The time is right to switch to a 3-4 base

cowboyec · Feb 9, 2022

Majic said:
That's why we should make it a priority

they won't.
they haven't.

glimmerman · Feb 9, 2022

You need a big DT for that. And we need 2.

Cowpolk · Feb 9, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
and the same can be said for the 4-3. It comes down to personnel and execution of the players. Dallas has went down the 3-4 before and did not work out so great. I think what Quinn is doing will continue to produce for the defense. I really do not see him going to traditional 4-3 or 3-4.

They already use both

BobSacamano · Feb 9, 2022

JBS said:
If you knew that nickel was base , as you claim, this wouldn’t be nearly as important as you think it is.

the key to parsons being as successful as he was last season, is moving him around and not letting the defense key in on him so easily. The posters on this board that want to stick him in one place and leave him there will make him worse than what he is

Micah is who he is because he’s not faced up on a OT a majority of the time. If these posters were coaches he would be getting washed out repeatedly head up on an OT the amount of times these guys wish him to be.

SlammedZero · Feb 9, 2022

Just leave it and add some more pieces. They played well last season. This FO absolutely refuses to find a great DT, so it's pointless anyway.

Cowboyny · Feb 9, 2022

baltcowboy said:
I was in favor of him just being a pass rusher but Parsons said himself he considers himself a chest piece. The Vikings game he was strictly a middle linebacker and played like Ray Lewis in his prime. Then you watch him rush the passer from edge and notice how he changes the game. The Cowboys hit a home run with this one.

Yes, we don't want to define him, just use him all over based on matchups. I hear many say make him a pass rusher, he already rushes plenty, but also affects the game in other ways.

baltcowboy · Feb 9, 2022

Cowboyny said:
Yes, we don't want to define him, just use him all over based on matchups. I hear many say make him a pass rusher, he already rushes plenty, but also affects the game in other ways.

I have watched your boy Zion from Boston College. He would be a good pick at 24. I actually like his film better then the center from Iowa.

JBS · Feb 9, 2022

BobSacamano said:
Micah is who he is because he’s not faced up on a OT a majority of the time. If these posters were coaches he would be getting washed out repeatedly head up on an OT the amount of times these guys wish him to be.

They’re so dumb lol

Mr_437 · Feb 9, 2022

Sounds like some overthinking is going on because it's not that complicated. Doesn't matter what the scheme is if Dallas has soft players and the front office doesn't value certain defensive position more than they do the kicker.

1. Get a good NT to protect the LBs and make the DL better overall because he takes up a double team.
2. Get another LB in here that is good enough to allow Parsons to move around.
3. Get a ballhawk at FS.

You need ballers around Parsons period.

OmerV · Feb 9, 2022

Majic said:
Build the scheme around Parsons.
Incredibly it wasn't until Week 3 we seem to realise he could play off the edge full=time if needed

He had a sack and 4 QB hits in Week 2.

We probably didn't see it as much in Week 1 because D-Law played. He got more pass rushing opportunities starting in Week 2 after Law was hurt.

OmerV · Feb 9, 2022

John813 said:
If it was 2002, sure go to a 3-4 and let Parsons shine killing the QB.

But now, nah. I prefer having Parsons being able to line up as the LDE, then ILB, then OLB etc. And the offense has to account for him pass rushing in any lineup

I think that's something a few people aren't grasping - that he doesn't have to be limited to a specific role to be available to rush the passer on any given play. My guess is he is more efficient (higher success rate) because the opposing offense can't game plan for a specific role, and it probably helps other pass rushers with the offense worried about Parson's rushing the passer even on downs where he does not.

gimmesix · Feb 9, 2022

nightrain said:
Why not incorporate a 3-4 alignment into a scheme that plays to weaknesses of the opposing offense?

I believe we already do that. Some of the looks we used at times last season were 3-4. Quinn tried to set it up so that offenses couldn't identify when Parsons was rushing the passer and when he wasn't. I would expect us to build on that.

SackMaster · Feb 9, 2022

Majic said:
I would like to see priority given to drafting an OLB on the other side along with a true Nose Tackle.

While I don't really disagree on moving to a 3-4 defensive front with Parsons on the roster, I have absolutely no confidence that the above part of you post will happen.

We wasted a 8+ years of DeMarcus Ware's career having play across the likes of:

Scott Fujita
- Who was never a passrushing threat (Less than 5 sacks every year in his career)
Greg Ellis
- A converted DE that had arguably his best years as an 3-4 OLB, even though he was no where near the athlete needed at the position
Anthony Spencer
- Nicknamed "Almost" Anthony Spencer for a reason
George Selvie (4-3 DE)
- A career backup that registered a whopping 10 sacks in 2 years with the Cowboys

And was "protected" by

LaRoi Glover
- A borderline HOF caliber player who was VASTLY undersized for the NT position
Jason Ferguson
- Had the size, but at his age and NFL wear and tear by the time we signed him, he was hardly spectacular as a Cowboy
Jay Ratliff
- The prototypical undersized "1-Gap Nose Tackle", arguably the most oxymoronic position description in NFL history

If, and that's a BIG IF, the Cowboys learned and are willing to get another great Passrushing OLB and a NT that needs to be double teamed on nearly every play, then I'm with you.

Unfortunately, history has shown this to be highly unlikely.
:thumbdown:

Cowboyny · Feb 9, 2022

baltcowboy said:
I have watched your boy Zion from Boston College. He would be a good pick at 24. I actually like his film better then the center from Iowa.

Yeah, Linderbaum's size worries me.

fivetwos · Feb 9, 2022

baltcowboy said:
I have watched your boy Zion from Boston College. He would be a good pick at 24. I actually like his film better then the center from Iowa.

I like him too. A lot actually. Like the versatility and wonder if he can also be an effective tackle.

Imagine a guy who can step in and play C or LG for now, but also take over for Tyron eventually.

But theres that funny little 'value' thing most are hung up on, so......

Maybe something like a deal down similar to the Frederick pick.

This way we have extra mid rounders for project corners that will hit free agency right around the time they are ready to hit the field.

I'll see your Reggie Robinson and raise you a Nashon Wright. Maybe throw in a rapper guy.

Trenches be damned.

Never have enough of those corners to get us that Super Bowl, right Jerry?

Majic · Feb 9, 2022

OmerV said:
He had a sack and 4 QB hits in Week 2.

We probably didn't see it as much in Week 1 because D-Law played. He got more pass rushing opportunities starting in Week 2 after Law was hurt.

Apologies I meant week 2

Majic · Feb 9, 2022

SackMaster said:
While I don't really disagree on moving to a 3-4 defensive front with Parsons on the roster, I have absolutely no confidence that the above part of you post will happen.

We wasted a 8+ years of DeMarcus Ware's career having play across the likes of:

Scott Fujita

Who was never a passrushing threat (Less than 5 sacks every year in his career)

Greg Ellis

A converted DE that had arguably his best years as an 3-4 OLB, even though he was no where near the athlete needed at the position

Anthony Spencer

Nicknamed "Almost" Anthony Spencer for a reason

George Selvie (4-3 DE)

A career backup that registered a whopping 10 sacks in 2 years with the Cowboys

And was "protected" by

LaRoi Glover

A borderline HOF caliber player who was VASTLY undersized for the NT position

Jason Ferguson

Had the size, but at his age and NFL wear and tear by the time we signed him, he was hardly spectacular as a Cowboy

Jay Ratliff

The prototypical undersized "1-Gap Nose Tackle", arguably the most oxymoronic position description in NFL history

If, and that's a BIG IF, the Cowboys learned and are willing to get another great Passrushing OLB and a NT that needs to be double teamed on nearly every play, then I'm with you.

Unfortunately, history has shown this to be highly unlikely.

Ferguson got injured very early on if I remember. Spencer just didn't quite work out did he. Good points

SixFiveCowboy · Feb 9, 2022

Majic said:
Yes I know we play nickel most of the time, but I think going forward we need to be thinking how we can build the DEF around Parsons. To me, he primarily needs to line up as an OLB in a 3-4 scheme and that is the scheme we need for the next 10 years. I would like to see priority given to drafting an OLB on the other side along with a true Nose Tackle. I am assuming D-Law will not be back and if he does I don't have a lot of confidence he can hold up for a full season. Either way I am not holding back Parsons.

My question is what would the PATS do with someone like Parsons? they would build around him in a scheme best suited to his talents. His best skill his rushing the passer.

Urban (I would bring him back on a cheap deal), Basham come from this scheme and I want players signed who can slot in.

Other teams are now switching to the 3-4 (Raiders, Vikings) so it is very popular now and I know we are a hybrid DEF. But I think primarily we should be building a 3-4.

It took us literally 8 years to properly switch back from the 34 to the 4-3 and your plan is now it's time to blow all that up and switch back because of Parson who is really a MLB by trade? Yeah I am thinking that's a negative.

baltcowboy · Feb 10, 2022

Cowboyny said:
Yeah, Linderbaum's size worries me.

Don’t know much about the Cowboys insider Bobby Belt but he says the Cowboys were really watching the Northern Iowa tackle. I think the Cowboys might want to go back to the bully offensive line. Something to keep an eye on.

Lifetimeboyzfan · Feb 10, 2022

I believe I’ll stick with DQs ideas vs some random dude on the web.

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