Why didn’t we take the Bears trade down offer?

Walker · Apr 30, 2021

Silverz1972 said:
Parsons would have been gone by 20.

20 night as well be a second round pick.

You could easily have package a 3rd / 4th round to move up enough to still get Parson and get a 1st rounder next year. But we dont even know if the bears made up an offer.

KB1122 · Apr 30, 2021

buybuydandavis said:
I love next year picks in trade. Teams depreciate them so much. They're just giving draft value away.

One of the bonuses of having a Owner/GM should be cashing in on the steeper future discounting by staff with shorter time horizons than an owner.

I would have *much* preferred that haul from the Bears.

This.

One of the advantages of having a non-firable GM is that you have different values for next-round picks because the GM isn't going to lose his job, whereas other GMs can't afford to wait. Huge advantage. Have we ever taken advantage of that?

fivetwos · Apr 30, 2021

tyke1doe said:
Yea, I would have liked to have had the Bears' first round pick this year and next year. But here's what I keep coming back to:

1. We don't know if the Bears offered it to the Cowboys.
2. Some fans fall in love with extra picks and extra first round picks. But the goal of a first-round pick is to get a sure-fire player. If the Cowboys feel Parsons is a sure-fire player would you just give him/that up just so you can say you've got two first-round picks next year? You still have to convert those high picks into players, and who's to say Parsons won't be better than the two picks we would make next year had the Cowboys traded with the Bears?
3. The Giants needed a wide receiver, which there were plenty of top ones in this draft. The Cowboys needed defense. So when the run on the best two corners happened, we were left with getting the best defender left, which was Parsons, according to scouting services. There weren't many elite defenders in this draft. We got one.

I didn't like the Parsons pick because I don't know if the Cowboys have the culture for him to thrive. But I have been wrong before, and I hope I am now. Nevertheless, he's a Cowboy now, and I'm going to support him and hope we can tap his potential. But he's a specimen, and if his head is on correctly, he should dominant. He has prototypical size, height, weight and speed (4.37 for a linebacker is no joke). And he fulfills a need. LVE is used goods and Jaylon "the Skater" Smith is damaged goods. Actually, both are damaged goods. We need to revamp our linebacking core anyway, so this is a good pick.

I'm hoping that it will be a great pick. At any rate, we need defense, and the front office didn't disappoint - if Parsons' hype is real.

All very fair points....

There's no possible way that Chicago wasn't fishing around at 10 if Fields was the target. There's NO way they KNEW that 11 would get it done but 10 would not, and didn't as much as make the call.

It was offered. Jerry didn't want to miss out on Parsons.

People indeed tend to over value picks, but this is a first from a team that is not supposed to be near the top of the league, and there's a strong possibility it's top 5-10. If it was an offer from say, Green Bay, I wouldn't have taken it either.

Considering what teams are paying to move up for QBs, that could potentially be flipped into a haul that would really helps us.

Instead, our rivals are in that spot now.

I didn't mind the Parsons pick at all, even if he is only replacing a prior mistake, but if he has a rough rookie year and the Giants are sitting there with two top 10 picks, some people around here who currently have no issue, will suddenly see what I mean.

SMCowboy · Apr 30, 2021

A4getaboutit said:
So you think that Bears who obviously had a plan on making a move up for Fields if he fell, would decide on only making the offer to the team at 13. Not the team at 10 or 12 (after we traded back)? I would almost guarantee that this offer or a framework of this deal was discussed. We passed on it, plain and simple.

I actually agree it likely was offered. But, we may not have wanted to move out of a chance to take a STUD defender.

There is no one who was available at 20, of Parson's caliber.

SMCowboy · Apr 30, 2021

atlantacowboy said:
Still the wrong move. If Surtain or Horn was there, fine. You have to maximize the value of the pick. A first rounder from a bad team would have been well worth it. Giants probably have a top 12 pick next year in addition to their own.

Actually I would disagree. If the report is right, that Parson's might have been the pick at 10 no matter what, and honestly I think it makes since, given Parson's is the best defender in the draft.

Sorry, while Surtain and Horn are definitely the top corners in this draft and great players. Sorry, I don't think they are top 10 Corners in a normal draft. They are the best CB's in a draft that lacks truly elite CB's.

If it was just a CB we where after, then maybe you do take the trade. Or if Parson's is gone, you take the trade. But, when you have a chance to land a true STUD defender, you take it, and do not miss out on him.

But, sorry, to call Chicago a bad team, is crazy. They made the playoffs, and had a .500 record, with a carasole at QB's and noone who could make a play. Worst case, for Chicago that Fields is not ready, Andy Dalton is still a slight upgrade over who they had last year. And if Fields is a playmaker, even if he turns the ball over alot. They easily win 10 games.... Their defense is great, and will keep them in just about every game.

tyke1doe · Apr 30, 2021

fivetwos said:
All very fair points....

There's no possible way that Chicago wasn't fishing around at 10 if Fields was the target. There's NO way they KNEW that 11 would get it done but 10 would not, and didn't as much as make the call.

It was offered. Jerry didn't want to miss out on Parsons.

People indeed tend to over value picks, but this is a first from a team that is not supposed to be near the top of the league, and there's a strong possibility it's top 5-10. If it was an offer from say, Green Bay, I wouldn't have taken it either.

Considering what teams are paying to move up for QBs, that could potentially be flipped into a haul that would really helps us.

Instead, our rivals are in that spot now.

I didn't mind the Parsons pick at all, even if he is only replacing a prior mistake, but if he has a rough rookie year and the Giants are sitting there with two top 10 picks, some people around here who currently have no issue, will suddenly see what I mean.

Fair enough.

I guess we will see within a year to three.

Jake · Apr 30, 2021

Does anyone actually know the Bears offered that deal to Dallas or is all this based on assumption? If so, I haven't seen it.

I'm all for criticism when the Jones boys do (or don't do) something, but unless we know it was offered this is just baseless.

dcstar · Apr 30, 2021

Why would the Bears give up a little more to move up to 10 when they know the Cowboys are not drafting a qb? Giants were the more logical choice when looking at it from the Bears front office perspective.

If they did indeed contact Mr Jones...then obviously either the price was to steep for Chicago or he said no because they didn't want to drop to 20.

The way it turned out with both corners gone...it was a good trade for Dallas IF Parsons is who they wanted plus gaining a 3rd.

Go Cowboys!

speedkilz88 · Apr 30, 2021

SMCowboy said:
I actually agree it likely was offered. But, we may not have wanted to move out of a chance to take a STUD defender.

There is no one who was available at 20, of Parson's caliber.

Yeah, if they moved down to 20, it looks like it would have needed to be Farley and they probably didn't want to take that risk.

john van brocklin · Apr 30, 2021

A4getaboutit said:
I’m not a fan of the Parsons pick but the real missed opportunity was not taking that haul that the Giants got from the Bears:

20th pick
5th round pick
2022 first rounder
2022 4th rounder.

That 2022 first rounder has a chance to be a top ten pick. Feels like we could have traded down and then taken Newsome or Farley at 20.

Agree wholeheartedly

FVSTONE · Apr 30, 2021

I'm stoked that JJ took Parsons with the 10th pick, this kid is the real deal and WILL win DPY & ROY!

kevm3 · Apr 30, 2021

Why do people think the Bears are a bad team or will be one next year? They were a .500 team this past year. There is also the probability that we get cute with the trades and the Bears gives us a 16th or 20th pick and we end up with a one contract player this year and two mid first rounders next year. Aside from lucking out with Dak, we haven't done much with 4th rounders and 5th rounders.

When you have a guy on your board that you want, you don't risk losing him trying to get cute. I like draft picks and all, but sometimes you just go for quality and stop playing around with quantity. We signed a ton of guys last year and only two stuck through the whole season I believe, which was Aldon Smith and Zuerlain. The only one to remain on the team this year is Zuerlain. Same with draft picks. Sometimes you just don't take the risk of getting cute and you just take your guy. We took 'our guy' out of the ones available and managed to get an extra 3rd in the process.

How much ruing would there be if Parsons turns out to be in the Kuechly or Ray Lewis tier and we passed him up and ended up drafting guys with injury histories or who don't last past one contract?

Silverz1972 · Apr 30, 2021

There was three LB taken between 12 and 19. I’m sure another 3 teams were in the market for parsons if he fell.

It cost the jets two 3rd to get from 23 to 14.

The bears are not a bad team so that 1 is more like a 2.

Walker said:
You could easily have package a 3rd / 4th round to move up enough to still get Parson and get a 1st rounder next year. But we dont even know if the bears made up an offer.

buybuydandavis · Apr 30, 2021

KB1122 said:
This.

One of the advantages of having a non-firable GM is that you have different values for next-round picks because the GM isn't going to lose his job, whereas other GMs can't afford to wait. Huge advantage. Have we ever taken advantage of that?

I can't recall getting a future pick in maybe the last 20 years, or at least a significant one.

Came up with nothing useful on googling "DallasCcowboys draft day trades history". Surprised that Pro Football Reference didn't have it.

Why didn’t we take the Bears trade down offer?

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