Why would Sean Payton want to come here?

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I don't think he needs an elite online, but he definitely, like pretty much any QB, needs a competent one that isn't committing loads of penalties. I just broke down she penalties that were committed a few posts ago. That isn't going to win you games no matter who your QB is. I think the biggest thing that will help is if our line will stop with the bloody penalties. I think the defence will be fine, especially if we can add one more pass rusher in the draft. However, the biggest thing is oline. I don't think comparing Dak to Hundley is fair. I'd say he's closer to a Randall Cunningham or a Donovan McNabb, which is who he was compared to in the draft. As someone who grew up in a family of Eagles fans and somehow became a Cowboys fan and a diehard one at that and my first memories of the Cowboys-Eagles rivalry was McNabb owning us, I am fine with having a McNabb or a Randall Cunningham. You can go far with them. We should do for him what Philly did with McNabb early in his career and what the Vikings did with Cunningham. Let him use his legs to run the ball more, and quick throws are always a good choice for him. He's capable of the deep ball too, but use his legs like Philly used McNabb's legs. McNabb was less effective when he wasn't running as much. The same goes for Dak.
I'm not an Eagles fan but both Randall and Donovan were better than dak. The offensive line has to hold because they know it takes dak forever to find anybody because of his slow processing skills. They can tell by how the game is going how long they have to hold their blocks because of his slow reads. sad but true.
 

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I'm not an Eagles fan but both Randall and Donovan were better than dak. The offensive line has to hold because they know it takes dak forever to find anybody because of his slow processing skills. sad but true.

Not from what I remember McNabb would hold on to the ball for a long time as I remember. Part of what made McNabb good was he would run. We need Dak to do that more.
 

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Not from what I remember McNabb would hold on to the ball for a long time as I remember. Part of what made McNabb good was he would run. We need Dak to do that more.
dak is not a good runner, he's a clumsy lumbering, stiff-legged runner. a pigeon-toed runner who doesn't have a feel for when to run or not to run. sad but true. he has to think run before the play even starts to run, he has no feeling or pocket awareness. another sad truth.
 

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I know the Jones boys are banking on Payton coming here, but after seeing how the FO just completely dismantled a competitive team for NO reason and essentially turning McCarthy into a lame duck coach, why would Sean Payton want to come here and be part of an FO that has no idea what it is doing? We may even lose out on Dan Quinn who see how McCarthy got done and will decide to coach elsewhere.
Maybe because he knows a whole lot more than all the keyboard warriors in here???
 

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dak is not a good runner, he's a clumsy lumbering, stiff-legged runner. a pigeon-toed runner who doesn't have a feel for when to run or not to run. sad but true. he has to think run before the play even starts to run, he has no feeling or pocket awareness. another sad truth.

What are you talking about? Maybe his form isn't great, but he's dangerous when he runs. I wonder if he was told not to run so often tbh because early in his career, he'd run a lot more than he does now. I think he should run more because he has pretty good speed when he runs.
 

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I know the Jones boys are banking on Payton coming here, but after seeing how the FO just completely dismantled a competitive team for NO reason and essentially turning McCarthy into a lame duck coach, why would Sean Payton want to come here and be part of an FO that has no idea what it is doing? We may even lose out on Dan Quinn who see how McCarthy got done and will decide to coach elsewhere.

I don't think Jerry is ready to hand over some of the reigns yet. My guess is that he is hoping MM is successful this year so he doesn't have to court Sean Payton on bended knee next off season. Payton was here when Parcels was coaching and he knows how intrusive and undermining Jerry can unwittingly be. So, Jerry's role would change if he hopes to land Sean Payton. Sean wouldn't accept a job under the current management system which has proven unsuccessful for 26 years running.
 

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What are you talking about? Maybe his form isn't great, but he's dangerous when he runs. I wonder if he was told not to run so often tbh because early in his career, he'd run a lot more than he does now. I think he should run more because he has pretty good speed when he runs.
not really, he's a stiff-legged, lumbering runner that has no pocket awareness and doesn't know when to run.. that's probably in his scouting report. his processing skills are reduced due to pressure and fear. nothing new.
 

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not really, he's a stiff-legged, lumbering runner that has no pocket awareness and doesn't know when to run.. that's probably in his scouting report. his processing skills are reduced due to pressure and fear. nothing new.

In his first couple seasons, he'd run a lot more than he does now. Considering what happened in 2020, my thinking is he was told not to run as much. I think he should probably do that more though because his use of his legs helps freeze the defence.
 

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In his first couple seasons, he'd run a lot more than he does now. Considering what happened in 2020, my thinking is he was told not to run as much. I think he should probably do that more though because his use of his legs helps freeze the defense.
maybe, I think it's from fear too. Seeing your foot hanging on by a thread probably doesn't help any. I do think he has no clue when to run though, it's a misfire in his processing of what he sees.
 

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I know the Jones boys are banking on Payton coming here, but after seeing how the FO just completely dismantled a competitive team for NO reason and essentially turning McCarthy into a lame duck coach, why would Sean Payton want to come here and be part of an FO that has no idea what it is doing? We may even lose out on Dan Quinn who see how McCarthy got done and will decide to coach elsewhere.

Money, Spotlight. Nothing else.

Sporting success can't be found here. No coach with those goals would sing with us.
 

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maybe, I think it's from fear too. Seeing your foot hanging on by a thread probably doesn't help any. I do think he has no clue when to run though, it's a misfire in his processing of what he sees.

I think the "no clue" is where you and I have the key disagreement on. I think he knows, I just think he may have been advised against it in some cases. I certainly don't think he's a walking sack of zombie goo at QB. I think he's an above average QB, and, for now, I think that will do. It's why I wanted him signed the year we franchised him. I think $35 mil is about accurate for him. That said, I think the difference between $5 mil in the grand scheme of things isn't that big of a deal when you consider some of the other deals that were signed such as Zeke. I was fine with the Zeke signing, but it's clear he's not the same back he was. I think Stephen has completely bottled the cap situation. Between having Dak and Parsons, this is a time when the Fo should be swinging for the fences when it comes to defence and areas that we could use help. I think Bobby Wagner should be signed as an example, but the FO seems to not realise that extra help would be nice to have. They can afford it. They just don't want to. That's what it really comes down to.
 

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I think the "no clue" is where you and I have the key disagreement on. I think he knows, I just think he may have been advised against it in some cases. I certainly don't think he's a walking sack of zombie goo at QB. I think he's an above average QB, and, for now, I think that will do. It's why I wanted him signed the year we franchised him. I think $35 mil is about accurate for him. That said, I think the difference between $5 mil in the grand scheme of things isn't that big of a deal when you consider some of the other deals that were signed such as Zeke. I was fine with the Zeke signing, but it's clear he's not the same back he was. I think Stephen has completely bottled the cap situation. Between having Dak and Parsons, this is a time when the Fo should be swinging for the fences when it comes to defence and areas that we could use help. I think Bobby Wagner should be signed as an example, but the FO seems to not realise that extra help would be nice to have. They can afford it. They just don't want to. That's what it really comes down to.
we can agree to disagree. I think his problems are all fear-related and if he never gets over it, he will be the same year after year.

sorry for the thread hijack, now back to the fat sean dream. :D
 

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Why would we give up draft picks for a coach when we ONLY believe in building through the draft? Think Sean wants to come to this toilet, anyway? The real loser is Quinn. If he had any offers from other teams, he should have pounced.
 

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I seriously doubt Sean Payton wants to coach the Dallas Cowboys.

He's wise enough to know that Jerry would be toxic to his success.
 
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If he still really wants to coach (and that could be the case considering he might have just gotten tired of the Saints) then the Cowboys have more appeal than taking over some other team. He already has his ring and a HOF career so there won't be as much pressure on him individually. He has a good relationship with the Jones family and that might be the most important factor. Jerry and Stephen would give him a blank check too...which doesn't hurt
 

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Payton has been here before so he knows what goes on. Parcells probably warned him as well.
 

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First, I have zero idea if Payton is actually interested in coming here but I do know the Cowboys FO has long since regretted letting him get away to New Orleans.


But he does have family including grown children with children in the area.
And he has spent a lot of time in Dallas during the off-season and when he was suspended.
 
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