Here is what is different about Quinn

JoeKing said:

No, the difference between those two answers is like night and day. It can't be "both".

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One's a joke about his age slowing him down on some things. The other is the fact that the old Marine is tough and still a good DL teacher, which is why he didn't have trouble finding another job when he was let go from here.

The truth about Marinelli is that he's not a great coordinator (his greatest success came under defensive head coaches while he's been only so-so on his own), but has always been a good position coach. The same holds true for Quinn in Seattle, but he has shown that he can succeed elsewhere, even if it soured on him in Atlanta, which is the only thing that gives me some hesitancy.

gimmesix said:

One's a joke about his age slowing him down on some things. The other is the fact that the old Marine is tough and still a good DL teacher, which is why he didn't have trouble finding another job when he was let go from here.

The truth about Marinelli is that he's not a great coordinator (his greatest success came under defensive head coaches while he's been only so-so on his own), but has always been a good position coach. The same holds true for Quinn in Seattle, but he has shown that he can succeed elsewhere, even if it soured on him in Atlanta, which is the only thing that gives me some hesitancy.

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Quinn should stick to being a coordinator and never be a head coach again.

ninja said:

Shanahan did fine without Quinn. I'd say it was more offense and Shanahan than Quinn and his defense. Quinn's ours now so I hope is all you think he is.

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now you're backtracting, first you say he was the overseer of everything, now it's Shanahan offense

Dre11 said:

now you're backtracting, first you say he was the overseer of everything, now it's Shanahan offense

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HC is responsible for everything that happens on the field. HC oversees the offense and defense. Delegates down and gets involved when necessary. Sets overall strategy and approach. Can delegate down if one likes.

Shanahan and the offense carried the team.

Say, I have two employees. One is very good and has a really good plan. I approve it and give cart blanc. The other employee has a good plan but it just isn’t working. My responsibility is to fix it if need be. If the other employee is rocking it enough, might be ok if the other one is faltering. One good player can carry the team.

Shanahan crafted the offense and worked it. Quinn rode his coattails. Management often does this with really good employees.

Shanahan was also the one responsible for that superbowl loss if he's credited for the offense. They should have never taken that sack when they were up by 20+ points in the 3rd quarter.

ninja said:

HC is responsible for everything that happens on the field. HC oversees the offense and defense. Delegates down and gets involved when necessary. Sets overall strategy and approach. Can delegate down if one likes.

Shanahan and the offense carried the team.

Say, I have two employees. One is very good and has a really good plan. I approve it and give cart blanc. The other employee has a good plan but it just isn’t working. My responsibility is to fix it if need be. If the other employee is rocking it enough, might be ok if the other one is faltering. One good player can carry the team.

Shanahan crafted the offense and worked it. Quinn rode his coattails. Management often does this with really good employees.

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But you want to blame him for the defense? So did Belichek ride the coat tail of Josh Daniels? after all Josh craft the offense and work it. You're digging your own grave...lol I know how coaching work. but your contradictions are fun

Coogiguy03 said:

We felt the same about Nolan

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No - we didn’t. We hated the Nolan hire because he had a rep as a loser D coordinator and Quinn doesn’t.

phildadon86 said:

Not really. Because 1 win out of 27 years of futility doesnt make him right. He chose his ego over probably being the only team in history to 3 peat in the NFL. Hell. I would be surprised if we didnt 4 peat and go down as the greatest dynasty ever.

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Well the statement Jerry made was "500 Coaches could win a Super Bowl with this team." 5 years later with the onset of the cap and free agency and the effects of Father Time it was no longer the same team.. But with THAT team he was proven correct. Also I'm pretty sure the Packers 3-peated in the 60s but the first one was before the Super Bowl so people often dismiss it. However they were NFL champs in '65, '66 and '67. And I don't think anyone here thinks for one second the would not have beat the pants off the '65 AFL champs Buffalo Bills.

I also think that had the Cowboys completed the 3-peat in 1994 that would have meant playing 2 playoff games in 1991, 3 in 1992, 3 in 1993 and 3 in 1994. Meaning they would have entered 1995 having played 75 games in 4 years when most of the rest of the league was playing 64. I think people grossly underestimate the physical toll playing an extra 3 games a year takes on the players' bodies. There is a reason why Emmitt got hurt at the end of 1994. Troy missed 2 games.. Injuries along the offensive line were the reason Larry Allen had to play three different positions as a rookie. That team was spent physically by 1994. They used the pain of the loss to the Niners that year to fuel one more run in 1995.. I contend that had they beaten the Niners that day they would not have been hungry enough to come back and do it again given their level of physical expenditure already. But it's definitely a fun "What if?"

Redball Express said:

Here is a clear-eyed view about Quinn for our defense we have not had in years.

Enjoy.

And thanx to the poster who added this for all to digest.

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LOL. Another idiot on Youtube.

Seriously, do we need to support such kind of guys with clicks ?

Chocolate Lab said:

Those guys were extremely successful on their sides of the ball at multiple stops, though, which Quinn hasn't done.

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Ah, what? Seattle’s defense? The one that went to back to back Super Bowls and would’ve won both if not for an idiot head coach.

BourbonBalz said:

Ah, what? Seattle’s defense? The one that went to back to back Super Bowls and would’ve won both if not for an idiot head coach.

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Multiple stops?...

Don't you want to see a guy who can replicate his success and not just have it with one team with a group of players largely already in place when he got there?

I mean he's here and he seems like a likable guy so I hope he does well, but I'm not encouraged by his defenses in Atlanta.

ninja said:

Shanahan and the offense took that team to the SB. Not the defense. The defense and HC blew a giant lead in epic disgrace.

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LOL Shahahan was too blame also. He forgot that he could also run the ball and run out the clock.

ConstantReboot said:

LOL Shahahan was too blame also. He forgot that he could also run the ball and run out the clock.

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Bingo! One play cost them the Super Bowl. Run the ball, kick a FG, game over.

BourbonBalz said:

Ah, what? Seattle’s defense? The one that went to back to back Super Bowls and would’ve won both if not for an idiot head coach.

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Yes the idiot head coach was ultimately responsible but let's not gloss over the fact that Quinn's defense allowed Brady to throw for like 300 yards and 2 TDs IN THE 4TH QUARTER!!! Some of the stink from that game falls on him too. Just not as much stink as the ATL collapse.

BourbonBalz said:

Bingo! One play cost them the Super Bowl. Run the ball, kick a FG, game over.

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Oh it was more than that one play.. It was the Matt Ryan sack fumble that got the Pats back into the game to begin with. Then the pass play from the 21 yard line with a couple of minutes left and only needing a FG that led to a sack.. Then the next pass play that drew the holding call to take them out of FG range then the next two stupid play calls followed by a punt when 3 kneel downs and a FG could have salted the game away. AND could have used up more time and left Brady with like 30 seconds to get two scores. What's funny is he blew the game against the Chiefs in almost the same way I think trying to prove that he was right when he brain farted the other Super Bowl away..

RonnieT24 said:

Yes the idiot head coach was ultimately responsible but let's not gloss over the fact that Quinn's defense allowed Brady to throw for like 300 yards and 2 TDs IN THE 4TH QUARTER!!! Some of the stink from that game falls on him too. Just not as much stink as the ATL collapse.

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You do realize Brady and the Patriots were pretty damned good too, right?

Hand the ball to the RB and they win. It’s that simple. That’s on the offensive coordinator or HC or both.

BourbonBalz said:

You do realize Brady and the Patriots were pretty damned good too, right?

Hand the ball to the RB and they win. It’s that simple. That’s on the offensive coordinator or HC or both.

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Sure they were.. but they did not deserve to win that game. It was gifted to them by the Seahawks.. just like the Falcons did a couple of years later. In both instances the coaches on the other sideline let Belichick get into their heads and force them to do something monumentally stupid.

Redball Express said:

Let's be honest..

If Quinn succeeds alot will be becuz the offense is winning games and forcing team to play a prevent defense.

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Offense has to get more leads to help the defense. Score in the redzone and stop kicking so many FG's.

DeaconMoss said:

Offense has to get more leads to help the defense. Score in the redzone and stop kicking so many FG's.

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From your fingers to Moore's ears... or something like that. Kellen Moore needs to quit shifting into that stupid 5-wide empty backfield crap every time we get into the red zone. It would be different if we had a red zone beast receiver like Dez on the squad but we don't so tipping your hand down there letting the defense know it doesn't have to worry about the 225 pound wrecking ball in the backfield makes no sense. But what do I know? I'm just some schlub on the internet.

ninja said:

Anyone could have coached the Seattle Legion of Boom.

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And Jerry said something similar about the 90's Cowboys and look how that turned out...