Twitter: Wince vs Dak

atlantacowboy said:

Oh here's one for you Dak fans, Dak is THE Worst starting QB in the league in the red zone. His completion % drops to 55%........ only 5 TD throws inside the 20. Thats b/c he is inaccurate and can't hit his guys unless they are wide open.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/redzone-passing.htm

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This is such a good stat, you should start a new thread just about it.

atlantacowboy said:

He is the worst starting QB in the NFL inside the red zone. Thats just a fact. Look it up Bozo.

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You are too dumb to look up the right year Bozo.

JoeyBoy718 said:

Martin, who is a top 2 OG

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Let you in on a secret, he isn't the 2nd best OG. Wish he was ... but he just isn't & hasn't been for a while now. Still good but not dominate.

atlantacowboy said:

Dak is not accurate and has a second rate arm. He makes a lot of simple short throws like Mac Jones is doing in NE. Thats just the design of the offense. Completion % means nothing in todays offenses. Look where Dak hits his wrs. The balls are often wobbly and thrown high and behind the wrs (who often catch them anyway) which is why he struggles the closer he gets to the end zone. He needs wrs running wide open in space to hit them.......like Sunday against WFT's preseason caliber defense. He also benefits greatly from the best OL in the NFL. He's not getting sacked 50 times a season like Wentz in 2020 when he had a banged up OL and nobody to throw the ball too. But in terms raw talent, Wentz wins hands down and I'd bet he would be doing just as well as Dak right now if he had dropped to Zekes spot in that draft.

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OMG.

You have the worst ability to evaluate a football player i have seen since reading the other yahoos who use the same tired cliches to describe Dak. You act like he some bum off the street...unreal.

So we are clear...the "hands down RAW TALENT" of Wentz...lol...his highest YPA came in 2017 (aka his "MVP" type season) was 7.5 ypc(6.8 for his career). Dak is currently 7.4 and they went through a huge stretch where they were using the short pass in place of the inept running game. Dink and Dak has also averaged 7.6 YPA for his CAREER. So i suggest you revise your slants against Dak and actually educate yourself on the player.

And you can harp on "completion percentage" is not an indicator of accuracy blah blah blah. Come on, there is no other measure of a qb's accuracy. When Aikman was leading the league in completion percentage, it was all anyone cared about. Now it is doctored...makes less sense than your bashing of Dak. Dak is #5 all time in completion percentage for his career. It is only going up.

Your argument is just so easily refuted, you just hate that you are wrong. Totally wrong. Have to come to grips with it because when he wins a super bowl this year, you are going to look even more foolish than you already do lol

atlantacowboy said:

Like one playoff win in 6 seasons despite having more talent around him than any other QB in the league? You must be one off those impressed by garbage time stats that Dak likes to accumulate.

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Funny how you leave out he had a god awful defense every year he has been in the league and played for the absolute worst coaching staff in the league. With a head coach that could not even make it 2 seasons with the lowly Giants. You are a clown who made a clown Red Zone thread about Dak using 2020 stats. Bozo.

Wince has not won squat in this league. Eagles benefitted from his injuries. He was benched in 2018 because he was so bad. And the Eagles could not wait to move on from him. This is a 1st rd pick, too. Dak was a 4th rounder.

Sevenup3000 said:

The team that he quit on last year...this year is actively tanking by trading away their best offensive weapon...and STILL is 25x better under Hurts...who many on this board don't even think a NFL QB...than they were with Wentz.

Wentz is a terrible QB. And a more terrible person. Can't wait for that idiot to test positive for covid and miss their playoff game because of it.

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lol...my only regret is that it is not an actual playoff game.

Man if the Ravens weren't so injured and were in a better position, the Colts would probably be completely f*cked right now.

Imagine if this were Dak. Imagine what the reaction would be.

Danny White said:

This is such a good stat, you should start a new thread just about it.

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I miss that thread already..........

Cowboy fans are some of the most contrary and ridiculous individuals in fandom. Why is Dak, Zeke, Lawrence, and Gregory mostly used in negative comparisons? If some of you do not like the players on this team, please stop following the team. Goodbye, begone, arrivederci!

To all you Wentz nut huggers, he was the second pick in the draft and isn’t even on the team that drafted him. If he’s so great how did Philly give up on him after only 5 years? That say a lot.

BourbonBalz said:

To all you Wentz nut huggers, he was the second pick in the draft and isn’t even on the team that drafted him. If he’s so great how did Philly give up on him after only 5 years? That say a lot.

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Wentz is good. I get that he was an Eagle, so we must hate him, but he has talent and he's having a great season.

The Colts are a team that NOBODY wants to see in the playoffs. They have Taylor who could be the MVP, Wentz playing smart, and a good defense. They're a dangerous team right now.

MountaineerCowboy said:

Wentz is good. I get that he was an Eagle, so we must hate him, but he has talent and he's having a great season.

The Colts are a team that NOBODY wants to see in the playoffs. They have Taylor who could be the MVP, Wentz playing smart, and a good defense. They're a dangerous team right now.

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You say Wentz is good but more importantly, does Dak suck? You know, since you explicitly said Dak sucks.

CarolinaFathead said:

You say Wentz is good but more importantly, does Dak suck? You know, since you explicitly said Dak sucks.

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When he sucks I say he sucks. When he plays well I say he plays well.

It's week to week with inconsistent guys like Dak. You never know who's going to show up. That's why I don't trust him in the playoffs. We might win a game or two, but I can't see him playing well against 4 playoff teams in a row.

atlantacowboy said:

He is the worst starting QB in the NFL inside the red zone. Thats just a fact. Look it up Bozo.

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So Dak this year is at 59% redzone and Wentz is 56.3%..your really not good at this. Again just say "I like my QB to look like Wentz is why I like him better" there is literally nothing he does better...why would you even keep this going.

atlantacowboy said:

Oh here's one for you Dak fans, Dak is THE Worst starting QB in the league in the red zone. His completion % drops to 55%........ only 5 TD throws inside the 20. Thats b/c he is inaccurate and can't hit his guys unless they are wide open.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/redzone-passing.htm

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well, sorry to inform you that you are wrong for 2021. those are 2020 stats.. so your false spin is, well false... 2021 stats inside the redzone

2021 Red Zone Passing Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Stafford has 51%,
Josh allen 54.7%,
rodgers at 57%,
prescott is at 61.45%,
Mahomes is at 63%.
herbert is at 55%
goff is at 48%

in terms of total yards,
Brady leads with 409, but Dak is 4th with 340...

as for total TDs, stafford is at 27, while Dak is 8th with 20.....

Dak has 1 interception inside 20, mahomes has 3, most others are at 1......

so you tried to write a false narrative but caught lying about it....you seem very desparate.

atlantacowboy said:

Like one playoff win in 6 seasons despite having more talent around him than any other QB in the league? You must be one off those impressed by garbage time stats that Dak likes to accumulate.

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so Witten and Dez are the most talented players in their position in the NFL in 2016, 2017, 2018? Beasley was soooooo talented...I mean he was wow, just oh so talented.

I say vote Dez into HOF....

atlantacowboy said:

He is the worst starting QB in the NFL inside the red zone. Thats just a fact. Look it up Bozo.

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that stat was from 2020 (less than 5 games) you clown

MountaineerCowboy said:

Wentz is good. I get that he was an Eagle, so we must hate him, but he has talent and he's having a great season.

The Colts are a team that NOBODY wants to see in the playoffs. They have Taylor who could be the MVP, Wentz playing smart, and a good defense. They're a dangerous team right now.

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so if Wentz is having a great season, based on results in every which way, then Dak is having a greater season than Wentz....right?

yes, agreed, Colts are a good team and danger to anyone they play in the playoffs.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

so if Wentz is having a great season, based on results in every which way, then Dak is having a greater season than Wentz....right?

yes, agreed, Colts are a good team and danger to anyone they play in the playoffs.

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I believe Wentz has been better overall this year, but Dak's had better games.

I believe if Wentz was our QB we would have the same record we do now, if not better. I believe the difference between them is that thin.

MountaineerCowboy said:

I believe Wentz has been better overall this year, but Dak's had better games.

I believe if Wentz was our QB we would have the same record we do now, if not better. I believe the difference between them is that thin.

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yes, difference is thin (depending on definition of thin)..
but how has Wentz been better over all. every statistic says Dak is better. the very definition of being better is having better games.

I believe with Wentz we would be at 9-6 right now, similar to where he has the colts. I just don't trust him. he has had some really really bad games this year....very much protected by his running game

MountaineerCowboy said:

When he sucks I say he sucks. When he plays well I say he plays well.

It's week to week with inconsistent guys like Dak. You never know who's going to show up. That's why I don't trust him in the playoffs. We might win a game or two, but I can't see him playing well against 4 playoff teams in a row.

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Lemme see.. Dak has 8 games this year with a passer rating over 100.. Wentz also has 8.. Dak has 4 games with a passer rating under 80.. Again same as Wentz.. But for some reason this says Dak is inconsistent and Wentz is trustworthy.. I mean literally the same numbers.. And that has come with one guy backed by the league's leading rusher and the other guy having to overcome a complete lack of any consistent rushing attack over the past 7 games.. Weird isn't it. How about this one.. Dak has 7 games this year in which he has completed over 70% of his passes.. Wentz only has done it 4 times. Wentz has been in a training wheels offense most of this year.. He has thrown the ball less than 30 times in 6 games this year.. That's compared to two such games for Dak. You have to really dig for any metric that supports the Wentz is better than Dak stance being espoused by some. Dak is better.. and has been better for the bulk of their respective careers including this year. Hell if not for the injuries to his line, to Zeke and to himself Dak is probably running away with the MVP right about now.