This defense still has a ways to go. Pass defense is killing us

ondaedg said:

Marino and Fouts would throw for 400 and the opponent would throw for 500. It’s a losing battle and what they would have done to have an above average defense.

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If the 400 yards are leading to points, you're probably losing the game, if not means little or nothing.

pansophy said:

Things that killed us last year are still present, which is why I think this thread has some merit. The turnovers are saving this defense, which is great, but we are still have led the league in giving up plays of 20+ yards and are currently 19th in red zone defense. If we go through a spell of not getting any turnovers, suddenly the conversation will be "where did the defense go".

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All defenses are trash and will give up big plays. Especially on a team that scores a lot like Dallas.

Other teams will make our defense look bad some weeks because that’s how the league is built.

JBS said:

Do you? Try watching more games and learn what you are watching. There’s 10 people in here telling you the same thing

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Nobody is trying to tell me anything at all, because I don't listen to biased opinions.

If you call what the Panthers did Sunday "garbage time", but you can't say the same about what the Cowboys were doing last year in losing efforts then I don't care what you have to say. Because you're biased and you can't talk reasonably about this team.

Irvin88_4life said:

Haha yea ok

It's very clear i replied to you, on purpose, to say garbage time. If you have been around long enough you would know garbage time is not something i use.

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Then you shouldn't have used it and got yourself caught up and called out for it.

9of11 said:

Its the DQ effect, let teams have their will against us in the 4th after were blowing them away until the score becomes respectable and looks a lot closer than it should have. Opposing teams rack up huge passing yards with big gains next thing we know they drove the length of the football field in under 2 minutes....Philly and Carolina game were the same in the 4th. We had them down
and we let their offense start clicking, gaining huge yards and scoring easily...In the Carolina game, we allowed them to get within 8 pts with about 4 minutes left in game....they had the momentum. If it weren't for them using up all their time outs they might have tied the game...lucky for us our offense was very good. Had me worried for nothing. I dont care how many we are up, if we don't play till the end, its going to come back and bite us.....at the wrong time....AKA....Super Bowl with Atlanta or in the playoffs...

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Exactly ........

CATCH17 said:

All defenses are trash and will give up big plays. Especially on a team that scores a lot like Dallas.

Other teams will make our defense look bad some weeks because that’s how the league is built.

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Maybe -- we are middle of the pack in points allowed. There is a lot of room for improvement, and I just don't know if you can count on getting turnovers every week. I hope that continues.

MountaineerCowboy said:

Then you shouldn't have used it and got yourself caught up and called out for it.

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Haha you didn't call me out. It's just funny that your brain doesn't comprehend.

Usually i would put dots....... but guess i over estimated your smarts......or lack of

Hawkeye0202 said:

Not trying to be negative Nancy here but a couple of things to keep in mind....

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yet you are...

CowboysFaninHouston said:

well, yes, the pass defense has to produce. I don't think anyone should be surprised to see parts of the defense struggling, given last year we were bottom sucking in all areas. I think critical to all of this is the run defense. if you can't stop the run, then you are doomed to suck. and suck we did.

this year, pass defense is struggling a bit, but its a case of half dozen of one, and 6 of the other. pressures, sacks and interceptions are much better. those are pass defense metrics. yards is not. passing TDs is improved. however, looking at couple of different factors since its early in the season. We played four offenses that are top 10 in passing offense. so in those cases you often end up somewhere in the middle with the defense vs. offense. and against Philly, Carolina, they were a bunch of yards and TDs in the 4th quarter when the game was over and we played prevent (something we can't do and DQ has to fix).

so its early. and then here come the giants, who are top 10 in passing. so expect a few more yards, but more of the same with pressure, sacks and interceptions.

the good thing is we rank middle of the pack in scoring defense and that's key....and take away those meaningless late scores and we are in good shape when it counts.....so give it a few more games....

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+1 excellent point .......notice I mentioned in OP if we can keep scoring under control, none the yard issues matter

blueblood70 said:

yet you are...

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Whatever Blue.....lol

pansophy said:

Maybe -- we are middle of the pack in points allowed. There is a lot of room for improvement, and I just don't know if you can count on getting turnovers every week. I hope that continues.

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Yeah but we never ran away from the Chargers and point totals were kept low.

The Eagles didn’t do anything until we built a huge lead.

Panthers were stuck at 14 until we got a huge lead.

So just looking at a black and white stat leaves out context.

Irvin88_4life said:

Haha you didn't call me out. It's just funny that your brain doesn't comprehend.

Usually i would put dots....... but guess i over estimated your smarts......or lack of

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The insults are all I need from you to show that you got caught up and now you're in your feels about it.

There's no need to get emotional. You can just chalk this up to a lesson learned.

How can pass defense be killing the Cowboys when they are one play away from being undefeated?

The bottom line is points scored and there are two ways a defense can prevent it. Either they stop the opponent on their drive or they take the ball away. I'm in favor of the latter.

Most agreed that if the defense could elevate themselves to being average after last season then the offense could do the rest. Now here they are 16th ranked in allowing points and it is "killing us"?

Nobody disagrees that this defense has a long way to go with respect to being a top 5 defense but we should be pleased with the progress after 4 games. They are no longer the liability that prevents the team from being successful. It's way to early to discuss, but it should be noted that the current rookies will enter their 2nd season in 2022 as the players expected to breakout.

A few rookies are really exceeding expectations and the temptation is to place the same expectations on the rest of them. That is unrealistic. However, we should have every reason to expect vast improvement from the 2nd year defensive players. Diggs has fulfilled that expectation wonderfully. Anae is beginning to contribute and I expect Gallimore to make his statement once he enters the field.

Meanwhile , we can expect incremental improvement from all as the season progresses.

Hawkeye0202 said:

So far, with the exception of turnover ratio (ranking 1st) we've flip from one of 2020 worst defensive rankings to another one for 2021. In other words, last season we had the league's worst rushing defense ( dead last) and spent the offseason hell-bent on fixing it. The good news is it so far this season, we are ranked 6th rushing yards allowed BUT the bad news, we are dead last passing defense ( 31st ). That is, 31st in total passing yards allowed and passing yards allowed per game.

https://www.lineups.com/nfl-team-rankings/defense

Not trying to be negative Nancy here but a couple of things to keep in mind.....

• Quinn is a former Dline coach
• We are 16th in points allowed per game. IF we can improve this to at least top 10, the 31st yards ranking issue won't matter much. Why? As Belichick says ( many here know I've repeated this a 1000 times) only two defensive stats really impacts the game, turnover ratio and scoring defense ( keeping points off the board).
• What happens if we don't fix the passing yard issue? Look no further than the Panthers letting them back in the game and nearly lost. This has been an issue with his defenses, giving up points late in games
• Also, teams with a good QB AND Oline can put up a lot of points, especially late in the game when your D is tired.
• On January 22, 2017, Quinn's Falcons won the NFC Championship against the Green Bay Packers 44–21, clinching a berth to play in Super Bowl LI against the New England Patriots.[15] Up 21–3 at halftime and 28–3 in the third quarter, the Falcons blew the largest lead in Super Bowl history and lost the game in overtime by a score of 34–28.[16][17]

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You’re way overthinking it. When you put up a to. Of points teams are forced to abandon the run and throw a lot.

Hawkeye0202 said:

Ok......So Zeke's choking comment was about.........

BTW.....over 4 games we are dead last in passing yards allowed. It's going to bite us in the azz if can't stop the scoring.

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TB is dead last. We are ranked 31st. Not a big difference, but again we are not dead last like you keep saying.

Yards to gauge how the defense is playing is misleading. The better stat to look at is points per play the defense is giving up. We are currently ranked at 20. Not great but not the worst.
We are better than Tampa Bay, GB, Washington, Philly, and SF.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Points per Play | TeamRankings.com

Hawkeye0202 said:

So far, with the exception of turnover ratio (ranking 1st) we've flip from one of 2020 worst defensive rankings to another one for 2021. In other words, last season we had the league's worst rushing defense ( dead last) and spent the offseason hell-bent on fixing it. The good news is it so far this season, we are ranked 6th rushing yards allowed BUT the bad news, we are dead last passing defense ( 31st ). That is, 31st in total passing yards allowed and passing yards allowed per game.

https://www.lineups.com/nfl-team-rankings/defense

Not trying to be negative Nancy here but a couple of things to keep in mind.....

• Quinn is a former Dline coach
• We are 16th in points allowed per game. IF we can improve this to at least top 10, the 31st yards ranking issue won't matter much. Why? As Belichick says ( many here know I've repeated this a 1000 times) only two defensive stats really impacts the game, turnover ratio and scoring defense ( keeping points off the board).
• What happens if we don't fix the passing yard issue? Look no further than the Panthers letting them back in the game and nearly lost. This has been an issue with his defenses, giving up points late in games
• Also, teams with a good QB AND Oline can put up a lot of points, especially late in the game when your D is tired.
• On January 22, 2017, Quinn's Falcons won the NFC Championship against the Green Bay Packers 44–21, clinching a berth to play in Super Bowl LI against the New England Patriots.[15] Up 21–3 at halftime and 28–3 in the third quarter, the Falcons blew the largest lead in Super Bowl history and lost the game in overtime by a score of 34–28.[16][17]

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the refs intervened in that Carolina finish and it was never in jeopardy..most of the big pass yards are teams playing catchup or trying to get ahead in a tight game..we did this to many teams last year with garbage stats and still lost..

on the flip side no ones running so its skewed, we are t that great of run stopping defense yet highly ranked same reasons..we are tops in TOs etc which is one of the biggest defensive stats necessary to win..

we get your point but you aren't actually telling me you dont comprehend why a lot of those passing yards are being pout up??

didnt ,most here wish for middling defense this season to have successful run with our offense

we have it and now its being cherry picked..you cant expect that mess the last 2 season to be fixed in one offseason..most expectations were hover around 16 in total d..we are there and still have horses coming off IR for the stretch run...

anyone saying we should keep our starters and foot on the pedal all game to the end to keep that giant lead safe doesn't se the big picture. They needed rest we pulled them to keep them from being injured..The game was in hand 36-14 ill take the final score over 2-3 score win and lose Gregory diggs or others..

this is NOT about stats and ranking its about Wins..the coaches did the correct thing last game..

Kelvin Joseph was on the field yesterday working with the trainer. Maybe he can get some playing time before the playoffs.

First, the Panthers game was never in doubt in the 4th. The Cowboys win % never once dipped below 96% the entire quarter.

Second, the highest scoring offenses generally have poor statistical passing defenses and above average to god run defenses. This is because teams are often playing them from behind and chasing points with the passing game, especially late in games. A competent NFL QB is going to be able to move the ball through the air against any defense determined only to make them bleed clock with a deep shell cover 2 or cover 3:

It’s important to point out that if you just take the first 3 quarters, we’re 21st in total pass defense and 18th in YPA. Only when factoring in the Eagles and Panthers significant garbage time stats do we drop to 31st.

INCowboysFan said:

TB is dead last. We are ranked 31st. Not a big difference, but again we are not dead last like you keep saying.

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My apology......lol