Dak never below .500 vs Watson garbage time stats

Aviano90 · Jan 11, 2021

Turk said:
I have been watching this forum for a while before I joined.

Is the OP for real? Looked at some of the other threads he started and it looks like some kind of parody.

I think the overwhelming posts on the board are parody.

Coy · Jan 12, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
watson 29-35 record and 1-2 in the playoffs....

Yep, and Marino and Kelly have 0 SB and Dilfer, Foles, Brad Johnson and Hosterler each have 1.
Goff, Garappolo, Flacco, Foles/Wentz and Grossman went to a SB and Dak hasn’t even reached NFCCG, are they better than him? I could go on and on but I think you know where I’m getting at.

Watson is a better QB than Dak and that’s not a knock on Dak, Watson is a top 5 QB in the league.

School · Jan 12, 2021

Aviano90 said:
Watson can’t carry a team.

Posted on page 1 and still not addressed.

Even Dalton carried this sad-sack, injury-ravaged team to more wins than Watson did his.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jan 12, 2021

Coy said:
Yep, and Marino and Kelly have 0 SB and Dilfer, Foles, Brad Johnson and Hosterler each have 1.
Goff, Garappolo, Flacco, Foles/Wentz and Grossman went to a SB and Dak hasn’t even reached NFCCG, are they better than him? I could go on and on but I think you know where I’m getting at.

Watson is a better QB than Dak and that’s not a knock on Dak, Watson is a top 5 QB in the league.

I think Watson is top 10, but not top 5.....I think both are top 10.....Watson has warts in his game and hasn't been able to lift his team and has had two losing seasons with only 4 wins including this past year.

Turk · Jan 12, 2021

Personally I would like someone to give examples of a QB carrying a team.

Now we have heard of QBs like Montana making a team believe they always had a chance; Roger was the same way.

BUT that I believe is different then some claims about a QB being able to carry an inferior team to a championship. Would like examples of that.

Aviano90 · Jan 12, 2021

Turk said:
Personally I would like someone to give examples of a QB carrying a team.

Now we have heard of QBs like Montana making a team believe they always had a chance; Roger was the same way.

BUT that I believe is different then some claims about a QB being able to carry an inferior team to a championship. Would like examples of that.

A QB carrying a team = a stat padder that the poster likes.

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

12+88=7 said:
Did Romo start any game in 2016? That would be no.

How many games did Prescott start this year? That would be five. That is his record, 2-3. That is under .500. A fact.

super weird bruh. but keep fighting the good (weird) fight.

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

starcity214 said:
People keep acting as if talent isnt a thing.

Some QBs have cannons for an arm.

Some are faster than most WRS.

Some have the brain of a nerd.

Tell me one thing Dak has.

Only one..

Dak is just a guy..

Nothing special about him.. Nothing.

Guys like Mahomes. Rodgers and Watson have that special gene in them. Even guys like Herbert and a couple other young QBs have it too.

Dak doesn't have it. I don't care how many stats you try and show us

At the end of the day, Dak will go down in history as just another guy.

But if you think he's better than eveey other QB in the league, keep living the dream .

what a strange place this is. you have some odd takes

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

USArmyVet said:
Dak's career record as the starting QB for Dallas is 42-27.......a winning percentage of 60.9%.....which on the surface looks great until you remove his 13-3 rookie season......then Dak's career record is 29-24....a winning percentage of 54.7%........so he has been barely above average as the Dallas Cowboys starting QB in the last 3-1/2 seasons.....not exactly something to be bragging about.

never thought about it like that. what if you remove all of his wins? then all he has is losses! and this is the guy we are supposed to pay when he's lost every game he's ever played?

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

DFWJC said:
fwiw
His average cap hit going forward for the next 5 years averages 33mil / year.....which is a relative bargain

except that's a disingenuous way to look at it.

DFWJC · Jan 12, 2021

Proof said:
except that's a disingenuous way to look at it.

No intention of being disingenuous.....just stating the simple fact that his average cap hit the next 5 years is 33/year.

Do you dispute that?
Why would stating a fact be disingenuous?

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

DFWJC said:
No intention of being disingenuous.....just stating the simple fact that his average cap hit the next 5 years is 33/year.

Do you dispute that?
Why would stating a fact be disingenuous?

because including the last year of an existing contract towards an average of a new deal is just pointless. had Dak signed an extension in his last contracted year for let's just say 40 mil. no one on earth would have pitched it as "He is under contract for a reasonable avg of 32 million over the next 5 years." sure it's truth, the already existing year is just irrelevant.

DFWJC · Jan 12, 2021

Proof said:
because including the last year of an existing contract towards an average of a new deal is just pointless. had Dak signed an extension in his last contracted year for let's just say 40 mil. no one on earth would have pitched it as "He is under contract for a reasonable avg of 32 million over the next 5 years." sure it's truth, the already existing year is just irrelevant.

This is 5 years beginning next year.
There is no deception. That is what it is.
If a team is looking to trade for him, that is what they would look at.

Turk · Jan 12, 2021

I am so on the fence with Dak. I believe we can win a SB with him. We would need a superior defense to win one without him and with a standard bus driver at the helm. I believe it would be easier to win a SB with Dak and shoring up the D the best we can; and having excellent DC and DL coaches.

Yet I am not convinced that Dak is elite either.

Right now in the league there are only Mahones, Rodgers, Brees and Wilson that can be considered elite. I think Brees is finally feeling father time. Brady is getting old and why I no longer think he is elite.
I have Mahones and Rodgers as 1 and 1A with Wilson and Brees just after them. Wilson really stank it up in a playoff game and as I said Brees is beginning to degrade.

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

DFWJC said:
This is 5 years beginning next year.
There is no deception. That is what it is.
If a team is looking to trade for him, that is what they would look at.

oh. In regards to a trade from a new team, sure. Agreed. Sorry

Proof · Jan 12, 2021

USArmyVet said:
So in other words Dak has every excuse under the sun by his defenders. Got it.

or by objective reality. you'd like to see him perform independently well of any challenges, but pointing them out isn't necessarily defending him.

SteveTheCowboy · Jan 12, 2021

Turk said:
Personally I would like someone to give examples of a QB carrying a team.

Now we have heard of QBs like Montana making a team believe they always had a chance; Roger was the same way.

BUT that I believe is different then some claims about a QB being able to carry an inferior team to a championship. Would like examples of that.

I think you are being a bit disingenuous here. You seriously never heard of "bus driver". I mean we spend all kinds of time sifting through stats and performances....you seriously think a QB's exceptional performance has little impact on the game?

Just picking a "fantasy QB" would indicate you think he would "carry the team"...at least better than the others.

Okay....so what do you think of THIS...then?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...es-by-quarterbacks/1p1xmtqfqn53m1rzzcw1n2voit

Turk · Jan 12, 2021

Cowboy Lover said:
I think you are being a bit disingenuous here. You seriously never heard of "bus driver". I mean we spend all kinds of time sifting through stats and performances....you seriously think a QB's exceptional performance has little impact on the game?

Just picking a "fantasy QB" would indicate you think he would "carry the team"...at least better than the others.

Okay....so what do you think of THIS...then?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...es-by-quarterbacks/1p1xmtqfqn53m1rzzcw1n2voit

Of course there is a difference between a bus driver like Dilfer and a HOF QB like Marino. BUT which one has a ring?

You run from that little FACT.

Marino was never able to 'carry a team'

Kelly was never able to 'carry a team'

SO TELL ME who has?

Brady? seriously?

Show me an inferior team that won a championship with a great QB 'carrying them'

I am waiting.

Chuck 54 · Jan 12, 2021

I watched the whole thing. So refreshing after this season to see just how exciting the offense is with Dak. It was also fun to see Amari really enjoying himself.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 12, 2021

I think Romo carried the team to a lot of wins. Of course, he didn't carry them to enough of them. There have been some QBs who have been able to make the players around them better. I think Brady has been like that. Some guys are able to take lessor WRs, talent wise, and make them effective. You often hear this as "Throwing Guys Open" etc. Now, I kinda don't really like that way of thinking because I believe that guys who can catch BBs in the dark, that can run really good routes are talented in their own right. They just don't run 4.3s or tip the scales and tapes at 6'3 220 etc. They don't have the physical traits that make others very desirable in terms of certain positions etc. Doesn't mean they aren't talented though.

Dak never below .500 vs Watson garbage time stats

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