Dak vs Jimmy G

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The market for quarterbacks is simply way out of wack with their true value. Mahomes' deal hasn't really kicked in as of last year but now we are starting to see the impact (Hill). I bet Rodgers is never going to win big getting paid that much.

The reality is that the best time to win is when you have a very good QB still on the tail end of his rookie deal. . . or you have Brady taking a discount.

Its unfortunate that several years of Dak's cheaper deal were taken up paying off dead money for Romo.
 

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The market for quarterbacks is simply way out of wack with their true value. Mahomes' deal hasn't really kicked in as of last year but now we are starting to see the impact (Hill). I bet Rodgers is never going to win big getting paid that much.

The reality is that the best time to win is when you have a very good QB still on the tail end of his rookie deal. . . or you have Brady taking a discount.

Its unfortunate that several years of Dak's cheaper deal were taken up paying off dead money for Romo.
I don't mind paying a QB market value like if their talents are also market value.

Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Burrow, Herbert.... Those guys are worth whatever they will be paid.

I'm not a fan of paying a QB just because it's "his turn" to be paid. If your skills don't warrant what you want, then I let someone else assume that risk.

The Browns, believe it or not, played it perfect with Mayfield. He has given them more success then basically any QB they've drafted, but he clearly isn't a great QB. They are not willing to settle for that, so they make a deal and get an actual talented QB, and they're getting rid of Baker.

The Rams played it perfect with Goff. Could you imagine the money Jerry would have given Goff if he lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl? The Rams didn't fall for that mirage and upgrade big time at QB and are now champions for it.

If Mayfield or Goff was drafted by the Cowboys and had the exact same career they have had thus far they would have one of the biggest contracts in the NFL right now. You'd also have bozos on here defending their play and pretending they are top 10 every single week.
 

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I think this perfectly shows how ridiculous some Cowboy fans are towards Dak. The idea that someone thinks Jimmy G is better than Dak just screams agenda or lack of Football knowledge about QB play in the NFL and some notion that other QBs are out there not making any mistakes. Same goes for those who were trying to state Dak was a top 3 or 5 QB when he was rolling. It's like many people base their opinions only on emotion and not what they actually see. Dak is what he is. A good QB, not a great QB. Jimmy G is not a good QB at all.
Hmmm, they played each other in a playoff game this past year..remember? Jimmy G had his team ahead 23-7 going into the 4th quarter our QB did nothing all game and then played catch up after the Niners sat back in the 4th
 

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I think this perfectly shows how ridiculous some Cowboy fans are towards Dak. The idea that someone thinks Jimmy G is better than Dak just screams agenda or lack of Football knowledge about QB play in the NFL and some notion that other QBs are out there not making any mistakes. Same goes for those who were trying to state Dak was a top 3 or 5 QB when he was rolling. It's like many people base their opinions only on emotion and not what they actually see. Dak is what he is. A good QB, not a great QB. Jimmy G is not a good QB at all.

QBs are judged by where they lead their teams, not glam stats. Jimmy G has made enough good decisions with the football to lead his team to 3 NFC title games and a super bowl appearance. Dak just lost in the wild card round to Jimmy.
 

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Hmmm, they played each other in a playoff game this past year..remember? Jimmy G had his team ahead 23-7 going into the 4th quarter our QB did nothing all game and then played catch up after the Niners sat back in the 4th
Seriously? That's your criteria? It wasn't Dak vs Jimmy G, it was Dallas vs San Fran. So by your line of thinking Daniel Brunskill is better than Zack Martin too?
 

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I don't mind paying a QB market value like if their talents are also market value.

Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Burrow, Herbert.... Those guys are worth whatever they will be paid.

I'm not a fan of paying a QB just because it's "his turn" to be paid. If your skills don't warrant what you want, then I let someone else assume that risk.

The Browns, believe it or not, played it perfect with Mayfield. He has given them more success then basically any QB they've drafted, but he clearly isn't a great QB. They are not willing to settle for that, so they make a deal and get an actual talented QB, and they're getting rid of Baker.

The Rams played it perfect with Goff. Could you imagine the money Jerry would have given Goff if he lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl? The Rams didn't fall for that mirage and upgrade big time at QB and are now champions for it.

If Mayfield or Goff was drafted by the Cowboys and had the exact same career they have had thus far they would have one of the biggest contracts in the NFL right now. You'd also have bozos on here defending their play and pretending they are top 10 every single week.
Very well said.
 

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Deserves more than a like.

The market for quarterbacks is simply way out of wack with their true value. Mahomes' deal hasn't really kicked in as of last year but now we are starting to see the impact (Hill). I bet Rodgers is never going to win big getting paid that much.

The reality is that the best time to win is when you have a very good QB still on the tail end of his rookie deal. . . or you have Brady taking a discount.

Its unfortunate that several years of Dak's cheaper deal were taken up paying off dead money for Romo.
N drafting Trysten Hill, Jaylon, and a myriad of other strange picks.
 

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Jimmy is a better game managing QB, but Dak is more likely to make plays in the 4th. I'll take Jimmy for qtrs 1-3 and Dak in the 4th. Neither is a complete QB.
 

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Dak but both guys need a lot of great around them to win.


Neither guy wins on their own because they just aren’t capable of it.
Do Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, E. Manning and Brady have multiple rings on other teams?
 

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When you are down anywhere from 13-20 points per game at half time....(happens alot to us with Dak because we are LUCKY he puts up 6-10 points on the board in the 1st half)...then you wind up throwing alot in the 2nd half...and when you are still down those same 13-20 points going into the 4th quarter (because we did nothing on offense in the 3rd quarter) the opposing team lets up a little and you get to put up alot of garbage time stats.....Dak throws so much because he gets nothing done until the game is out of hand (usually by halftime) and he tries to play catch up in the 2nd half
false narrative.

2021, dallas ranked #1 in first half points.
2020, first 5 games first half points 15+, which it would rank 5th in the NFL
2019 dallas was 8th in first half scoring, at 12.9
in 2018 25th, yes we sucked, but we ranked top 5 in second half of the season after Amari cooper trade.

Disclaimer: I am not defending Dak, just dispeling bullshiet.
 

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I don't mind paying a QB market value like if their talents are also market value.

Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Burrow, Herbert.... Those guys are worth whatever they will be paid.

I'm not a fan of paying a QB just because it's "his turn" to be paid. If your skills don't warrant what you want, then I let someone else assume that risk.

The Browns, believe it or not, played it perfect with Mayfield. He has given them more success then basically any QB they've drafted, but he clearly isn't a great QB. They are not willing to settle for that, so they make a deal and get an actual talented QB, and they're getting rid of Baker.

The Rams played it perfect with Goff. Could you imagine the money Jerry would have given Goff if he lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl? The Rams didn't fall for that mirage and upgrade big time at QB and are now champions for it.

If Mayfield or Goff was drafted by the Cowboys and had the exact same career they have had thus far they would have one of the biggest contracts in the NFL right now. You'd also have bozos on here defending their play and pretending they are top 10 every single week.
didn't the rams pay goff one of the largest contracts, he played under that contract for one more (or was it two more) years and then got traded. but yeah, good for Rams for going for it and cashing in. maybe Jerry will learn to be a GM someday.
 

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didn't the rams pay goff one of the largest contracts, he played under that contract for one more (or was it two more) years and then got traded. but yeah, good for Rams for going for it and cashing in. maybe Jerry will learn to be a GM someday.
Goff is QB for life in Dallas if he led us to a Super Bowl like he did the Rams.
 

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How many fans would seriously want a QB who’s never had a 4000 yard season and never threw for more than 27 TDs in a season

That isn't what he was asked to do in SF. They win by running, short passes & playing good D.

Whether he could carry a team that relied on him to pass first is a legit question.

Is he a more talented passer? Yes, I think so.

Is he a great decision maker? Especially under pressure? That would seem to be the biggest glitch in his game. It's not the physical that generally separates QB's.
 

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How many fans would seriously want a QB who’s never had a 4000 yard season and never threw for more than 27 TDs in a season and has just undergone shoulder surgery on their throwing shoulder? That’s the QB you would rather have than Dak? Lol
So, you only care about pretty stats at the end of the season, huh?
 

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When you are down anywhere from 13-20 points per game at half time....(happens alot to us with Dak because we are LUCKY he puts up 6-10 points on the board in the 1st half)...then you wind up throwing alot in the 2nd half...and when you are still down those same 13-20 points going into the 4th quarter (because we did nothing on offense in the 3rd quarter) the opposing team lets up a little and you get to put up alot of garbage time stats.....Dak throws so much because he gets nothing done until the game is out of hand (usually by halftime) and he tries to play catch up in the 2nd half

You must be watching a different team because we’re not down by 13-20 a lot with Dak. We had the highest scoring team in the league last season with him. He has to throw a lot with no running game and a defense that gave up more 25 yard plus plays than any team in the league in 2021.
 

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That isn't what he was asked to do in SF. They win by running, short passes & playing good D.

Whether he could carry a team that relied on him to pass first is a legit question.

Is he a more talented passer? Yes, I think so.

Is he a great decision maker? Especially under pressure? That would seem to be the biggest glitch in his game. It's not the physical that generally separates QB's.

Jimmy G isn’t a more talented passer which is why he doesn’t put up the numbers and gets in trouble when he has to throw a lot. You have to keep his passing attempts down or he’ll get you beat.
 

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So, you only care about pretty stats at the end of the season, huh?

The facts are productive QBs keep your offense on the field and lead to points. The Rams gave up a lot to trade for Matt Stafford because he’s productive. The Browns are moving on from Baker Mayfield because he isn’t productive. Derek Carr just signed a big contract extension because he’s productive. QBs that aren’t productive are bouncing around the league and end up as backups. QBs that are productive are making 40+ million per season.
 
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