One thing that is really bugs me about how we handled WR

CowboyoWales · May 1, 2022

Proof said:
this is a somewhat odd and confusing response to my point. i’m saying i’d rather have had talbot replace gallup (at a fraction of the price) than Amari. if their play style is so similar, it makes more sense to me to have an amari and one, instead of two gallups. not to mention gallup is no longer cheap and also coming off of injury. and just as an aside, Dak has proven quite capable of utilizing Amari over the years.

Not last year he didn't. The whole reason is that a fabulous route runner's wasted on Dak (and KM).... look at the percentages he threw to WR3/4 and TE. We are building a Swiss Army knife of a receiving Corp that helps Dak find someone. It also means we can make in play strategic changes based on defensive schemes.

CowboyChris · May 1, 2022

Proof said:
this is a somewhat odd and confusing response to my point. i’m saying i’d rather have had talbot replace gallup (at a fraction of the price) than Amari. if their play style is so similar, it makes more sense to me to have an amari and one, instead of two gallups. not to mention gallup is no longer cheap and also coming off of injury. and just as an aside, Dak has proven quite capable of utilizing Amari over the years.

I get what you’re saying but from what I’ve read about Tolbert is he’s more of a Cooper type than a Gallup

Cmac · May 1, 2022

CowboyChris said:
what bugs me about our WR situation, is what we got for Cooper, I feel like we got fleeced by Cleveland, and most of that has to do with our idiot owner telegraphing our moves.

FO got nothing in return.......and we're supposed to feel confident in the management! Noah Brown on the WR depth chart says a lot.

CowboyRoy · May 1, 2022

manster4ever said:
Damn fine post but I have a feeling that Amari was jettisoned due to turbulence with Dak. AC simply wanted the ball more and more and it would appear the Cowboys bailed on him to avoid any future rocking of the boat. Just my two cents. Doesn't matter now: done deal.

Also, it should be noted AC was nicked up quite a bit too.

LOL.........did you make that up in your head? Cooper is gone because of Lamb and his big salary. Nothing more.

starfan1 · May 1, 2022

Mannix said:
I just hope if we don't loose a promising UDFA WR on waivers because we signed Noah Brown...time to start churning the roster and get rid of ALL the do nothings.

I don’t care for brown but his blocking and special teams play will keep him in mix

Whyjerry · May 1, 2022

The biggest issue is wasting cap space on Cooper only to give him away for nothing shortly thereafter. Should have franchised Cooper.

sunalsorises · May 1, 2022

For whatever reason Cooper did not work in Oakland/Vegas. For whatever reason Cooper did not work in Dallas. Let’s see if for whatever reason he doesn’t work in Cleveland. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern.

MarionBarberThe4th · May 1, 2022

Parcells4Life said:
The FO was supposedly furious about his COVID situation. Between him, Collins and Gregory, any player that cost themselves chances to be on the field in circumstances they could control got them kicked off. They want players who will sell their soul to win

That’s a bit much

MarionBarberThe4th · May 1, 2022

sunalsorises said:
For whatever reason Cooper did not work in Oakland/Vegas. For whatever reason Cooper did not work in Dallas. Let’s see if for whatever reason he doesn’t work in Cleveland. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern.

That’s silly logic. Odell Beckham junior just won the chip and I always said he was a losing unfocused player. Randy moss was in the two top scoring offenses of all time. He never won a chip.

Footballs not about stats as much as it’s about spacing and mismatches. Amari was a mismatch for pretty much every corner. We took advantage of it. And when he got hurt or slowed down our offense seemed to sputter. Him and zeke both.
We don’t have an advantage at qb

xwalker · May 1, 2022

Proof said:
Considering Jalens closest comp is Gallup, it’s even more disappointing to me that they kicked Amari to the curb and re-signed Gallup after his injury, while drafting his clone.

Personally i’d much rather have Amari at his (restructured) salary alongside the Gallup replacement draft pick

The Cowboys concluded after the 2021 season that the team was too soft and lacked intensity.
- Cooper is a finesse player.
- The Cowboys decided they need 'in your face' players like Mike Irvin.
- That's the reason Cooper is gone.
- They would have tolerated the lack of intensity if his salary was less, but for 20M they were tired of his casual approach to games.

xwalker · May 1, 2022

CowboyChris said:
what bugs me about our WR situation, is what we got for Cooper, I feel like we got fleeced by Cleveland, and most of that has to do with our idiot owner telegraphing our moves.

His salary limited what them would give up in a trade.
- Teams that were going to spend 20M per on a WR, had already signed free agents.

xwalker · May 1, 2022

nalam said:
Looked like going through the motions but not giving all he got.

This.

visionary · May 1, 2022

RS12 said:
I dont think you get it. Money aside, between the Covid fiasco and then calling out the QB, in Jerry's mind Amare had to go.

this is the bottom line
our leader QB was called out and couldn’t handle it
Add in that he wasn’t full speed all the time and missed games due to COVID

sunalsorises · May 1, 2022

MarionBarberThe4th said:
That’s silly logic. Odell Beckham junior just won the chip and I always said he was a losing unfocused player. Randy moss was in the two top scoring offenses of all time. He never won a chip.

Footballs not about stats as much as it’s about spacing and mismatches. Amari was a mismatch for pretty much every corner. We took advantage of it. And when he got hurt or slowed down our offense seemed to sputter. Him and zeke both.
We don’t have an advantage at qb

Yes and no. Cooper is a good player who didn’t work out with two teams now. Beckham didn’t quite work out with two teams and now he is a free agent hoping to sign with his fourth team because the Tams don’t seem interested. Randy Moss never got another opportunity after bouncing around and retired on the younger side. My point is it is hard to blame the teams once it seems like there is a pattern regardless of how good the player is. Terrell Owens got a ton of chances even though he clearly looked like the problem at all of his stops.

xwalker · May 1, 2022

VACowboy said:
Who says Tolbert is a Gallup clone??? Tolbert is a route technician. His game has a lot more similarities to Cooper's than Gallup's.

Gallup was top 2 with regards to route-runners in his draft.

The top 3 route runners in that draft were Calvin Ridley, Michael Gallup and Cedrick Wilson.

xwalker · May 1, 2022

nalam said:
Lets assume that you are right , if he made big plays when mattered ( 2021) , he should be worth more than 5th round ( exchange pick) even when the owner telegraphed they are going to cut him . Please tell me why it isn’t so ?

The concept that other teams knew the Cowboys intentions and that caused Cooper's trade value to decline is silly.

That would mean that other teams that needed a WR let Cleveland get Cooper for a 5th because Jerry or Stephen had blabbed too much.
- Why would other teams let Cleveland get Cooper for a 5th just because those other teams knew the Cowboys wanted to dump him.
- How does that help those other teams????

conner01 · May 1, 2022

Proof said:
Considering Jalens closest comp is Gallup, it’s even more disappointing to me that they kicked Amari to the curb and re-signed Gallup after his injury, while drafting his clone.

Personally i’d much rather have Amari at his (restructured) salary alongside the Gallup replacement draft pick

Big difference in the prices, ages and attitudes
Fans talk about changing the culture but you can’t change the culture without changing the people
Lamb can do pretty much what cooper did
Washington has some potential to fit well in this system
And next year we should be looking WR again
At the price of a WR on a second contract you need to draft one every year and keep churning them
Let other teams buy WR’s and you develop them

conner01 · May 1, 2022

xwalker said:
The concept that other teams knew the Cowboys intentions and that caused Cooper's trade value to decline is silly.

That would mean that other teams that needed a WR let Cleveland get Cooper for a 5th because Jerry or Stephen had blabbed too much.
- Why would other teams let Cleveland get Cooper for a 5th just because those other teams knew the Cowboys wanted to dump him.
- How does that help those other teams????

Coopers contract was the biggest reason he didn’t bring much. He also stays dinged up and has a little attitude
He can disappear in games and doesn’t always show effort when he’s not the target
His talk of wanting the ball more didn’t help his value either since he actually got a fair amount of targets and the only way to get him more would be forcing it to him

nightrain · May 1, 2022

The Cowboys need to get away from the vertical passing game and deploy more of a west coast style of offense. With all the assets at the WR position and a franchise QB, they still sputtered on offense. Just run the damn ball.

Kingofholland · May 1, 2022

Proof said:
Considering Jalens closest comp is Gallup, it’s even more disappointing to me that they kicked Amari to the curb and re-signed Gallup after his injury, while drafting his clone.

Personally i’d much rather have Amari at his (restructured) salary alongside the Gallup replacement draft pick

The drafting of Tolbert doesn't make me feel differently about the Cooper situation. I don't mind moving on but the fact they got nothing for him is what makes me dissapointed. I'm excited for Tolbert and having 2 players that can make contested catches down the field is a good thing.

Now the Cowboys should go look for a slot receiver.

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