The Quarterback Game

GINeric

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I don't care bro. What I care about is what I see with my own eyes, and he doesn't have it. I was his biggest supporter for 6 straight years, and I'm done with him. Don't talk or say **** to me, get it done.

I respect that. Its crazy tho, because some of the same things said above Dak, I've heard said about P. Manning and Brees. In my opinion, next season is the last "show me" season for Dak. If we don't get a deep run into the playoffs and (its LEGITIMATELY Dak's fault) why we didn't progress, then I'll have to revisit my stance on him.

One thing we can't do is lead the league in penalties again and expect Dak to pull us out of 2nd and 15 or 3rd and 20 every other possession.
 

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Dallas didn't settle with Prescott, they knew he was their franchise QB and signed him according to market value. WAY too much emphasis is placed on the QB in terms of wins an losses that it's made people have tunnel vision. Put any QB behind center in Dallas vs. the 9ers for example and there's not many that would have "put the team on their shoulders." He did make some mistakes, don't get it twisted. But he was pressured 50% of the snaps, sacked 5 times and hit 14. The oline moved to the side while 4 defenders trashed our offense all game long. The total rushing yards was an embarrassing 77 total yards and Dak had 27 of them. Dak's mistakes aside, there's not many overcoming that train wreck.
True, but there are QBs who could have done the same thing Prescott did, do a lot less money, and the money saved could have bought a better OL. It's all moot of course, because you can't change the past, but some people learn from it. Jerry doesn't seem to be one of those people, unfortunately.
 

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But he was pressured 50% of the snaps, sacked 5 times and hit 14.

Wanna hear something funny? The same thing happened to Mahomes this past weekend and he STILL managed over 400 yards and threw 5 TD's.. All you are doing is making excuses for Dak.

A good or elite QB CAN overcome all those things you say caused Dak to fail. Dak just isn't close to being on the same level as Mahomes and that is why he can't overcome stuff like that when it happens.

But hey, lets just keep making excuses for Dak when everyone knows the better QB's can beat that stuff.
 
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You start by not extending the contract of a guy who hasnt gone deep in the playoffs Then you dont do it again five years later.
 

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The truth is that collegiate football coaches are paid to win games, not create NFL ready QB's. That why there is a real lack of them in the league.

When I grew up a QB was groomed to play for years. A rookie was drafted behind a solid starter. Rodgers, behind Favre, Young behind Montana, even Danny White carried a clipboard behind Staubach for years, etc....when was the last time that happened in recent memory?

Hitting a pick in the top 5 removes so many potential options that are never even considered. Tim Tebow is a great example of a complete miss, but history is full of those that were supposed to be locks.

There's not many Aikman, or Peyton Manning's out there, but how many potential Tom Brady, and Joe Montana QB's get overlooked because no one looks at all?

The teams are using full size digital screens to create a virtual look at defensive schemes, and give a learning process to potential reads, maybe those will be a part of the combine or team tests at some point. The Wonderlic hasn't been the best QB test.
 

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Wanna hear something funny? The same thing happened to Mahomes this past weekend and he STILL managed over 400 yards and threw 5 TD's.. All you are doing is making excuses for Dak.

A good or elite QB CAN overcome all those things you say caused Dak to fail. Dak just isn't close to being on the same level as Mahomes and that is why he can't overcome stuff like that when it happens.

But hey, lets just keep making excuses for Dak when everyone knows the better QB's can beat that stuff.
That's not accurate, you're making up things.
Mahomes did not get sacked 5 times, he did not get hit 14 times and he did not get pressured at a rate of 50%.
I'm not making excuses, that's what actually happened. The O line couldn't stop a 4 man rush. Facts.
 

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True, but there are QBs who could have done the same thing Prescott did, do a lot less money, and the money saved could have bought a better OL. It's all moot of course, because you can't change the past, but some people learn from it. Jerry doesn't seem to be one of those people, unfortunately.
I'm not defending Jones though. I'm pointing out what happened pretty much the entire 2nd half of the season. His market value is irrelevant. I really don't even see the point in bringing that up. Both Mahomes and Allen make more in salary by millions and they're continuing on in the playoffs.

Some fans have this weird disconnect when it comes to a Dallas QB. The expectations are just WAY beyond irrational.
 

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Some fans have this weird disconnect when it comes to a Dallas QB. The expectations are just WAY beyond irrational.

That comes with being the Dallas QB1. Always has been. For what he wanted to get paid, he's not getting any breaks from anyone, and deservedly so.
 

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Hard to make the case that the Cowboys value drafting fresh talent at the quarterback position. In a 14 year span they drafted just 1 quarterback and that was MCGhee……they never like any challenge at the Qb position which is ridiculous and leaves us with crap when the starter goes down.
 

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That is the game they all play and only a few hit the jackpot and the others are faced with the dilemma of what do at that position.

Do we think PHL wants to go forward with Hurts or CLE with Mayfield? What's the alternative?

When Prescott was up, they wanted to keep him because they'd already made him a star and if they were honest, they are a lot luckier than good at finding QB's.

Lawrence and Herbert look like the real deal but what about L. Jackson, Fields, Tua, Z. Wilson, Lock, Goff, Wentz and Jones is going to need as much help as Tannehill in TEN.

Their teams want a boatload for Watson and Wilson and a GM still has to have the team around them.

What alternative to Prescott was there for this team? Brady? What makes anyone think he would choose Dallas over any other team especially TB? Money wasn't his bait, another ring was.

Most teams have to settle at QB and that is exactly what the Cowboys did.

Most teams are going to pay the QB more that they want but that's the nest they made with their rules. They either have to have a Brady, Mahomes or Rodgers or a 2nd tier QB and have the support for him. Or just keep picking QB's.

And let's place the blame where it goes, their mistake was not doing that deal, it was failing to keep the OL up and failures in the draft with Biadasz, McGovern and Williams because this is a QB that needs protection and time. And a run game and that circles right back to this OL.
You can't justify Dak as "settling" at $40 million per year.
That's not "settling".
The Cowboys could have- and should have- gotten a real quarterback for that price.
They knew he would choke under pressure. It's not like he didn't have a history.
 

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That comes with being the Dallas QB1. Always has been. For what he wanted to get paid, he's not getting any breaks from anyone, and deservedly so.
Yeah, not even close. It's beyond unreasonable and I don't have to tow the company line because it's the norm here. I have many friends with great football minds that aren't Dallas fan who have a better understanding.
 

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Fair. How many Tom Brady's have come along in the last 40 years? This shouldn't take long. o_O
There are plenty of examples of QBs that didn't get drafted in the 1st round but went on to have HoF careers.
 

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Yeah, not even close. It's beyond unreasonable and I don't have to tow the company line because it's the norm here. I have many friends with great football minds that aren't Dallas fan who have a better understanding.
Let me guess, you backed him getting signed for $40M per season.
 

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Hard to make the case that the Cowboys value drafting fresh talent at the quarterback position. In a 14 year span they drafted just 1 quarterback and that was MCGhee……they never like any challenge at the Qb position which is ridiculous and leaves us with crap when the starter goes down.
It also never makes the starter improve, because he knows there’s no competition.
 

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Let me guess, you backed him getting signed for $40M per season.
Backed? I have no dog in the fight nor do I manage the cap, I'm just a fan and Dallas is just entertainment. If I concerned myself with things non of us know all of the details on, I probably would sound just as crazy as some fans here.
I do understand market value. It has zero to do with what we consider "his worth." I'm one of the guys who took heavy fire for suggesting that if you know who you want to be your long term QB, extend his contract as early as you can because the market value goes up after every signing. They waited. And fans have been whining ever since and ignoring that the next QB signings went even higher. It's crazy money, but it is what it is. You sign the guys you want to keep. Fans cry about every player's salary when we're losing. Some think that "if only we didn't sign Prescott, we would be able to afford a real solid O line." Not knowing they just admitted a weakness.

That all being said, I do understand the concept. Wouldn't it be amazing if we didn't have a salary cap? Or better, if the entire roster gathered together and took an average so they could stack a team? But life's not a fairytale.
 

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It also never makes the starter improve, because he knows there’s no competition.
They got lucky with Romo and Prescott. Look at the 2016 QB draft class. Most aren't even playing, imagine that waste of resources?
 

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12 wins in the regular season aren't cheap. Show me a QB this season with 12 wins that was available to hire at the time Jerry finally decided to pay Dak. He's not out there.

Fair. How many Tom Brady's have come along in the last 40 years? This shouldn't take long. o_O

Funny you should ask that. Because your question was the answer to his question above. Tom Brady was available as a free agent when we decided to pay Dak.

Not saying we would have won anymore but it answers the question of a QB with 12 wins this year who was available.
 

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Cracks me up the amount of people on this board that think elite quarterbacks grow on trees. Most on here would rather have us drafted Johnny Manziel because he was a first round pick.
 

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Funny you should ask that. Because your question was the answer to his question above. Tom Brady was available as a free agent when we decided to pay Dak.

Not saying we would have won anymore but it answers the question of a QB with 12 wins this year who was available.
Available means the QB was willing to go there. Brady has said on many occasions how much he hates the Cowboys. He was never "available".
 

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When considering QB's and this GM, consider the fact he said "Romo is the only QB in the NFL that can play behind this OL". The loudmouth said it while the negotiation was going on and that slowed it down somewhat but just think what an admission that is. Let's not fix the OL, let's get someone that can play behind this one. And let's ignore how many times he's getting hit.

Well, now he is faced with a different challenge because this QB cannot play behind this OL against good DL's, I don't think many could.

They've already shown they cannot draft good OL except in the 1st round, and that's on McClay because it is his board. And they cannot afford a good FA OL and try and keep the band together.

And the jury is still out on the 2021 draft class except for the 1st rounder.

They've got some holes in the pie crust and not enough dough to fill them all. There is every reason for us to assume they might take steps back, not forward. And that's if the keep the coaching staff intact, which is unlikely.

Romo said it during that broadcast, the time is now. Many things have to fall in their favor to have the window as open as it was this season.
Wasted opportunity
 
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