn't hinder you from putting weapons around him. You have plenty of contracts you can move on from and clear money to build up this team. Tyrone Crawford, Jaylon, Sean Lee, Zeke, Lawrence....there's plenty of money and resources to build up this defense.

There is only one way you can get a game changer for this defense. Only one way you can get a potential All Pro guy on this defense and it ain't from the draft. Its from that 1st round pick you have. And you want to use it on a quarterback? Another premiere pick on the offensive side of the ball? If the plan is to get rid of Dak ok. But his replacement can't be with the 1st round pick. We will always be chasing and hoping for a defensive stud if we pass one up now.

starman22 · Dec 10, 2020

rocyaice said:
Romo would've had a ring if he had performed when it mattered most. HIs lack of ring was his own doing.

Amazing, I thought it was pretty much unanimous on this site that Jerry / Jason / Stephen, etc were to blame.

C'mon Roy, you can't blame everyone but the QB when the QB is Dak, then conveniently blame Romo when he played for virtually the same coaches (and owner)

EST_1986 · Dec 10, 2020

ChronicCowboy said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves after next season. Unless the team improves drastically in 2021, this roster will be blown up. 9ers would be a good spot for him.

When has Jerry ever blown up a roster? The senile old idiot always thinks we're in the mix.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 10, 2020

starman22 said:
Amazing, I thought it was pretty much unanimous on this site that Jerry / Jason / Stephen, etc were to blame.

C'mon Roy, you can't blame everyone but the QB when the QB is Dak, then conveniently blame Romo when he played for virtually the same coaches (and owner)

Hey I don't blame Romo entirely on his stay here. But I can't blame anyone but him for his lack of playoff success. He had some teams good enough to at least get in the playoffs. When he bobbled that snap in Seattle that was his fault not anyone else's. The years he had Nate Livings and Bernadeau as his offensive linemen...that was Jerry's doing and I'd never put that blame on Romo. But his whole stay here wasn't just everyone's fault. I can't say that.

CATCH17 · Dec 10, 2020

rocyaice said:
The evidence you are using is skewed and too new to hold it in high regard. Because am I to believe that Mahomes will never win a Super Bowl again because of his salary? Or Deshaun Watson? Or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson?

The issue teams have when paying their quarterbacks isn't the fact they paid their quarterback but its the poor contracts they've handed out to other guys. Rams handed out Gurley and Cooks those deals and got no return. That's money that could've been used on other pieces.

Same goes or Dallas. Dak's contract shouldn't hinder you from putting weapons around him. You have plenty of contracts you can move on from and clear money to build up this team. Tyrone Crawford, Jaylon, Sean Lee, Zeke, Lawrence....there's plenty of money and resources to build up this defense.

There is only one way you can get a game changer for this defense. Only one way you can get a potential All Pro guy on this defense and it ain't from the draft. Its from that 1st round pick you have. And you want to use it on a quarterback? Another premiere pick on the offensive side of the ball? If the plan is to get rid of Dak ok. But his replacement can't be with the 1st round pick. We will always be chasing and hoping for a defensive stud if we pass one up now.

How many game changers on defense are there in the NFL?

The NFL doesn't want you playing good defense.

The rules are against it.

Who is even the best defensive teams anymore? I seriously couldn't tell you.

We can do everything the right way and still only end up with a defense that is SOLID because the game is built to make them give up yards and points.

The whole Cowboys team is trending down and on top of that we already invested in the team and now we throw a big QB contract on top of our other deals?

Recipe for mediocrity.

Status quo, rookies, and a shrinking cap aren't the answer to me for the Dak Prescott Cowboys.

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