Stephen Jones’ Annual Approach to Safety

TheMarathonContinues · May 10, 2021

Bobhaze said:
Any reference to Stephen Jones in any context should include the words “lazy” and “cheap”.

Ehh lazy doesn't come to mind but cheap and bargain surely do.

viman96 · May 10, 2021

rocyaice said:
I'd say Giants ignore LB too...when's the last time they drafted a good linebacker? Seems like its been 20 years lol.

Good call. I could not think of a position for them but LB is a blind spot for them.

dsturgeon · May 10, 2021

Sydla said:
LOL. Did you just become a fan? They have had literally years to upgrade the FS and they refuse. Other than a flirtation with Earl Thomas, they have largely ignored any chance at real improvement at the FS position.

It takes a special kind of homer to defend what they have done at FS over the years.

are you saying they have not upgraded FS out of spite or self sabotage?

TheMarathonContinues · May 10, 2021

viman96 said:
Good call. I could not think of a position for them but LB is a blind spot for them.

Yeah it seems like our tight ends have field days against their linebackers. I know Jarwin seems to like them...Witten did too.....

Sydla · May 10, 2021

dsturgeon said:
are you saying they have not upgraded FS out of spite or self sabotage?

No, out of misguided belief that the position isn't that vital and that in a capped world, FS is a position they can try to get by with using minimal resources (one can argue they approach DT in a similar fashion).

In their world, it's smart to pay a crap ton for a TB than make real improvements at S.

Jake · May 10, 2021

CATCH17 said:
They have to have an ace up their sleeve. A trade, a CB conversion, or Earl Thomas needs to happen.

Earl Thomas wasn't good in Baltimore and his teammates hated him. He's not riding in on a white horse to save the day.

I would've loved to have had him several years ago but this isn't 2014.

dsturgeon · May 10, 2021

Sydla said:
No, out of misguided belief that the position isn't that vital and that in a capped world, FS is a position they can try to get by with using minimal resources (one can argue they approach DT in a similar fashion).

In their world, it's smart to pay a crap ton for a TB than make real improvements at S.

How many teams actually have top notch FS's? Out of those teams with top notch FS's, how many of them are as good as they are because the DL, corners, and LB'ers are are top notch?

It is hard to find an elite free safety because there are not many. You can pay for an older one, but it will break the bank, and if the rest of the defense is not good, it will be a waste.

Improving the corners, dline, and lb'ers will make a safety look better, not the other way around. If an above average FS fell into their lap, they would not turn it down

Risen Star · May 10, 2021

Yeah, it's Stephen's approach.

It's amazing people still think he runs this team when just a couple of years ago there was video of a team calling in to trade, Stephen interested in it and Jerry quickly shooting it down.

But Stephen runs the team. Ahuh.

quickccc · May 10, 2021

rocyaice said:
Oh of course they do. They don't value the position. Its clear. I'm just not sure if they should over other positions.....

And I'd assume there's no concern over Kazee or they wouldn't have brought him in. But I don't disagree they don't value the position. That's quite clear.

There are times when that's not as evidence until that recovering player has hit the playing field again.
Chiefs were confident All pro safety Eric Berry would return to previous form from an achilles injury until the pads were on, stakes on the line and he had to take up
the task, until it became quite evidence after a time that he just wasn't gonna be the same pre-injury form.
And note that Kazee was only signed to a relatively cheap one year contract. Could that be a prove it rental deal ?

Dre11 · May 10, 2021

CATCH17 said:
Knowing what they are trying to do defensively I don't know how they could go into the confidently go into the season with what they have at FS.

I would argue that FS is the most important position for us in this scheme.

They have to have an ace up their sleeve. A trade, a CB conversion, or Earl Thomas needs to happen.

maybe they have faith in Kazee, the guy when healthy was good for Quinn as a playmaker.

Dre11 · May 10, 2021

Sydla said:
Kazee is coming off a serious leg injury. We have no idea how good he's going to be if he can even play at all, frankly.

They have butchered FS for years. It's not just this draft. It's every draft. They clearly think FS is a position, like DT, they can throw some slop at and hope it works out........... year after year after year after year after year.

the injury isn't a career ender like in the past, these guys comeback from these injuries especially when they're young. We had people screaming for Hooker who's had even more injuries.

Teague31 · May 10, 2021

Jourdan Lewis is their “answer” at safety.

Bobhaze · May 10, 2021

rocyaice said:
Ehh lazy doesn't come to mind but cheap and bargain surely do.

I guess the reason I include “lazy” is it doesn’t matter if this team wins or loses- his job security and growing fortune have no bearing on the team’s success. He can prop both feet on the desk and do literally nothing and it would not change his power position with this organization. Nepotism is alive and well at the Star.

Sydla · May 10, 2021

dsturgeon said:
How many teams actually have top notch FS's? Out of those teams with top notch FS's, how many of them are as good as they are because the DL, corners, and LB'ers are are top notch?

It is hard to find an elite free safety because there are not many. You can pay for an older one, but it will break the bank, and if the rest of the defense is not good, it will be a waste.

Improving the corners, dline, and lb'ers will make a safety look better, not the other way around. If an above average FS fell into their lap, they would not turn it down

There is a wide chasm between having a truly elite S and what the Cowboys do every year which is slap crap on the wall and hope it doesn't smell.

I mean they have had really poor S play for years now and yet you seem to be defending their decision making. It's bizarre. Their priorities in building a roster are misplaced.

Sydla · May 10, 2021

Dre11 said:
the injury isn't a career ender like in the past, these guys comeback from these injuries especially when they're young. We had people screaming for Hooker who's had even more injuries.

But there is no guarantee he'll be the same player. And he has a heightened risk of recurring injury in that foot.

He's the only true FS we have on the roster unless you think Wilson can play there.

Dre11 · May 10, 2021

Sydla said:
But there is no guarantee he'll be the same player. And he has a heightened risk of recurring injury in that foot.

He's the only true FS we have on the roster unless you think Wilson can play there.

I think they got a good idea on Kazee , they trust their training staff. Wilson in a pinch yes can play there, they also drafted some of these other guys to try out at FS too, that's where they said Wright would start out. I'm going to trust Quinn has a plan.

Landryhat73 · May 10, 2021

Once both corners went and we took Parsons, there went my dreams of getting a starting free safety. It looked like there were 3 in the draft (Grant, Holland and Moehrig). Unfortunately we also needed a starting corner and that seemed to be the focus.

TheMarathonContinues · May 10, 2021

quickccc said:
There are times when that's not as evidence until that recovering player has hit the playing field again.
Chiefs were confident All pro safety Eric Berry would return to previous form from an achilles injury until the pads were on, stakes on the line and he had to take up
the task, until it became quite evidence after a time that he just wasn't gonna be the same pre-injury form.
And note that Kazee was only signed to a relatively cheap one year contract. Could that be a prove it rental deal ?

Oh its for sure a prove it deal. I think its a prove it deal from his account though. I think the Cowboys would've signed him to a longer term deal. I thought Kazee was the one who preferred a prove it deal.

dsturgeon · May 10, 2021

Sydla said:
There is a wide chasm between having a truly elite S and what the Cowboys do every year which is slap crap on the wall and hope it doesn't smell.

I mean they have had really poor S play for years now and yet you seem to be defending their decision making. It's bizarre. Their priorities in building a roster are misplaced.

I am not defending any decisions, I get why there is not a really good safety on this team. Did you think about those FS questions? If there are only a few elite safeties in the league, out of 32 teams, what does that tell you? I am no expert, but I would bet the good ones tend to be on team with really good corners and dlines. When the qb is getting hit and making mistakes, he throws bad passes. When the corners are good, the FS looks good.

The front office has neglected the defense, but they have a really good offense. What team is top of the league in both? How can you pay a safety big money, when it is at the bottom of the list of positions you need to pay, and make a good team?

TheMarathonContinues · May 10, 2021

Bobhaze said:
I guess the reason I include “lazy” is it doesn’t matter if this team wins or loses- his job security and growing fortune have no bearing on the team’s success. He can prop both feet on the desk and do literally nothing and it would not change his power position with this organization. Nepotism is alive and well at the Star.

Well you put it that way....you're right.

What's sad....if I was Jerry....I'd run it exactly the same way. Especially if I had 3 rings so sadly I don' see this changing anytime soon.

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