Dallas Cowboys’ Kelvin Joseph is a person of interest in Dallas murder investigation

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RonnieT24 said:
Agree.. but since the shooting occurred in the wee hours I guess it's possible that the release took place later on the same day? But they likely didn't know anyone had actually died by then anyway.
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Well the murder took place at 2:00 a.m. so sometime either between 12-2 am he posted his new song or sometime between 2:00 am through 12 PM he posted it. It was posted on March 18th sometime in that 24 hour period. The reason why I feel it's relevant is going about life as if nothing happened is starting to lean towards the psychopath mental health area. If a mentally stable person just got into a fight and then was in the car while 2 people riding in the car shot up the block then he would go home and lay low. A mentally stable person would not want to bring any attention to himself. A psychopath has no remorse or concern for their actions and shooting up the block and driving away is as normal to that person as me going to a movie then going home and posting a YouTube video. There's nothing definite you can draw from him releasing/posting a new song but it doesn't look good IMO.
 
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Pass2Run said:
You're not digging hard enough on YT.

There's a lot more than that.

Search under YKDV (You Know Da Vibe), and you'll start to see what's going on.

He's hanging around trash leaches.

I wonder who the trigger man was?? Maybe the guy in the red shirt?

Yep. All I had to do was watch TKDV on YouTube to see these clowns leaching on his fame and talent, as if their own.

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Yeah I'll check that out. I don't spend too much time looking at his music.
 
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Goodell is reactive to public opinion. That Rice video changed everything.

Brown didn't have the video to register the strong reaction for people but he was a multiple offender and textbook spouse abuser.

I think the error in our thinking is that Goodell makes these calls in a vacuum and I don't think it works that way. He responds to recommendations from others, partly to give the NFLPA a wider range of targets. I do think he was going to take his investigator's recommendation on Elliott until than panel came back 4-0 and how could he ignore that once that was made public?

And one thing Goodell always has to consider is this isn't about the fans at all. It's about all the others that don't like a bunch of billionaires paying millionaires to play a game.

I think the whole conduct detrimental is bogus. Let the legal system deal with it. Don't go to jail, suit up. Let the individual teams decide what is conduct detrimental.

In defense of Booger sliding a little on this, he keeps Brent, signs Pacman and Hardy, drafts Gregory and Joseph and they still buy tickets and watch the team on TV.

The real question I have is just how much do people care about what that person is like inside their uniform? They still cheer players like Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon.
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Just as bad - no - worse how the commissioner office /Goodell mishandles -has no consistency regarding player misconduct....hiw about the double standard \ non-action regarding the owners' illegal actions.

Colts Jim Irsay being fined $500K and SUSPENDED (!!!!) 6 GAMES - for a DWI and possession of controlled substances = drugs /medication not prescribed to him.
GMs do not play football --how about taking away a first or second round draft choice?

And Daniel Snyder --- he basically has accumulated a rap sheet dating back two decades --from sexual misconduct in the workplace /assaults by him, his subordinates, associates, and cronies -- to financial fraud (withholding fan ticket deposits, cheating the league and visiting teams out of ticket revenue), refusing to turn over documents to the NFL regarding other scandals by that franchise.
 
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RonnieT24 said:
Agree.. but since the shooting occurred in the wee hours I guess it's possible that the release took place later on the same day? But they likely didn't know anyone had actually died by then anyway.
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Oh yeah, I guess it's possible the murder happened on the early morning of the day of the release. I was thinking the release happened in the morning or afternoon hours and the murder in the late evening.
 
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Well the murder took place at 2:00 a.m. so sometime either between 12-2 am he posted his new song or sometime between 2:00 am through 12 PM he posted it. It was posted on March 18th sometime in that 24 hour period. The reason why I feel it's relevant is going about life as if nothing happened is starting to lean towards the psychopath mental health area. If a mentally stable person just got into a fight and then was in the car while 2 people riding in the car shot up the block then he would go home and lay low. A mentally stable person would not want to bring any attention to himself. A psychopath has no remorse or concern for their actions and shooting up the block and driving away is as normal to that person as me going to a movie then going home and posting a YouTube video. There's nothing definite you can draw from him releasing/posting a new song but it doesn't look good IMO.
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Did he release it by himself, or does he have an agent or record company that makes those decisions?
 
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Did he release it by himself, or does he have an agent or record company that makes those decisions?
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No clue. It just says March 18th. I'm not sure what his involvement is with record companies or agents. It's possible someone released it for him. Or it's possible he did it himself after the shooting. Either way it's not great timing.
 
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plymkr said:
Well the murder took place at 2:00 a.m. so sometime either between 12-2 am he posted his new song or sometime between 2:00 am through 12 PM he posted it. It was posted on March 18th sometime in that 24 hour period. The reason why I feel it's relevant is going about life as if nothing happened is starting to lean towards the psychopath mental health area. If a mentally stable person just got into a fight and then was in the car while 2 people riding in the car shot up the block then he would go home and lay low. A mentally stable person would not want to bring any attention to himself. A psychopath has no remorse or concern for their actions and shooting up the block and driving away is as normal to that person as me going to a movie then going home and posting a YouTube video. There's nothing definite you can draw from him releasing/posting a new song but it doesn't look good IMO.
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Like I said I don't think they had any knowledge that a person had died from the incident. I sincerely doubt that this was the first time he and his crew have been involved in any late night beef though I suspect it's may be the first time any shots have been fired? All that said, if his mindset was that he thought it was just another stupid beef at the club then it's not out of realm of normalcy for them to just move on with their lives like nothing happened.
 
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Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
I tried to think of one good team that has cut "those type of players" and couldn't.
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That’s because most good teams will not draft those players in the first place. New England and Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh got rid of Antonio Brown because his overall behavior issues made him impossible to keep despite his on field production. Kareem Hunt got released a year after he was drafted despite amazing production his rookie season. I’m sure I could find others if I decided to even do a tiny bit of researching.

KJ’s situation is pretty unique and in another universe considering the magnitude of the crime in question.
 
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That’s because most good teams will not draft those players in the first place. New England and Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh got rid of Antonio Brown because his overall behavior issues made him impossible to keep despite his on field production. Kareem Hunt got released a year after he was drafted despite amazing production his rookie season. I’m sure I could find others if I decided to even do a tiny bit of researching.

KJ’s situation is pretty unique and in another universe considering the magnitude of the crime in question.
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Ummm.. Aaron Hernandez would like a word... Pittsburgh drafted Antonio Brown and Le'veon Bell.. both had known issues coming into the draft which is why despite all world talent both slid into day 2 and 3. And not only did they draft AB but they signed him to a huge second deal.. Tampa Bay drafted Warren "I'm going to have two hookers over to the hotel during the Super Bowl then refuse to pay them for their services.." Sapp. Oh and which team was it that picked up AB two seasons ago? There is absolutely no franchise in the NFL that has not drafted several non-choir boys over the years. Several of them have won Super Bowls with them..
 
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Tyreek Hill was kicked out of Okahoma St for a DV issue and fell to the 5th round.
Frank Clark also had a DV issue and Seattle drafted him right after Randy Gregory. Later traded to the Chiefs. You can just go on and on. There was a post the other day about arrests per team and the Cowboys were middle of the pack.
 
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Tyreek Hill was kicked out of Okahoma St for a DV issue and fell to the 5th round.
Frank Clark also had a DV issue and Seattle drafted him right after Randy Gregory. Later traded to the Chiefs. You can just go on and on. There was a post the other day about arrests per team and the Cowboys were middle of the pack.
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It's a tired meme of Dallas having so many arrests and loving to sign criminals. This is not even close to the case any longer.
 
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Tyreek Hill was kicked out of Okahoma St for a DV issue and fell to the 5th round.
Frank Clark also had a DV issue and Seattle drafted him right after Randy Gregory. Later traded to the Chiefs. You can just go on and on. There was a post the other day about arrests per team and the Cowboys were middle of the pack.
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We have not had any arrest after that so far the streak may end soon though
 
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RonnieT24 said:
Ummm.. Aaron Hernandez would like a word... Pittsburgh drafted Antonio Brown and Le'veon Bell.. both had known issues coming into the draft which is why despite all world talent both slid into day 2 and 3. And not only did they draft AB but they signed him to a huge second deal.. Tampa Bay drafted Warren "I'm going to have two hookers over to the hotel during the Super Bowl then refuse to pay them for their services.." Sapp. Oh and which team was it that picked up AB two seasons ago? There is absolutely no franchise in the NFL that has not drafted several non-choir boys over the years. Several of them have won Super Bowls with them..
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My general point was most good teams either avoid them or do not draft them in premium rounds. If their behavior is unacceptable and causes issues on game day-they get rid of them.
 
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Ummm.. Aaron Hernandez would like a word... Pittsburgh drafted Antonio Brown and Le'veon Bell.. both had known issues coming into the draft which is why despite all world talent both slid into day 2 and 3. And not only did they draft AB but they signed him to a huge second deal.. Tampa Bay drafted Warren "I'm going to have two hookers over to the hotel during the Super Bowl then refuse to pay them for their services.." Sapp. Oh and which team was it that picked up AB two seasons ago? There is absolutely no franchise in the NFL that has not drafted several non-choir boys over the years. Several of them have won Super Bowls with them..
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Lol, did Warren Sapp really have 2 hookers at the super bowl and not pay them. I forgot about that. Speaking of Aaron Hernandez, I was listening to a podcast with 2 Cowboys fans or reporters. I don't know what the real term is for professional podcast talkers. But anyway they said this case is very similar to Aaron Hernandez's case. I personally don't remember much of Aaron's case. But they said Aaron went and cooperated with the investigation and then as the investigation got going Aaron got arrested and the rest is unfortunate history. Using that case as a barometer, what did Hoodie and Kraft do with Aaron? Did they cut him, did they wait for the legal investigation to get done. What was their reaction?
 
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