Front office blew it. Not the pick, they blew the trade

Carson · Apr 30, 2021

fivetwos said:
Wait so the GIANTS were a threat to take a QB?

I'm not following your logic.

Eagles would be

Vinnie2u · Apr 30, 2021

Draft Day Fraud!!!!!

CIWhitefish · Apr 30, 2021

Give the post first round press conference a listen ...they alude to this. The short of it is they could have done it but did not want to lose out on Parsons.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Now I don’t really care about the fact they traded down with the eagles and we gotta face deshaun Jackson 2.0 twice a year again. That prob woulda happened anyways with the giants right behind us and the eagles at 12 anyways, he was going to be in our division.
The obvious problem is not trading down with the bears and getting a first rounder next year. The bears are in limbo and fields might be able to make them a winner and fast but I still think it could all go south in Chicago this year and they could end up drafting in the top 10 next year and gained a 4th that coulda allowed us a chance to move up into the teens again and still have gotten parson or even Collins if Micah was gone. I’m jealous at what NYG did though I’m not about the player they selected. Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

You're gonna need a bigger boat...for all of that baggage you're carrying.

TwoDeep3 · Apr 30, 2021

I heard last night the Bears and Giants had been in conversations for a while before the draft.

With the number of picks moved, that might be the truth.

So using this piece of information, making a deal with the Bears was too convoluted for a 10 minute pick decision. Evidently the Giants reacted to the Eagles move and still got a WR.

I do not believe the Bears could have made that trade on the fly as it was made. Nor do I think that would have been enough to move to 10. And the final aspect is moving to twenty essentially takes you out of a level of player, and maybe Parsons was the target for Dallas all along.

I also see a group of players that were suggested Dallas trade up into for first for sitting there today waiting to be picked.

There is enough information here to suggest Dallas made the right move, if you look at all the machinations to get it to come out as it did.

Bobhaze · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Now I don’t really care about the fact they traded down with the eagles and we gotta face deshaun Jackson 2.0 twice a year again. That prob woulda happened anyways with the giants right behind us and the eagles at 12 anyways, he was going to be in our division.
The obvious problem is not trading down with the bears and getting a first rounder next year. The bears are in limbo and fields might be able to make them a winner and fast but I still think it could all go south in Chicago this year and they could end up drafting in the top 10 next year and gained a 4th that coulda allowed us a chance to move up into the teens again and still have gotten parson or even Collins if Micah was gone. I’m jealous at what NYG did though I’m not about the player they selected. Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

I understand your point Z. But honestly we won’t really know how this FO did in this draft or with that trade possibility for a while. Most fans’ opinion about what a great draft looks like is a kaleidoscope of pet cats and pre-draft hype. Some of it may be right. But we won’t know for a while.

fivetwos · Apr 30, 2021

SeanLee50 said:
Eagles would be

Right, but that means Chicago doesn't begin to make phone calls until pick 11?

These things are done well in advance of the draft, and I'm sure they talked.

My guess is Dallas told them they would be interested if all their targets were gone.

They weren't and they decided that dealing down as far as 20 would cost them a shot at one of them.

All I'm saying is that this pick needs to be tied to the overall decision. It may very well work out that it was the right move.

Many teams have many conversations and the idea that Chicago made a deal for a franchise QB at 11 but never once spoke to the team at 10 is ridiculous.

DeaconMoss · Apr 30, 2021

fivetwos said:
After moaning about this for the last 12 hours, there are definitely a few ways to look at it.

In the end, like every other draft move, it's going to take time to assess.

But the idea that Chicago made a deal for a QB at 11 and never bothered to call the team holding the 10th pick is absurd logic.

They knew NYG nor Dallas was taking a QB, so they had to get in front of Philly. Only if they thought Philly was taking a QB. They probably could have waited and got a deal at 14 with the NYJ to get in front of NE. But that's their loss.

nightrain · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Now I don’t really care about the fact they traded down with the eagles and we gotta face deshaun Jackson 2.0 twice a year again. That prob woulda happened anyways with the giants right behind us and the eagles at 12 anyways, he was going to be in our division.
The obvious problem is not trading down with the bears and getting a first rounder next year. The bears are in limbo and fields might be able to make them a winner and fast but I still think it could all go south in Chicago this year and they could end up drafting in the top 10 next year and gained a 4th that coulda allowed us a chance to move up into the teens again and still have gotten parson or even Collins if Micah was gone. I’m jealous at what NYG did though I’m not about the player they selected. Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

I don't think the Cowboys would have given the Bears a better and deal considering they were a pick a ahead of the GMen. Also, The Cowboys probably felt the 1st round was a bust if they did not come away with Parsons (explained very eloquently by our highly esteemed C.C.).

It's all good.

jaythecowboy · Apr 30, 2021

Aven8 said:
Who did we get at 20 in your scenario than?

Newsome for me

Aerolithe_Lion · Apr 30, 2021

Problem is why do you think the bears would trade with Dallas? They knew Dallas wasn’t taking a QB, and neither was Philly. Trading that high was unnecessary.

but with Smith off the board, they also knew NYG no longer had a dog in the fight and would trade out with anyone, most importantly another team that wanted fields

atlantacowboy · Apr 30, 2021

Bobhaze said:
I understand your point Z. But honestly we won’t really know how this FO did in this draft or with that trade possibility for a while. Most fans’ opinion about what a great draft looks like is a kaleidoscope of pet cats and pre-draft hype. Some of it may be right. But we won’t know for a while.

Bob, we criticize the handling of the draft every year. When have we been wrong? The FO always sits backs and lets other teams scoop up our targets, and then they hold a presser and try to sell that this was there guy all along. Its a load a BS. Passing on the Bears trade offer was absurd. Its like saying that Parsons is worth the 20th overall pick, a first rounder next year, a 3rd, and a 4th rounder. Makes no sense.

plymkr · Apr 30, 2021

Jarntt said:
1) So we know we were offered the same thing?
2) we aren't getting a player like Parsons at #20
3) a 3 this year is kind of treated like a a 2 next year, which means a 1 next year is similar to a 2 this year. So Micah and a 3 vs pick #20 and a 2? I'm happy with what we did. But then again, I'm hoping to not suck this year.

Exactly, until someone confirms that the Bears offered us the same trade and we turned it down then I'm not going to gnash my teeth. I'm no fan of Jerry Jones as a GM or owner, there is a lot of things he has done wrong. I don't need to come up with something I'm guessing at or assuming might have happened to be mad at. Jerry has given me 25 years of reality to be angry at, I don't need assumptions or fantasy to be mad at him even more.

fivetwos · Apr 30, 2021

Aven8 said:
Who did we get at 20 in your scenario than?

That's a tremendous question leading into a great point.

Ojulari and Moehrig for me, and they are both still there.

I'm beginning to lean toward Parsons being the right move, BUT, again....the idea that they could have had that pick next year has to be tied to the overall assessment in a few years.

The thing bothering me is people trying to say we didn't have the chance. That's about not possible.

john van brocklin · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Now I don’t really care about the fact they traded down with the eagles and we gotta face deshaun Jackson 2.0 twice a year again. That prob woulda happened anyways with the giants right behind us and the eagles at 12 anyways, he was going to be in our division.
The obvious problem is not trading down with the bears and getting a first rounder next year. The bears are in limbo and fields might be able to make them a winner and fast but I still think it could all go south in Chicago this year and they could end up drafting in the top 10 next year and gained a 4th that coulda allowed us a chance to move up into the teens again and still have gotten parson or even Collins if Micah was gone. I’m jealous at what NYG did though I’m not about the player they selected. Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

Feel we missed an opportunity

fivetwos · Apr 30, 2021

plymkr said:
Exactly, until someone confirms that the Bears offered us the same trade and we turned it down then I'm not going to gnash my teeth. I'm no fan of Jerry Jones as a GM or owner, there is a lot of things he has done wrong. I don't need to come up with something I'm guessing at or assuming might have happened to be mad at. Jerry has given me 25 years of reality to be angry at, I don't need assumptions or fantasy to be mad at him even more.

Lol, yep....can't argue that.

Jerry will yell us what he turned down to get this player. He loves that....get your #11 jerseys!

9darter · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

Yeah, basically they traded Darrisaw + a 2022 first rounder to move up for some LB weirdo who cannot defend the pass.

Pathetic level of incompetence.

Rockport · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Now I don’t really care about the fact they traded down with the eagles and we gotta face deshaun Jackson 2.0 twice a year again. That prob woulda happened anyways with the giants right behind us and the eagles at 12 anyways, he was going to be in our division.
The obvious problem is not trading down with the bears and getting a first rounder next year. The bears are in limbo and fields might be able to make them a winner and fast but I still think it could all go south in Chicago this year and they could end up drafting in the top 10 next year and gained a 4th that coulda allowed us a chance to move up into the teens again and still have gotten parson or even Collins if Micah was gone. I’m jealous at what NYG did though I’m not about the player they selected. Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

Give up the chance to take the best defensive player in the draft and an extra 3rd pick? SMH.

Playmaker3128 · Apr 30, 2021

Zekeats said:
Now I don’t really care about the fact they traded down with the eagles and we gotta face deshaun Jackson 2.0 twice a year again. That prob woulda happened anyways with the giants right behind us and the eagles at 12 anyways, he was going to be in our division.
The obvious problem is not trading down with the bears and getting a first rounder next year. The bears are in limbo and fields might be able to make them a winner and fast but I still think it could all go south in Chicago this year and they could end up drafting in the top 10 next year and gained a 4th that coulda allowed us a chance to move up into the teens again and still have gotten parson or even Collins if Micah was gone. I’m jealous at what NYG did though I’m not about the player they selected. Even coulda gotten darrisaw at 20.

There are so many variables to this. We truly don’t know what and if the bears made an offer to us.

second.... I looked at that division. Detroit lost golliday.... Vikings are in flux as well.... if Rodgers leaves GB the bears could easily win that division. They can run the ball and play defense. Remember how that helped dark his rookie year

lk8701 · Apr 30, 2021

Devin White's stats last season (his 2nd season): 140 tackles and 9 sacks.

If Parsons can do that his 2nd season then it's a successful move. I actually think Parsons can be a 10 sack guy.

Front office blew it. Not the pick, they blew the trade

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